I know there was another thread stating what Prince's chart action was throughout Canada, but upon looking at the Georgia Straight (the Vancouver music mag), it actually shows that Prince's Musicology opened at the number 1 spot and not #3 as previously noted. The Winan guy wasn't very high on the charts (somewhere around the mid 20's I vaguely recollect) and Usher was a few below P. It sure was a good and weird feeling seeing Prince at #1... I can't remember when was the last time that I saw that in the Georgia Straight. It was good because it is nice to know that with a little publicity, Prince can still sell CD's - even when a city like Vancouver is hardly playing 'Musicology' (with the exception of the Beat 94.5 FM). And weird because I never thought I would ever see that day where Prince was a top seller again - not because he couldn't do it, but more so because of his dislike for record companies, which everyone knows you need to get your stuff out there properly. It is true that as artists move forward in the years, you get less new fans and it's more or less just the diehards that support you as time progresses. Prince has proven that adage wrong when you see people in their early twenties walking into a CD store and picking up the newest release from an artist who's 'supposed' heyday was twenty years ago... did they even experience 'Purple Rain' the first time around????? What were they... like 2 or 3 years old???

So (okay here's my going off on a rant) in as much as there are threads from a lot of org'ers who have a slight distaste for 'Musicology' as a whole and don't think that it quite meets up to their expectations in light of Prince's previous works, all I can say is maybe we are just getting older and can't get past his past. Younger people in their late teens / early twenties are getting into it! I am not old (I'm only in my early early 30's) but having been a Prince fan since I was 12, I've seen everything that this man has done in the past twenty years... for new 'fans', Musicology obviously kicks otherwise they wouldn't be buying it in this new world of Britney, Outkast, etc. Prince has found a new market with new fans and for all those older fans that can't get or appreciate Musicology for what it is worth, you have to look at it this way; Prince has just begun a new phase in his career which could see him immensely popular once again... isn't that what we all want??? Prince to be recognized amongst all these new 'supposed' artists as the REAL deal. He will influence new young upcoming artists and get everything back to where it should be - real music, real musicians. Tell me a 20 year old guy isn't going to see Prince wail on a solo and not be blown away? Tell me that he is not going to go home and want to do that as well... you know it is going to happen. Where Prince goes from here is anyone's guess, but I can honestly say that his new remergence onto the music scene will be a positive thing for everyone. Musicology may not be in some people's opinion a 'Gold Experience' or 'Sign O The Times' or '(stick in whatever your favorite CD is)', but the truth be told, Prince is appealing to someone and what matters is that it could possibly be the potential new artists that are coming up the ranks and breaking into the music scene within the next few years. In that light, Musicology has been a complete and overall success...
Thank you very much for letting me rant...

good rant

I've been a fan since I was about 12 too, and I love Musicology quite a lot. It's not a 5-star record like Sign or Parade or Purple Rain, but it's a solid 4 stars for me.

I think what you say is true. I was at the Sony launch party for Musicology the other night in Sydney and it was cool to see some younger girls diggin' on Life O the Party, a track most folks at the org seem to hate with a passion....but I think it's great to see the youngins dancing to our P. Hell I don't care if it's Jughead (although of course, anything BUT would be preferable)! At least it's Prince and not Britney, ay?

Props to the Canadians...deys good peeps.

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[This message was edited Tue May 4 0:15:34 2004 by mrdespues]

I Love It and I am So Happy to see Teens getting into Prince. I always Knew Prince Would and Could top the Charts again. I Longed for the day as he was Always my number one so I wanted others to Appreciate him as I did. I Loved Musicology from the Very first Listen. I Knew it was Really Good. I love the fact that Prince is All Over the Place... Giving Interviews and Touring. I Love Listening to what he has to say. I am So Glad that the rest of the World are seeing just How Intelligent a Man he is. What can I say? I am So Biased in my Affection for the Man. I have so Much Faith in his Talents. He's the Best and Always Will Be. And I Do think it's Wonderful how he wants to Set the Right Example. Personally I have to tell him he Never Potrayed a Bad Image for us as Kids. He wasn't anything but HUMAN and Sexy Hot. I feel he Tried to Teach Us the Right Message. He is in My Opinion a Beautiful Person and a Real Wonderful Soul. I will Never even Entertain a Negative Thought. I wouldn't a Care anyway.

