The press has been playing this thing off like Prince is saying he wished he'd hadn't been the rude boy in the past.

However, I see it as Prince being egotistical. He is saying that he already did everything that was good and raunchy and he is over it. So anyone else who's gonna try to be dirty nowadays is simply unoriginal and not as good at being bad as he was anyway.

Yes,he's just saying he did it and he's Over it. He's happy being More Low-Key. But he should Realize that Not EVERYONE wants to Change or That Not Everyone at His age or YOUNGER is Gonna Stop Partying or SExing or even doing SEXUAL Things to TITILATE. I Think it's All in good Fun.Ya Cannot get rid of SEX. The Rappers ARE Very Sexually Graphic. The Young Audience meaning TEENs want this. If Prince Worries about CHILDREN this means PRE-TEEN well I Can Understand but TEENAGERS Basically Want to See all those Dating Shows and Wanna Party and Drink and get Wild . That's College and Teen Spirit ya Know..Spring Break.

And I agree with him on that. How much longer could Prince stay dirty? Now I'm not going to act like I wouldn't want to hear Erotic City or Gett Off but I totally get his point about him not doing those songs anymore and I respect that. Besides, some of his biggest songs weren't dirty. In the end, it's all good

yeah he's still a freak

its like he is almost saying, if i could i would still be talking about how i can...well u know but he isn't because he's thinking of those hormone raging rugrat teenagers.

if it wasn't 4 them, prince's music would still be sexually driven.
[This message was edited Fri May 7 9:50:33 2004 by missfee]

skywalker said:

think any deeper and you'll fall through to china.

skywalker said:

You're putting words in his mouth. He never said no one could be as good at being as bad as he was. He just said it's unoriginal now to be so raunchy. I agree with that. Everyone has something nasty to say and it is getting very old.

wyld1 said:

yeah i agree with this statement....but also there is a flip side to it. P said that he thought that with today's music everybody is trying to shock, but why shock when everybody has seen all there is to see and then he talks about how talented he thinks Beyonce is. Correct me if i'm wrong, but everytime i see her, the more clothes fall off her bootylicious body. I would say he would be talking about her 2 but hey thats my opinion.

Truly he still does Controversy. He Still is Sexual and Explicit but in a Subdued way. He's Not as Wild . He's more Tame in his Approach. Prince Could get any Tail if he wanted to. And I don't Think Age of a woman matters much. Look at the CNN woman. He was Attracted. It is just he is Not like he was 10 years ago. I would say he went through a sort of REHAB with his Self. As long as he Stays with Manuela he will NEVER go back to the OLd Prince. I do gotta Say that Maybe he's Healthier this Way.

I'm pretty sure I've heard Prince condemn singers for being too graphic and overtly sexual.

That would suggest he's frowning on his past use of such antics.


Also, the fact that he refuses to do his older explicit songs unless he changes lyrics ... suggest ssome negation of his past.

I always think his comment that he pushed the envelope off the table and its on the floor so there's no where else to go is so insultingly superficial. I thought he made the past explicit music as an expression of his openness to sexuality and passion ... as a celebration of spirituality and God and the search of how the two will intertwine .... at least that what he told me when I was coming of age and sharing the same beliefs....

Now he's acting like he was simply stunting and 'pushing the envelope' ... what?! ... he's reneging on me and invalidating the abandon/philosophy we shared together. That's sucks. Those were valid times ... those songs were valid exploratory art that affected people's lives.

He stands where he stands now because of the ground laid in the past. He should speak no regrets and confidently embrace his whole spectrum of growth. Erotic City, Darling Nikki ... all that past has informed the present. You can't detach yourself from the past. And he shouldn't have to. I'm tired of him constantly degrading the lyrics or songs that brought the majority of his longtime fans to him.

I want to hear Head in concert dagnammit!

Prince just said in a recent interview that he doesn't regret his raunchy past. He said "I was a young man". You must remember also, that the dirtiness wasn't all he had to offer. That wasn't all he was about, even back then. That's just what was focused on by others. Now people wanna focus on the lack of it. It's been 25 years, and he's still trying to get everybody to focus on the frickin' message.

OdysseyMiles said:

Yeah, but there were messages in his sexual-spiritual songs too... and they were a big part of his musicality, image, and stage presence.

All his songs, serious and reckless, fit together in a nice puzzle that psychologists and admirers could spend years studying.

I'm just saying I don't want any puzzle pieces removed.
Add more, mature pieces yes, but don't destroy and banish the old pieces.

Incidentally , he seems to have abandoned a lot of great message songs ... about multiculturalism, freedom, and individuality ... to sing about following rules and the Bible. So, if he's trying to get people to listen to a message ... it seems a different message now.


I haven't heard the interview where he said he had no regrets since he was a young man. I've only heard people refer to that comment here. if true ...

I know I did some things when I was young that i wouldn't do now ... but I do reminisce with friends sometimes and chuckle ... so maybe he can revive those songs in that sense ... also ... it grates that he would dismiss his sexual songs as a youthful frivolity .... I thought they were more profound than that ... sex is human ... discovering it is part of your awakening as a human being ... age doesn't have to equal inhibition...

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Far out Dansa. Do you reckon there are people falling right through to China? Wouldn't China be complaining by now. You outta think deeper!

SynthiaRose said:

Looking to rock stars to validate "shared beliefs" is rarely a good idea. Prince has simply moved on and to some extent is saying that he no longer wants to do some of the things he did 20 years ago. For someone who now gets criticized for relying on his past too much, you'd think that would be a good thing.Should he be forced to embrace a viewpoint that may have affected peoples lives even if he no longer holds that viewpoint? I'd rather the guy be true to himself where he is now.

