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cryndove

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Musicology hold @ #3 in Billboard 200

Despite a 3.5% sales increase to 261,000 copies, Usher's "Confessions" falls to No. 2 behind "D12 World." Prince's "Musicology" (Columbia) holds its place at No. 3, on a 10% decrease to sales of 170,000 copies in its second week. Mario Winans drops three spots to No. 5 on a 44% dip to 124,000 copies of his Bad Boy debut "Hurt No More."

http://www.billboard.com/...1000502978

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Reply #1 posted 05/05/04 12:51pm

shygirl

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It's already been said many times, many ways, but I gotta say it again: PRINCE IS A GENIUS!!!!!
Congrats again to Prince. dancing jig
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Reply #2 posted 05/05/04 1:14pm

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Mario fell 44%! Ha!
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Reply #3 posted 05/05/04 1:25pm

skywalker

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Hey guys who am I pretending to be?

" Number 3 huh? Too bad the album sux. Not innovative, blah blah blah!"

Again, congrats to Prince and all the purple hippies who hopped on the paisley bandwagon and never jumped off.
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Reply #4 posted 05/05/04 1:59pm

Rhondab

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Mario fell 44%! Ha!



most do fall that much after the first week.....no surprise really...
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Reply #5 posted 05/05/04 2:07pm

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GO PRINCE!!! GO PRINCE!!! Awesome news.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #6 posted 05/05/04 2:56pm

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Is 170,000 the total sales or just for the 2nd week?
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Reply #7 posted 05/05/04 3:30pm

mkdagrizzley

skywalker said:

Hey guys who am I pretending to be?

" Number 3 huh? Too bad the album sux. Not innovative, blah blah blah!"

Again, congrats to Prince and all the purple hippies who hopped on the paisley bandwagon and never jumped off.

clapping hah! hah! lol
THIS IS NOT MUSIC, THIS IS A TRIP!
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Reply #8 posted 05/05/04 4:08pm

lezenith

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divo02 said:

Is 170,000 the total sales or just for the 2nd week?

191,000 first week, + 170,000 this week!!!!
congratulations Mr.Prince clapping clapping clapping
lol lol lol
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Reply #9 posted 05/05/04 4:11pm

lovemachine

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Not hating but 5 concerts at 15,000 a night probably helps quite a bit.
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Reply #10 posted 05/05/04 4:25pm

bkw

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lovemachine said:

Not hating but 5 concerts at 15,000 a night probably helps quite a bit.

He would have been at #5 without those.

Still seems pretty good. smile
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Reply #11 posted 05/05/04 4:39pm

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bkw said:

lovemachine said:

Not hating but 5 concerts at 15,000 a night probably helps quite a bit.

He would have been at #5 without those.

Still seems pretty good. smile



Yeah I agree it's good but I am of the opinion that the give-aways don't belong on the charts because people are only paying an alleged $5 for the disc and they have no choice.
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Reply #12 posted 05/05/04 5:00pm

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skywalker said:

Hey guys who am I pretending to be?

" Number 3 huh? Too bad the album sux. Not innovative, blah blah blah!"

Again, congrats to Prince and all the purple hippies who hopped on the paisley bandwagon and never jumped off.

falloff lol lol
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Reply #13 posted 05/05/04 5:21pm

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Reply #14 posted 05/05/04 5:40pm

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lovemachine said:


Yeah I agree it's good but I am of the opinion that the give-aways don't belong on the charts because people are only paying an alleged $5 for the disc and they have no choice.


Sure they have a choice. They can choose not to go to the concert. What I don't understand is why someone would want to see a Prince concert, yet be upset that he's charting well. Prince could have had no idea how much success his album would have had, so he figures since fans who come to see him don't buy albums as much as kids do, he'll give them a free cd.

The concert prices are in line with what they would have been without the giveaway and it sure doesn't seem to be keeping people from going to the concert.

So what we're really talking about is a really great promotion. It's called "buy one, get one free" and it's as old as the act of selling.
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Reply #15 posted 05/05/04 5:58pm

lovemachine

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MarcelJ said:

lovemachine said:


Yeah I agree it's good but I am of the opinion that the give-aways don't belong on the charts because people are only paying an alleged $5 for the disc and they have no choice.