Zelaira said:

I agree. I love Prince too.

But Prince being sexy and hot to a kid? Sounds problematic, but it can't be all that bad considering we have 12 year old girls and younger wanting to "slut-dance" like Beyonce (who I love, btw, but think she sends out the wrong message to younger fans) and Britney, et al.

Prince is doing the right thing to attack that kind of stuff, because I think his intention was always for a more adult audience and his videos never went as far as say, Christina Aguilera (who I also have respect for, musically).

It's dramatic irony though, considering Prince was King of the Perves and now wants to attack those who've taken his older style too far. Better Prince than MJ, that's for sure.


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[This message was edited Tue May 4 0:27:55 2004 by mrdespues]

I was 12 when I heard 1999 and was excited because it sounded so different than anything else on the blah-blah early 80s radio. I turned off the radio and replaced it with 1999 which I played morning, noon, and night. Maybe Musicology has that same kind of affect on the kids nowdays -- what on radio or MTV sounds like it? I don't mean to say that Musicology can even compare to 1999 -- what does? -- but if Musicology (like 1999 when I was a middle-schooler) is the only fresh thing out there in a world full of self-centered business suits stoking the star-maker machinery, then no wonder a large teen demographic is buying into this (to them) new sound.

allusion: joni's free man in paris

O.K.look at Madonna and then look at Christina. Back in the day Girls dressed like Madonna. I even have a Boy Toy Belt. So Maddy was OVERTLY SEXUAL as PRINCE. Today she is a MOM and Married. Prince Married. Both are Stable . But Look at the Messages kids get from T.V. look at the Shows. Even a Young Child learns about Sex now in Kindergarden. It may be Sad but the YOUTH Today is EXPOSED to Stuff even Cursing just on T.V. alone. How can ya Really Police/Supervise when there is even Violence in Cartoons?
[This message was edited Tue May 4 0:33:59 2004 by Zelaira]

Zelaira said:

I think that's an over-the top comparison. Cartoon violence is just that. CARTOON VIOLENCE. Improbable, harmless, fictional and animated.

I agree with the rest of what you said, though.

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[This message was edited Tue May 4 0:36:45 2004 by mrdespues]

Zelaira said:

I wonder if he'd agree with you? There were times when he was very selfish -- I mean very selfish. He hurt a lot of people because he couldn't see past himself. He messed with other men's wives and dug deep into the flesh of the world, before and after experiencing the fruit of the Spirit. Should he have some regrets? I think we all should: regret we ever did anybody wrong. Why must we learn things the hard way? We needn't, except that we lack wisdom and don't seek it from anyone but ourselves. Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Prince was not always the best example of this. None of us are. True, he is human and we are human. But the same excuse would fit a murderer and a rapist. To seek self-satisfaction is the greatest of human desires, but how far do you want to take it? Where do we stop and realize that the cost is too great -- not the cost of ending up in jail or being killed by some girl's dude or the cop who wants to stop us in the name of the law -- but when do we stop and realize that the cost is too great against our own kind: other humans? True love should be our example, but what human can display it? Only one person ever did, and He was God, and His name is Jesus. Only Jesus "Never Portrayed a Bad Image for us as Kids." Why settle for a star when you can have the Son? Be careful who you worship.

Zelaira said:

Teach your own children before someone else does.

Nope I am Right. What Man's Wife ya Talking about? Listen Prince was and is an Entertainer and On Stage. He Can Be Freaky. He Can Be Wild. Please Prince Damns Himself Too Much. He is a Human Being. All of us are Sinners so ? God Forgives Us...If you are Sorry and Repent God Forgives ya. Prince was Hot Stuff. He will Always Be Hot Stuff. No one is Perfect in the sense of being Free from Sin. Prince Was Cool then and still Is. He Never Hurt Us from Anything he Did or in Any Message. He's a Grown Man with Desires. Anyone making like he was So Vulger or Obsene is Such a Fool. Look at What is Out There Today! It's just Prince was First with the Sex as Madonna also. I think Prince has made his Fans Free. I Think Prince helped Us to Grow. He was Always a God Fearing Man. I will say it Again and Always Prince is Special and I do Believe he would make a Wonderful Father. Prince CARES! Prince has HEART! Please Don't even get me Started cause he's just my IDOL and well I Think so Highly of Him...I will Gush about him Forever as a Schoolgirl/Cheerleader would. He's The Best!

