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Reply #60 posted 05/03/04 3:45pm

tiffd

Uh - the answer is no. Basically - I've known Andre 3000 for years and the first thing he'll tell is that The Love Below is his ode to Princey. I will say that Outkast is innovative as far as hip hop. But without Prince there wouldnt have been The Love Below. And without James,Sly, Jimi and George Clinton - there wouldnt have been a Prince.
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Reply #61 posted 05/03/04 3:48pm

namepeace

tiffd said:

Uh - the answer is no. Basically - I've known Andre 3000 for years and the first thing he'll tell is that The Love Below is his ode to Princey. I will say that Outkast is innovative as far as hip hop. But without Prince there wouldnt have been The Love Below. And without James,Sly, Jimi and George Clinton - there wouldnt have been a Prince.



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Reply #62 posted 05/03/04 7:12pm

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thechronic2 said:

I believe andre is what Prince use to be....Prince seems to be stuck in the past.....he needs to realize the 70's and 80's are over and no matter how much he wants things to be like they use to its not going to happen.....

I use to listen to a Prince album and here at least 1 thing i had never heard before.....

Can u honestly listen to Musicology and say the same thing?

When i heard the love below the first time i got the feeling i use to get with prince albums.....
like what happened between kobe bryant and michael jordan in his last season.....jordan saw that the youn g buck was what he use to be and retired.....

Maybe prince should do the same.....
or move to vegas where everyone plays all there old shit to death nightly.....

miles davis would be so dissappointed with prince today....not being a leader and blazing new trails.....

I'm sorry miles.....your boy prince has let u down

STUPID QUESTION, PRICE IS NOT DEAD!!!
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Reply #63 posted 05/03/04 7:13pm

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lezenith said:

thechronic2 said:

I believe andre is what Prince use to be....Prince seems to be stuck in the past.....he needs to realize the 70's and 80's are over and no matter how much he wants things to be like they use to its not going to happen.....

I use to listen to a Prince album and here at least 1 thing i had never heard before.....

Can u honestly listen to Musicology and say the same thing?

When i heard the love below the first time i got the feeling i use to get with prince albums.....
like what happened between kobe bryant and michael jordan in his last season.....jordan saw that the youn g buck was what he use to be and retired.....

Maybe prince should do the same.....
or move to vegas where everyone plays all there old shit to death nightly.....

miles davis would be so dissappointed with prince today....not being a leader and blazing new trails.....

I'm sorry miles.....your boy prince has let u down

STUPID QUESTION, PRINCE IS NOT DEAD!!!
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Reply #64 posted 05/03/04 7:14pm

lezenith

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STUPID QUESTION., PRINCE IS STILL ALIVE!!!!
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Reply #65 posted 05/03/04 8:33pm

thechronic2

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lezenith said:

STUPID QUESTION., PRINCE IS STILL ALIVE!!!!

not musically
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Reply #66 posted 05/03/04 9:19pm

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thechronic2 said:

lezenith said:

STUPID QUESTION., PRINCE IS STILL ALIVE!!!!

not musically

Your opinion but happily it's one I don't share with you. biggrin
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #67 posted 05/03/04 9:19pm

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I just want to say one thing for the record:

Kobe Bryant is NO fucking Michael Jordan goddammit!

Not even in the same league. Period.
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Reply #68 posted 05/03/04 9:55pm

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JediMaster said:

thechronic2 said:


biggrin true...no one can argue with me and win...i went to michigan biggrin


This is true. You can't win an argument with the under-educated. They won't understand a word your saying. Arguing with a michigan grad is like arguing with your dog (except your dog will actually understand far more, since they are higher up on the evolutionary ladder).

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Reply #69 posted 05/03/04 10:49pm

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thechronic2 said:

let's see 9 million sold= genius=kobe bryant
200 thousand= former genius=michael jordan




first of all The Love Below is a remake of sorts of SOTT. Not word for word, but certainly the essence of and concept that was SOTT. The difference being that SOTT was, although influenced by past genius, still original. It could be easily argued that Andre2000 is the next incarnation of Prince, but truth be told we will have to wait and see. Lord knows there have been many attempts by record companies and the masses to crown a new "His Royal Badness" with as yet no success.

Here's a list of dethroners who were talented but could not pull off a true coup...

Terence Trent Darby
George Michael
Georgio
Al B. Sure
Devante Swing
R. Kelly
Beck
Neneh Cherry
Lauryn Hill
Wyclef Jean
Kurt Cobain
Babyface
Maxwell
D'Angelo
Teddy Riley
Puff Daddy
Jamouriqua
No Doubt
Macy Gray
Alicia Keys
Jill Scott
Eryka Badu
and the list would continue but I'm beat

good nite
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Reply #70 posted 05/03/04 10:51pm

lmas

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bkw said:

I just want to say one thing for the record:

Kobe Bryant is NO fucking Michael Jordan goddammit!