Sure they have a choice. They can choose not to go to the concert. What I don't understand is why someone would want to see a Prince concert, yet be upset that he's charting well. Prince could have had no idea how much success his album would have had, so he figures since fans who come to see him don't buy albums as much as kids do, he'll give them a free cd.

The concert prices are in line with what they would have been without the giveaway and it sure doesn't seem to be keeping people from going to the concert.

So what we're really talking about is a really great promotion. It's called "buy one, get one free" and it's as old as the act of selling.



I just think it's opening a door that shouldn't be opened. If Bruce Springsteen had done that for the Rising tour he would have had an additional 3.2 million sales. Artists who play stadiums would put up huge numbers. The Rolling Stones...damn they would have the number one record each year they toured. Plus as some have suggested what if someone signs a deal with McDonalds and they give away a copy with each meal sold.

A cd doesn't cost much to produce and it's a very cheap way for Prince and other artists to juice their numbers. What you say about promotion is true, but promotional copies aren't supposed to count.
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Reply #16 posted 05/05/04 6:30pm

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I agree that it is dumb that the count the concert CDs in there, but I'm glad that they are doing it for Prince because it will make him look more successful and lead to him selling even more albums.
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Reply #17 posted 05/05/04 6:33pm

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VinnyM27 said:

Mario fell 44%! Ha!

hah!
I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #18 posted 05/05/04 7:23pm

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RupertZ said:

I agree that it is dumb that the count the concert CDs in there, but I'm glad that they are doing it for Prince because it will make him look more successful and lead to him selling even more albums.


Pretty good for something dumb, eh?
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Reply #19 posted 05/05/04 7:47pm

Mazerati

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lovemachine said:

MarcelJ said:



Sure they have a choice. They can choose not to go to the concert. What I don't understand is why someone would want to see a Prince concert, yet be upset that he's charting well. Prince could have had no idea how much success his album would have had, so he figures since fans who come to see him don't buy albums as much as kids do, he'll give them a free cd.

The concert prices are in line with what they would have been without the giveaway and it sure doesn't seem to be keeping people from going to the concert.

So what we're really talking about is a really great promotion. It's called "buy one, get one free" and it's as old as the act of selling.



I Plus as some have suggested what if someone signs a deal with McDonalds and they give away a copy with each meal sold.

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when people say that it makes me cringe..the cd is counted because it is givin out at a concert not a freakin Mcdonalds not a burger king..etc...there is no way Soundscan would count cd's at places that don't involve music..there is no way they would count a cd with a happy meal eek
[This message was edited Wed May 5 19:51:27 2004 by Mazerati]
Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3
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Reply #20 posted 05/05/04 11:09pm

poetbear68

Musicology didn't lose any ground?! HAPPY DANCE, HAPPY DANCE! smile lol razz lol smile

I just listend to the album a couple times, and there's something about this album. Well, two somethings. First, this was how I felt when I listened to 1999 - like I could memorize every note and every nuance of the songs easily. Second, it's very interesting to see Prince meld his NPG sound with his older Revolution type mood - it creates a whole new sound field for Prince to explore, that should keep his listeners very happy.

Eric
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Reply #21 posted 05/05/04 11:14pm

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I just think it's opening a door that shouldn't be opened. If Bruce Springsteen had done that for the Rising tour he would have had an additional 3.2 million sales. Artists who play stadiums would put up huge numbers. The Rolling Stones...damn they would have the number one record each year they toured. Plus as some have suggested what if someone signs a deal with McDonalds and they give away a copy with each meal sold.

Ummm, like - YEAH! That's the whole point. Between The Rolling Stones and Britney Spears, who do YOU want to see at the top of the charts? The young punks need to pay homage, and remember that there's grown folks handlin' thangs today!

Too bad this idea didn't come up before. Albums like The Rainbow Children and The Gold Experience, deserved to be on the top half of the charts (I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE ELSE SAYS!), and this woulda helped them.
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Reply #22 posted 05/06/04 3:52am

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Actually, anyone who thinks Soundscan/Billboard is fair reflection of what happens at the customer level is out of his/her mind. Like worrying about corrupting the morals of a two-bit pimp.
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Reply #23 posted 05/06/04 4:01am

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poetbear68 said:

I just think it's opening a door that shouldn't be opened. If Bruce Springsteen had done that for the Rising tour he would have had an additional 3.2 million sales. Artists who play stadiums would put up huge numbers. The Rolling Stones...damn they would have the number one record each year they toured. Plus as some have suggested what if someone signs a deal with McDonalds and they give away a copy with each meal sold.