Jasziah said:

Prince has never been known to "mess with other men's wives". Where do you get your information??

Hey, in as much as I went off ranting in this thread, the topic has nothing to do with Prince 'stealing' other men's wives. Where the heck is everyone going with this. This thread was a positive thread about what Prince is doing for the music industry... not who he shagged years ago.

I'm a Vancouverite. I've liked Prince's music for the past 5 years. But what I don't understand is why some people seem to think Prince is on top once again, when he's really not. Is the sudden hype making fans believe this?

The Musicology tour is designed as a greatest hits tour. And if it was anything but that Prince would be playing to crickets like he did two years ago at the Orpheum. Hype + promotion is the key here. Musicology isn't selling as well as people seem to think it is. Soundscan is counting the giveaways of Musicology as actual sales, when they're not actual sales. Musicology has sold roughly 130,000 copies in the US to date, in it's first two weeks, not the 285,000 giveaways and copies sold combined. Many fans don't understand that.

As far as the tour goes: if you subtract the top 12 or so markets on this tour that have sold phenomenally (LA, Chicago, Detroit, Toronto, Boston, Philadelphia, NY/NJ, Dallas, Atlanta, Seattle & Denver), you're left with roughly 40 markets that haven't sold as expected. Furthermore, if you take a look at what the overall attendance will be this year for the North American leg of the tour, it will surpass 1 million tickets sold. Now, many of you may might say, "well, the tour is selling damn well!" And you'd be right with the above mentioned markets (that to be honest I thought wouldn't sell as well as they have) where the combined attendance will be around 500,000 tickets sold. But then again, the other 500,000 tickets sold will have come from the bulk of the markets this year - and it's a complete different story. Tickets have had to be given away in the markets of: Oklahoma City, OK, State College, PA, Omaha, NE, Ames, IA, etc.,.

Only 25% of the shows have sold out and that IMO will continue throughout the tour.

What you have here is the media working the hype/promotion machine to it's full potential. And I admit it's working in getting Prince's name back out there in the mainstream again. But that's really all it is, hype/promotion. Afterall, Prince is an aging "heritage"artist and the hype/promotion is centered around his back catalogue as many of Prince's best of collections are making their way back on to the catalogue charts and his greatest hits tour is fueling this.

When Prince hits my hometown, he'll play either the Pacific Coliseum (16,000) or GM Place (19,000). Now, I believe he won't be able to draw more than 12-13,000 here. So he's better off at the Coliseum. And it would make sense for him to play there since our annual fair, the PNE (Pacific National Exhibition) will be taking place around late August and early September. And since Prince is performing in Seattle on August 30 & 31 and in Portland on September 1, it would fit. I'd say watch out for a Vancouver date right after this...probably September 3.
[This message was edited Wed May 5 2:36:29 2004 by TheGoldExperience]

Okay, I've got a few insights to what 'the gold experience' has laid out before us...

1.) the reason that Prince's last show was at the Orpheum was because it was a "ONE NITE ALONE' tour which meant smaller more intimate venues. I actually talked to one of the promoters of the show and they informed me that it did sell out, but not until that very night. They claimed that they could've sold it out quicker if it weren't for the fact that Prince's management phoned Clear Channel up less the 5 days before the tickets went on sale and said 'book us a venue and promote this... we're coming to Vancouver'. In that time, they had to try and set up as much promotion as possible to advertise a show that was less then 10 days away. Most of the other cities on that tour had at least had two weeks notice, Vancouver only had one (between when the tickets went on sale and when he was actually here).

2.) as far as playing the Pacific Coliseum, that could be a good guess but I've heard that most likely it is going to be General Motors Place... the same place that he played back in '97 to over 13,000 people. A tour that had NO promotion, no CD supporting the tour (Emancipation was already a year old and dead on the charts) and once again - with only two weeks notice from when tickets went on sale to when he actually performed.

3.) As far as ticket sales go... check this out -
http://www.billboard.com/...xscore.jsp
it's the top concert grosses in the past week. I see Prince's name a few times on this list (last week there were 5 of his shows listed in the top ten). And surprisingly, he sold all three of them out and they are in Pittsburg, Columbus, and Cleveland... none of the cities that you mentioned. Last weeks Billboard also showed his 5 shows as selling out as well and they weren't all in the cities that you mentioned either.