I agree that you can't really detach yourself from your past, but that doesn't mean you can't grow. If Prince has grown in a different direction than some of his fans, we'll that's just his journey. They'll just have to deal with it.



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[This message was edited Fri May 7 10:51:11 2004 by Universaluv]

wyld1 said:

He said there is no envelope to push anymore because he pushed off the table it onto the floor.So what does that mean to you?

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Hey maybe you are right and we should just keep the coversation about how hot Prince looks, what hairstyle he wears best, and how he should do ads for maybelline.
[This message was edited Fri May 7 10:56:58 2004 by skywalker]

skywalker said:

helluva lot better than puttin words in the mouths of others, innit?

Universaluv said:

Well "validate beliefs" is not an accurate description of what i want. I am looking for him to continue to share beliefs we once had in common. ... so he won't seem like a hypocrite.

Growth doesn't mean you have to negate the past. If you stand secure in every decision you make, you don't have to regret anything as you grow. You recognize the beliefs you had in every phase of life were valid for that time and should be respected as such.

I'm looking for him to continue to validate his past work ... not my beliefs.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

I'd agree, but I haven't put words in anyone's mouth. If you think I did, let me know why.
[This message was edited Fri May 7 11:52:41 2004 by skywalker]

skywalker said:

you said:

...which ain't what he's sayin at all. not even close. he's not the only person in the music biz who has had freaky notions in their songs n'such. his name might be one someone would think of right away if they were asked, "who sang some freaky sex shit back in the day?" but overall? not in the least. there is always someone or somethin out there that is freakier than the freakiest freak.

SynthiaRose said:

Well sometimes growth allows you to change your mind about views you once held. What may have been right for you 20 years ago may no longer apply to how you feel now. Prince is human. I defy you to find anyone who's lived 45 years on this planet who hasn't at some point held views which they later revise, change, or even completely disavow. Which sometimes means that you may have to be seen as a hypocrite to really be true to yourself as you change. That's just life.

Personally, I'd hate to be 25 years old and locked into a view of the world that I have to hold for the rest of my life.

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[This message was edited Fri May 7 13:19:45 2004 by Universaluv]

Universaluv said:

co-sign.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

lmao...but u know what though? he kinda has a point...Prince COULD be saying that from an egotistical POV...oh here I go again

Universaluv said:

exactly....that's also a huge part of parenthood (although you wouldn't know it these days, but that's another thread)

ideally though, parents are SUPPOSED to tell their children not to get mixed up into the shit they did when they were young, because they lived it and therefore they know better.

Universaluv said:

YEAH

HOW MANY FORTY FIVE YOU KNOW

WHO WEAR THONG AND OVERCOAT TO WORK!

Well, since statements are being misinterpreted, just thought I'd quote myself below.

Growth, evolution are all a part of life. But life is not segmented ... it's one cohesive fabric.

No where have I suggested he shouldn't grow. I am suggesting he should approve of the past and present ... hence my puzzle analogy..

My statements clearly convey my views ... although some want to make this an argument about saying Prince shouldn't grow and change.

My assertion here is that all growth and change is built on the past (subsurface) which supports the person you continue to become and should be revered/embraced because of it. You can't erode your subsurface and expect a building to stand.

There can be some harmony and congruence over years of changes/segues. Unless a part of your life was completely fake and ingenuine.

If anyone disagrees, that's to be expected. But don't suggest my view is for Prince to not grow and change. I have a completely different argument...


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SynthiaRose said:

and

SynthiaRose said:

and SynthiaRose said:[quote Well "validate beliefs" is not an accurate description of what i want. I am looking for him to continue to share beliefs we once had in common. ... so he won't seem like a hypocrite.

Growth doesn't mean you have to negate the past. If you stand secure in every decision you make, you don't have to regret anything as you grow. You recognize the beliefs you had in every phase of life were valid for that time and should be respected as such.

I'm looking for him to continue to validate his past work ... not my beliefs. [/quote]

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

At first I thought that maybe he was being hypocritical, but he also claims that he was irresponsible back in the day by not considering the kids. He said that he's trying to be more responsible today. I applaud him for saying that because I almost began to think he was becoming too sanctimonious. I'm glad that he stated that it's everyone's responsibility, including himself.

Prince: "It was a different time, a different place, and I was different then"

laylow03 said:

imo, the cat shouldn't even think in that aspect...

The bottom line is this:

It seems as though P is frustrated with all the no-talent acts out here. He seems to be emphasizing art over sex shock. I don't think he necessarily believes that being sexy is wrong. It's being sexy WITHOUT having the talent to back it up that is infuriating to him. Again, I first thought he was being hypocritical and self-righteous but we all should know that the media doesn't report EVERYTHING that he says. Yes, he did say that he pushed the envelope, but read further...he also said that he too won't play his sexy songs because he has a responsibility to the kids now.

On the BET "Words and Music" special, the interview pleaded with him to play Erotic City and Head. When P refused, the guy asked him why. P said because those songs were irresponsible and 13 year olds are coming to see him play. Then the interviewer asked him why he seems to reject those songs. P said something to the fact that it's not that he doesn't like those songs; the reason he doesn't play them is that he felt that those songs don't reflect who he is now. Therefore, it seems like P is taking on some of the responsibility by simply not playing the songs.

Will I miss them? Hell yes I'll miss the songs, but I understand fully where he's coming from...

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Normally I'd agree with that, cause usually you would just assume that a Prince show meant that there might be some risque stuff going on. However, when Prince goes on The Tonight Show and says "bring the family, bring the kids, it'll be cool" then he has taken on a responsibility not to break out the Head/Sister/Erotic City medley.