Ummm, like - YEAH! That's the whole point. Between The Rolling Stones and Britney Spears, who do YOU want to see at the top of the charts? The young punks need to pay homage, and remember that there's grown folks handlin' thangs today!

Too bad this idea didn't come up before. Albums like The Rainbow Children and The Gold Experience, deserved to be on the top half of the charts (I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE ELSE SAYS!), and this woulda helped them.


i'm wit'cha poet...charts are supposed to show the amount of orders from the label (distributor) to retail (tower, virgin, itunes, barnes & nobles, why not ticketmaster...etc.)
at least prince is proving you dont have to spend a million bucks on radio promotion to sell records, like everyone else on the charts!Genius....just WATCH others acts jump on the bandwagon... cool
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Reply #24 posted 05/06/04 4:59am

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poetbear68 said:

Plus as some have suggested what if someone signs a deal with McDonalds and they give away a copy with each meal sold.


This issue has already come up...back in '94-'95 McDonalds sold an exclusive Garth Brooks album. It sold over a million copies but was ruled ineligible to chart on Billboard. So there's no worry about the practice getting out of hand.
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Reply #25 posted 05/06/04 5:47am

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Aerogram said:

Actually, anyone who thinks Soundscan/Billboard is fair reflection of what happens at the customer level is out of his/her mind. Like worrying about corrupting the morals of a two-bit pimp.

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Don't waste your time trying to explain anything to the haters on this site. There is a lawsuit rignt now because some marketing company said it was not paid after helping double scan CD's for various labels.

Artist have hit records because labels want to have hit records. Prince is just playing the same game that record companies have been playing for years. It is time for the little guys to rise up and take some control.
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Reply #26 posted 05/06/04 6:04am

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Mazerati said:

lovemachine said:




I Plus as some have suggested what if someone signs a deal with McDonalds and they give away a copy with each meal sold.

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when people say that it makes me cringe..the cd is counted because it is givin out at a concert not a freakin Mcdonalds not a burger king..etc...there is no way Soundscan would count cd's at places that don't involve music..there is no way they would count a cd with a happy meal eek
[This message was edited Wed May 5 19:51:27 2004 by Mazerati]


If you paid more for it, they might! Fortunately, concerts are one of the few things that people can charge that much for, then add an extra ten bucsk, and still sell out huge venues.
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Reply #27 posted 05/06/04 6:12am

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laurarichardson said:

Aerogram said:

Actually, anyone who thinks Soundscan/Billboard is fair reflection of what happens at the customer level is out of his/her mind. Like worrying about corrupting the morals of a two-bit pimp.

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Don't waste your time trying to explain anything to the haters on this site. There is a lawsuit rignt now because some marketing company said it was not paid after helping double scan CD's for various labels.

Artist have hit records because labels want to have hit records. Prince is just playing the same game that record companies have been playing for years. It is time for the little guys to rise up and take some control.


I don't think that people should be labelled haters for merely trying to understand/debate the process! I actually asked someone who knows the business about it yesterday. She thinks its pretty genius, and she explained that, as Aerogram was saying, the Soundscan is already totally weird. Different record store have different weight in the chart, double scanning happens, etc. She was also saying that, in order for these to count, Prince probably bought them from a distrubutor first, so it's not like he wasn't taking a financial risk with this. An interesting question she had: The real debate might be when to count the sale, when it's bought from the dist., sold to the fan, or picked up at the concert?
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Reply #28 posted 05/06/04 6:13am

LoveMe

All of U haters need 2 B happy and "Shut up already DAMN!" typing
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Reply #29 posted 05/06/04 5:15pm

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Aerogram said:

RupertZ said:

I agree that it is dumb that the count the concert CDs in there, but I'm glad that they are doing it for Prince because it will make him look more successful and lead to him selling even more albums.


Pretty good for something dumb, eh?

- Aero, I think Rupert tried to mean ´unfair´.....but it´s cool to see Princey on charts again. If ´A million days´ is released as a single, chances are bigger.
Peace
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