4.) When were they giving tickets away for his concerts??? You stated 'Tickets have had to be given away in the markets of: Oklahoma City, OK, State College, PA, Omaha, NE, Ames, IA, etc.,.' ... where did this information come from? I never heard anything about Prince's concerts selling so poorly that they had to give tickets away and I work in the industry...

5.) As far as CD's being given away at the shows and the industry actually counting them as sales - is anyone really complaining??? When was the last time that you went to a concert and walked home with a CD from that artist. Granted we are 'paying' for it with the cost included in the ticket, but the last few times that I have seen Prince in concert, I was charged $100 or $150 and I never got anything other then the show (well that's not necessarily true, on the One Nite Alone tour I actually got to talk to him for a few minutes after the concert) . The top ticket price on the Musicology tour is well under what I have paid previously to see him and I am also getting a CD with the deal. If I choose not to keep it (since I downloaded it and then bought a real copy when it was released), I can always give it to one of my friends so they can enjoy it... if they are big fans of Prince, they won't buy it in the stores, but if it is given to them by me for free, you know that they'll be happy to take it. Did you ever stop to think that people that are unaware when they buy their concert tickets that they will be getting a free CD at the show, when they actually go that evening and get the newest release from Prince (which they may or may not have) - it's like a bonus. They might only be there to hear his 'hits' but they are walking out with his newest creation. That in turn may bring them to listening to 'new' Prince and continuing to support him in his future releases.

The bottom line is that Prince is back on top... maybe not in the CD sales way (in comparison to say Usher), but in his innovative marketing plan in regards to promoting Musicology and giving it to his fans at the concerts. As I previously stated, he is influencing people once again (watch this 'free CD' giveaway turn into the industry norm now) and his presence is going to be especially felt a few years from now when there are new musicians coming up the ranks and they cite Prince as an inspiration. And even so, being back on top doesn't have to necessarily mean you have to be tops in ticket or CD sales... it's all about the whole package. Innovating, influencing, inspiring and turning heads... that is what separates. Prince? Definitely back on top and ahead of the game. Usher? The Winans guy? Following... and very far behind...

tracychristopher said:

Yes, I'm very aware of that. But it wouldn't have been that many more people if there was more notice. Probably only a second show at the Orpheum.




Prince didn't play to over 13,000 people at GM in '97. A local newspaper had quoted 10,000. And the show did have promotion: I saw all sorts of adverts for this show (tv, radio, etc.).




Most of those listed sellouts are wrong. I've already gone over this in another thread but anyways, to make a long story short, the promoters reduced the capacity to fit the attendance after tickets went onsale at the Oklahoma City, Pittsburgh, Raleigh, St. Petersburg, Columbus, etc., as is evident with the fact these these venue's capacities are anywhere from 2-7,000 seats larger then what the Boxscore provides.




That info came from fan/media reports from this very site - the search engine is functional, so see for yourself.




Whatever. But IMO it shouldn't count as a sale.




Prince isn't that innovative. He indulges primarily in standard funk stylings of music. I haven't really heard anything from him that's been innovative. He's unique, yes.

Hey, why are y'all trying to turn this positive thread into a heated debate. Do that somewhere else.

I for one am happy as the dickens that Prince is back on Top. I can't recall the media support for this man like this, even during the D & P era. And to hear that kids are taking an interest makes me all the more happier. Instead of searching for something wrong, lets celebrate what's going right and for once there's more going right than going wrong.

Peace

Good on yah Purplecam... I totally agree with you...
I don't know why the Gold Experience is wanting to make this into a debate... that was not my intent. For some reason even though Gold Experience claims to be a Prince fan, they sure puts him down a lot.
Their quote:
Prince isn't that innovative. He indulges primarily in standard funk stylings of music. I haven't really heard anything from him that's been innovative. He's unique, yes.

Prince not innovative??? Did anyone else think about giving away a free CD at their show and using it as a sale??? Late '70's / early '80's - were there any other 'risque' singers like Prince who made it into an art form and packaged it up for public consumption???? Why do you think Prince is consistently noted as being one of the top innovating artists of all time???? Why do the overall public, press and industry tout him as being a 'genius'??? The guy does know what he is doing well ahead of everyone else... he was one of the first two artists (the other being George Michael) who took it upon himself to blow the whole roof off of what record companies are about and letting other artists know what to be careful of. I work with musicians consistently and anyone that has any knowledge of how the 'business' works, always credits Prince for opening their eyes to what getting a record deal actually means. That may have damaged his career slightly throughout the mid to late '90's (in some people's opinions) but he is back on top right now and still saying everything about the record companies even though he is using one to distribute his Musicology. Has it hurt his career permenantly but coming out against the record companies? Hasn't seemed to... but it opened up a lot of other artists' eyes to how not to do business. 'One who does something first' is one of the definitions of innovator... Prince's life pretty much well sums that word up...