Not even in the same league. Period.



No doubt.

This guy is about gettin U all rowd up, Chronic is smokin bacteria infested CRACK!!!
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Reply #71 posted 05/03/04 11:28pm

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Heck ya!!
"Just like the sun, the Rainbow Children rise."



"We had fun, didn't we?"
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Reply #72 posted 05/04/04 4:18am

Luv4oneanotha

Why must there always be drama on the damn ORG?
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Reply #73 posted 05/04/04 4:31am

richierich

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Coz from time to time you get the odd attention seeking sad act,they probablys have nothing in their lives so they like to be spiteful by bringing others down and talking crap. wink
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Reply #74 posted 05/04/04 7:24am

namepeace

lmas said:

first of all The Love Below is a remake of sorts of SOTT. Not word for word, but certainly the essence of and concept that was SOTT. The difference being that SOTT was, although influenced by past genius, still original. It could be easily argued that Andre2000 is the next incarnation of Prince, but truth be told we will have to wait and see. Lord knows there have been many attempts by record companies and the masses to crown a new "His Royal Badness" with as yet no success.


Dre3K lacks the musical ability to claim the mantle of reigning genius. That title rightly belongs to Me'shell (IMHO). He is a creative hip-hop artist who I dig immensely, but still . . .

Here's a list of dethroners who were talented but could not pull off a true coup...

I am going to offer my opinions, not judgments, on each, okay? reasonable minds can disagree . . .

Terence Trent Darby Yes, Hardline was successful, but he had less sucessful followups
George Michael -Yes, but Faith was a smash for him.
Georgio -Yes, a garden-variety P knockoff, like fake Georgio perfume!
Al B. Sure-No, a falsettoed New Jack Swinger.
Devante Swing - No, simply an R&B crooner
R. Kelly - Not really,Some Princely influence, but never aspired to his artistic level.
Beck - Yes and No, same experimental spirit, a great artist in his own right, not selling like P did even in his experimental periods
Neneh Cherry -Welll, kinda . . .
Lauryn Hill - Can't go with you on this one
Wyclef Jean - He wants to be Marley, not Prince
Kurt Cobain - No way I can agree on that! wink
Babyface - Never aspired to be an artist per se, but at times copped Princely elements
Maxwell - Yes, but a good artist in his own right
D'Angelo - Yes, but a good artist in his own right
Teddy Riley - Don't see this, you'd have to make the case
Puff Daddy - Absolutely not!
Jamouriquai - More Stevie/EWF than Prince
No Doubt - Nope
Macy Gray - Maybe
Alicia Keys - Owes a great debt to Prince, literally copied him, but good in her own right
Jill Scott - Nope, more of a traditional soul singer
Eryka Badu - Kind of Prince influenced, but doing her own thing.

and the list would continue but I'm beat I find it interesting you mentioned an array of artists from Kurt Cobain to Puff Daddy before you mentioned Lenny Kravitz.

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Reply #75 posted 05/04/04 3:29pm

DrD

TOTALLY AGREE

Andre is really what Prince used to be in the early-mid 1980s: an innovative and groundbreaking artist, able to fly up in the charts on his own terms.
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Reply #76 posted 05/04/04 3:39pm

djcreep

Let's all just stop responding to the guy who started this stupid ass post. I'll end it with this....Andre is a good artist and yes his stuff does sound fresh, but by saying it sounds fresh you are also saying that Prince sounds fresh because that is where he got all his ideas and inspiration for this album. So while you might think that you are HATING on Prince by mentioning Andre being better.....You are actually giving Prince a very high compliment.....THANKS FOR THE PROPS. THIS POST IS DONE
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Reply #77 posted 05/04/04 4:28pm

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djcreep said:

Let's all just stop responding to the guy who started this stupid ass post. I'll end it with this....Andre is a good artist and yes his stuff does sound fresh, but by saying it sounds fresh you are also saying that Prince sounds fresh because that is where he got all his ideas and inspiration for this album. So while you might think that you are HATING on Prince by mentioning Andre being better.....You are actually giving Prince a very high compliment.....THANKS FOR THE PROPS. THIS POST IS DONE


what kind of logic is that? i guess u didn't go to michigan.....
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Reply #78 posted 05/04/04 4:38pm

skywalker

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Andre 3000
D'Angelo
Terence Trent D'arby
Lenny Kravitz
Beck


All people supposedly who, at one time or another, were supposed to be the next Prince. None of them have had the cultural or musical impact that Prince has had. Put Andre's best CD against Prince's best and see what happens. Put Andre on a stage against Prince and see what happens.....