Gold Experience, I appreciate you wanting to discredit everything that I have stated - you have that right if you feel that I am incorrect in what I am saying. Just make sure that when you decide to do this, you get some of your facts straight... I don't lie or 'stretch' the truth. I pass along useful music industry information for other orger's so that they can appreciate what Prince does all that much more and get the insiders view. I am here to enlighten, not to invoke a battle or debate. If you want to do that, cool and good on ya, but that's not what I want to do - never has and never will be!
[This message was edited Thu May 6 17:15:35 2004 by tracychristopher]

I'm all for teens getting into Prince ()

So I proudly say "Prince" when asked what I'm listening to! And if they respond, "that's crap!" (etc.) I laugh, and ask if they've even actually heard his music. Mostly it's no. But I let them think what they want.

And I personally do not like a lot of the "music" coming out today. It's all sounding the same! I eman, there are artists with different music that I like, but still when I'm asked what kind of music I like, I state "Pretty much everything except most rap, and most pop." (There are exceptions in both genres, but I'm talking about the majority) and I really kind of find it disgusting when it comes to the lack of talent the music industry is producing.

I really aspire to become a professional musician, but my voice is not the kind for {actual} punk, or heavy metal, and all pop seems to be today is visual, all depending on hoe the artist looks, not on actual skill. Not that all new artists are, that's just how it seems. I sing. A lot. and I'm told I have a good voice(I'm in the concert choir at school, which is the crap choir, but next year I'm going right into Port City, the best choir, since I auditoned.<----sorry, I had to gloat a little )

I personally don't think I'm taht good though (seriously. Ask my friends. :p)

All I'm really saying is that if Prince is influencing teens to see what real music is, I'm all for him. If he can change the industry, just enough, I may just get a chance hm? Also, I think a lot of kids would get a chance to show what true music is, if they just knew.

Wow. I didn't expect to rant that much.

I Prayed for Prince to get Back to where I wanted him to be. I Wanted my Hero who I've Annoyed People all over the Planet by Expressing How Great he is Live to Embrace and Welcome him back onto the Charts. I have been Ridiculed Forever by People who Laughed at me and my Devotion . But Unfledging I Never Relented my Fanship.LOl. Didn't Care that I Had Quarrels with Guys who were JEALOUS of my POSTERS. I would Go to the Village in NYC dressed in Polka Dots and Gloves. People Laughed. Prince Symbols on my ear and around my neck..Long Life the Funk.... I even told Outrageous Stories to Cable men .... Saying I would Stay a virgin for Prince... Once Again but I Knew this as I did to...They Laughed...LOL!

Beauticians all over the Country have Heard about Prince and they would Laugh and someone Stole my Purple Umbrella. My ex called me a TEENIE BOPPER. Record Store Owners Said Go for Manson He has a Bigger C*8k! I gotta laugh as Everybody Knows all this Tom Foolery. Lol.

tracychristopher said:

You haven't been reading my posts. Show me where I "put him down a lot". And just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm not a fan.





Frank Zappa.




The overall public? Well, there's 300 million people in the US. So overall, meaning the majority. So that would be over 150 million people saying that Prince is what you say he is? LOL

And the only reason why the media is hyping him at this particular moment in time is because like I've been saying, this whole year revolves around promotion of the big tour and the big album. It's called publicity. If done right, publicity = money. And that's what this is all about. You think Prince picked a greatest hits setlist for the hell of it? If there wasn't a big arena greatest hits tour this year there wouldn't be hardly any publicity for him whatsoever. You need to get a clue.

And by all means, enlighten me. Since you work in the music industry and I assume you're a musician, tell me how Prince has been innovative musically, if you will?




No. That was Frank Zappa, actually. And if that was true, then why did Prince have to ask Bono for advice on his mater tapes and how to profit from them?




I don't care if you work in the industry, I still disagree.




Don't you love hypocrisy?




Prince has yet to be the first to do anything, apart from calling up venues days in advance and telling them, "I'm coming".





I don't lie either. And 99% of the time I have my facts straight. You're the one who needs to get your facts straight. You might not like it but I'm the one providing accurate and useful knowledge of the industry here, not you.




This is a chat forum, is it not? Is it illegal to question someone's comments or tell them that they're wrong? Why can't I say that you're wrong about what you're talking about? Do you live in a bubble and are not able to handle truth?

Btw, your enlightening isn't all that enlightening in the least.

TGE stated:

This is a chat forum, is it not? Is it illegal to question someone's comments or tell them that they're wrong? Why can't I say that you're wrong about what you're talking about? Do you live in a bubble and are not able to handle truth?

Btw, your enlightening isn't all that enlightening in the least.

TGE... go hate-on some other site... if you were a 'true' Prince fan, you wouldn't be out to cut him down first chance you get. I did check your other posts (as you told me to) and you 'were' discrediting other orgers' as well with other things they say. If Billboard posted that Prince sold out all of his shows, you will spend the time, effort and energy to find out he didn't actually sell 5 seats in Nantucket just so you can discredit what they say and then tell everyone at the Org that 'you' know the truth. Who cares??? I (as well as probably 98% of all fellow orgers) have more important things to do in my life then doing research via the internet or whatever trying to discredit you and what you say... what a waste of time (kinda like posting this response).
It is nice to go to a site like this - Prince.org - and see other Prince fans who like to share in the excitement of what Prince is doing and how well he is doing. If the media is saying Prince is doing this, that and whatever and they are positive things towards his life and career, why go out and hate-on what they say just to BE someone. This is a Prince community designed so that other fans can correspond with each other and give some insightful information that can be passed along to everyone... good, bad or otherwise. But the one thing that I haven't found too many orgers' doing is trying to call other people liars - whether it be the press, other orgers, etc. But I guess we have to have one special one in the group.
No more words for me to say because this little rant already wasted 5 minutes of my time and I don't got time for no hate in my purple 'bubble' world...!
[This message was edited Fri May 7 17:43:00 2004 by tracychristopher]

[This message was edited Fri May 7 17:44:20 2004 by tracychristopher]

tracychristopher said:

You're hilarious, you know that? I report on accurate info - whether it's positive or negative. If I see something's wrong, I'll speak up. What's wrong with that? If you can't handle that, then cry me a river. Grow up.

When I first came to this site, I was interested in threads like, "What's you favourite Prince album", or "What's Prince's best song", etc. But I'm not any longer. I like to talk about the business side of things. There has been no hatred whatsoever from me towards any of the members of this site. In fact, whenever I prove any orger wrong, I'm the one who receives the insults from them. Even you with your implied insults (ie. "special one"). So who are the haters now? Can anyone say hypocrite?




You know, I've never seen someone backtrack when they know they're wrong as much as you have. First we go back and forth in this thread about the above mentioned topic and now you say "Who cares?". LOL You're assuming I did a shitload of research when you don't know that I knew those shows didn't really sellout the second I saw the incorrect stats.




I like to provide accurate info - whether that's positive or negative. You seem to want to indulge in media/hype and BS this isn't true in the least. Each to his own I guess...




Exactly. So why are you posting your other BS comments then?




Fuck, you definitely need to get your facts straight. Who did I call a liar? All I have done is proven that this or that is wrong. Remember, I like to report accurate info?




That's good. I don't have time for hating others either.

Btw, I noticed that you haven't answered any of my questions in my previous post. I can't say I'm surprised.

If you don't like being proven wrong - tough shit.

TheGoldExperience said:

Five years?

You're stupid.

Hey TheMouldExperience, have you ever been officially diagnosed with that personality disorder? Looks like you've got some paranoid tendencies too, of course.

TheMouldExperience said:

You wouldn't know since you've only been into his music for 5 years, but trust us old-timers, Parade was fucking innovative. The Ballad of Dorothy Parker was motherfucking innovative.

TheMouldExperience said:

See, this is why I'm certain of your mental illness and your need for conflict. You're right - just like you've allegedly been saying along with pretty much everybody and their cousin, this year is about the promotion of the musicology world tour and the musicology album (and i'm sure there's gonna be a sweet purple rain re-release). You're stating the obvious here. Nobody would disagree with that. It's called publicity, like you said. Guh...

And then you go on to say that if there wasn't a big arena greatest hits tour there wouldn't be as much publicity.....well jesus christ, no motherfucking shit. What are you saying? His PR team is obviously on the ball, but it's the amount and quality of the performances that makes or breaks the publicity train....and he's all over the damn place, it's wonderful. People at work and in my family are gushing out the Prince compliments at the strangest times.

As for the setlist, Prince has done greatest hits shows since Parade...then again with parts of the Lovesexy show, then there was the Act I shows (or Act II? I can't remember). Why does that matter anyway? What I mean is, what point are you trying to make here? Are you trying to argue that it's only his old classics that sell? If so, why is that important, valuable, enlightening or interesting "information"?

And why are you so aggressive? I picture you sweating profusely, all red-faced and hunched over the keyboard, rocking back and forth at a feverish pace, biting your lower lip, eyes red and bulging out of the sockets, pulsating vein in the middle of your forehead....



Then in response to a comment made about Prince still speaking freely about the trappings of the music industry while also being able to maneuver within that industry,

TheMouldExperience said:

How is that hypocrisy? The deals he is making with the record companies are NOT the conventional record deals. They are for distribution only. I could go look it up and give all the specifics, but the point is while I think that Prince is quite hypocritical in many areas, I don't think this is one of them. He's just being smart. Finally. And it's a great thing to witness.

TheMouldExperience said:

So it's right here that the reader realizes you in fact are not connected to reality as we know it. Who made a huge public ordeal about their problems with their record company before Prince? I'd like you to answer this - maybe you could come up with 100 answers, and then only one of them would be wrong, since as you stated, 99% of your facts are correct.



Do you honestly not realize how koo-koo a statement like that makes you look? Dean The Crazy Guy in my office says shit like that. Do you monitor the "facts" that you bless the world with and keep a tally of correct vs. incorrect? Do you plot the results on a piece of fucking graph paper? Heh.

Also, people who always have to repeat things are trying to convince themselves of something - in your case, that your skewed, paranoid, bitter opinion is THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE opinion - no, wait, FACT.

Lemme tell ya..I was at Columbus, and if it didn't sell out technically (which I don't know, b/c why the fuck does it matter?) it might as well have...it looked to me from the floor looking around to the rafters that it was sold out....I didn't see any empty seats. Prince and the promoter DEFINITELY made BANK on that show, and they continue to do so.

The only time any tickets were being given away was the day of the event in towns where some of the nosebleed seats were still available...and in those cases, they offered them free to people in the military in one case. In the other I heard that they were giving them out to college students. That's a GREAT idea. Get those kiddies in and expose 'em to the funk. What do 200 or 300 seats matter when you've got 17,000+ people packed into the arena?

Please answer this specific question. What's the difference between selling it out and selling 16,300 out of 17,000 seats?

Certainly even though you're psychologically impaired you're quite intelligent, so I await your response.

theblueangel said:

I obviously disagree. Just because I have been a fan for five years doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm a musician, are you? Dorothy Parker utilizes standard r&b/funk progressions. Parade has standard funk/dance changes as well - which was a totally '80s sound at the time.




Well, I'm glad you understand mostly, 'cause others on this site don't seem to. But the publicity has nothing to do with the quality of the performances.




Of course it's only his classics that sell, yes. I'm saying that if he wasn't playing his hits, he wouldn't be playing larger venues. It seems obvious but apparently not to some on this site.




I'm not aggressive in the least. I think you're being too sensitive. But you know, I do have an urge to watch the shooting smoke shoot out of my "bulging" head, now that you mention it.




That's only happening because his back catalogue sales allow him to.





I think you shold re-read his statement.




I'm aware it's not a conventional deal. But it's not innovative in the least. He is now starting to understand the "business" more clearly though...




Frank Zappa.




Well that would require 100 questions.




You know, even though you don't have a clue what you're talking about, you are quite funny. I give you that.




Not necessarily. You see, when I report things, I provide evidence to back my claims up. I know that's a baffling concept to you.




Good for you. And I hope you enjoyed the show. But it didn't sellout. And if didn't matter to you, then why are you talking about it?




200 or 300? What show are you referring to?




That's at least 17,500 and the difference is that it wasn't soldout. LOL Which was what alandail and I were debating about.




Wow! I've never had a compliment and an insult within the same sentence before. You must a be a lover/hater!
[This message was edited Fri May 7 22:18:22 2004 by TheGoldExperience]

Hey Blue Angel... all I can say to you is that you are the freakin' Mack Daddy of them all on the org. You motherf**cking P.I.M.P... go on with your bad self. When I read your rebuttle to 'The Mould Experience' (I flipping love that), I laughed harder then I have laughed in a long time. Good on you... glad to see that there are other people and fans on the org that want to experience this forum for what it should truly be... a place of information and not of stupid disputes and discredits. You a bad mother Angel... keep up the excellent work!

And as far as you TGE, 'yes' Frank Zappa was an innovator in his field, but then so is Yanni. Zappa - brilliant, Yanni - brilliant, Prince - brilliant, but of these three only one has had mainstream success with being innovative. Frank may have spoken out about record companies before Prince (I don't know much about that so I can't really comment on it) but because he never had the stature that Prince had, how many people actually listened? All musicians that I know are aware of the industry because of Prince, not because of Frank. It is unfortunate that Mr. Zappa never reached the mainstream quite to the level that Prince did because he was very creative in his field (and besides, GTO and the Mothers did kick ass flat out). But the bottom line is ask anyone what they think of 'Don't Eat the Yellow Snow' and they'll look at you like you are on glue. Cool song, but sadly not as much recognition. Prince opened people's eyes to things that they may have not previously known. There could've been a million people before that have tried to enlighten others on the same subject but if they don't have the stature as say someone as Prince, who's really listening? Someone may have come out with Grunge type music before Nirvana, but when you think of grunge who do you think of first and foremost??? Nirvana. Why? Right place, right time? Who knows but then again who really cares. Facts are facts, Prince brought Jazz chords and stylings into Pop music during the '80s' with some of the stuff that he was doing and for most pop artists they wouldn't think of messing with a successful formula. Prince said 'screw you all' and did what he wanted. He went against the norm and put out stuff that others wouldn't have dared. Some were successful ('Sign') and some weren't ('Lovesexy'), but the point being that did it and got recgnized as being the 'first' to consistently do things like that. He may not have been the 'first' but he is recognized as the 'first' artist to go against the mainstream consistently and try to open new musical avenues within the realm of pop music. He got recognition for that and is now touted as a 'genius' for that but also for his abilities within his music and everything that surrounded it. There are a lot of other artists out there that may try to do something different but they haven't had the success at it quite to the level of Prince. Because of that reason, he has consistently been noted as the 'innovator' in his field (more so throughout the '70's and '80's but not as much in the '90s'). Whether he truly is or isn't, people don't really seem to care. They only go with what they've experienced and seen and in the last 25 - 30 years, there has never been anyone who's been more recognized for being different and as creative then Prince. Media hype? Maybe... but the world is built on media hype. You can't change the world... this is the way that it goes around...
And lastly TME, the only reason why I didn't devote anymore time replying to everything you said against what I said is because I ain't really into wasting anymore time for 'WHAT'? To give you a charge by debating even more? It's not that I can't rebuttle against what you've said, it's more so I have chosen not too... and that has absolutely nothing to do with hiding from my 'supposed' factual errors. So say want you want to try and keep this thread hanging in debates but I'm not wasting anymore time carrying on some stupid dispute just because you have nothing better to do in your life
I've had a great time but I gotta go... I'll send you a postcard...

tracychristopher said:

So what are you saying exactly? That Prince is better because he was more popular? Then I guess the Eagles and Pink Floyd are better than Prince because they've sold more records than he has?! ROTFLMFAO.




Frank Zappa didn't give a shit about reaching "the mainstream". He was underground and that's the way he liked it.




Again, are you trying to equate innovative with recognition?




Wtf?!



You're way out of your depth here, you know that? Frank Zappa and Miles Davis revolutionized jazz-fusion when Prince was in daipers! Get a clue! LOL




Zappa also did this when Prince was in daipers!




So if an artist is the first to bring something to the mainstream but has not actually innovated, it counts as being innovative?! Are you a fucking joker or what? LOL




Well, like I've been showing you, that's a wrong assessment.




Well, those people need to take music history lessons. And so do you by the looks of it.




No, I think it's the opposite, actually.

let it go Mould Experience... trust me you'll feel better...