By the way wasn't some fool around here rantin' about Babyface. I guess the Andre 3000 bandwagon swept you up too huh?
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Reply #79 posted 05/04/04 6:38pm

matrix16

I think Prince summed it up best when he said, "Let me open for you and see what happens." Everybody who creates some unusual rhythm is compared to Prince. It is getting pretty rediculous. If you have to compare other artist to Prince you are in fact conceeding that he is better or why compare. There is a laundry list of performers that have been compared to Prince: Andre 3000, Beck, Lenny Kravitz, Van Hunt, D’Angelo, Musiq, TTD, Maxwell, Alicia Keys (female version) and so on. He is the bar they are all measured against and his peak happened almost 20 years ago! Face it Prince is the man. He was the man then and he is the man now. BTW do you think he really loses sleep over whoever the music industry touts as his replacement? No. He just keeps on making music. Everybody says this new album doesn‘t sound innovative. Well, it doesn’t have to. He has already been there and done that over and over again. He has nothing left to prove to anyone. He is a memeber of the R&R Hall of Fame what more do you want?! He is a master of music, and like a Star Wars film, critic proof. It doesn’t matter anymore.
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Reply #80 posted 05/04/04 7:48pm

lmas

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namepeace said:

lmas said:

first of all The Love Below is a remake of sorts of SOTT. Not word for word, but certainly the essence of and concept that was SOTT. The difference being that SOTT was, although influenced by past genius, still original. It could be easily argued that Andre2000 is the next incarnation of Prince, but truth be told we will have to wait and see. Lord knows there have been many attempts by record companies and the masses to crown a new "His Royal Badness" with as yet no success.


Dre3K lacks the musical ability to claim the mantle of reigning genius. That title rightly belongs to Me'shell (IMHO). He is a creative hip-hop artist who I dig immensely, but still . . .

Here's a list of dethroners who were talented but could not pull off a true coup...

I am going to offer my opinions, not judgments, on each, okay? reasonable minds can disagree . . .

Terence Trent Darby Yes, Hardline was successful, but he had less sucessful followups
George Michael -Yes, but Faith was a smash for him.
Georgio -Yes, a garden-variety P knockoff, like fake Georgio perfume!
Al B. Sure-No, a falsettoed New Jack Swinger.
Devante Swing - No, simply an R&B crooner
R. Kelly - Not really,Some Princely influence, but never aspired to his artistic level.
Beck - Yes and No, same experimental spirit, a great artist in his own right, not selling like P did even in his experimental periods
Neneh Cherry -Welll, kinda . . .
Lauryn Hill - Can't go with you on this one
Wyclef Jean - He wants to be Marley, not Prince
Kurt Cobain - No way I can agree on that! wink
Babyface - Never aspired to be an artist per se, but at times copped Princely elements
Maxwell - Yes, but a good artist in his own right
D'Angelo - Yes, but a good artist in his own right
Teddy Riley - Don't see this, you'd have to make the case
Puff Daddy - Absolutely not!
Jamouriquai - More Stevie/EWF than Prince
No Doubt - Nope
Macy Gray - Maybe
Alicia Keys - Owes a great debt to Prince, literally copied him, but good in her own right
Jill Scott - Nope, more of a traditional soul singer
Eryka Badu - Kind of Prince influenced, but doing her own thing.

and the list would continue but I'm beat I find it interesting you mentioned an array of artists from Kurt Cobain to Puff Daddy before you mentioned Lenny Kravitz.

good nite



As far as the Lenny K omision: Dude I was tired...

Now I did not say that they themselves were attempting to crwon themselves as the next Prince. I said that "Lord knows there have been many attempts by record companies and the masses to crown a new "His Royal Badness" with as yet no success."


As for the ones u disagreed on.

Teddy Riley back in 1991 was thought of by the mainstream hip hop listener as a "sampling" producer genius. Hell MJ did a whole record by him.
Puffy the same thing. A strong case could be made to likening "Junior Mafia" to the "Starr Company". As producers go Prince is sometimes I think forgotten as one of the best and most influential R&B producers (PRODUCER) in the early 80's. Everything that came out had his REAL stamp on it. Same for Puffy in the middle 90's. Puffy just lacks Prince's musical and over all geniuos.
Devante Swing was pretty strong as far as producer of hits
I included some on the list completely because of there ability to be compared to or rather nominated to take on the Prince legacy by mainstream or record company's looking for something as all powerful as Prince symbolized.
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Reply #81 posted 05/04/04 7:56pm

lmas

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DrD said:

TOTALLY AGREE

Andre is really what Prince used to be in the early-mid 1980s: an innovative and groundbreaking artist, able to fly up in the charts on his own terms.



come on this is the kinda shit that put Hitler at the top of the world for better part of the 30's and 40's.

this truly solidifies my ideas on how Britney Spears took the mantle from Madonna. and why the hell Kurt Cobain and 2pac are suddenly thought of as the 90's Shakespeare and Hemingway.

Outkast have only had 2 crossover hits from their LP. Andre is talented but wait it out dude cause so was Rick James and a whole host of others. One multiplatinum LP does not a superstar make, and certainly not a legend.
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Reply #82 posted 05/04/04 7:58pm

lmas

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skywalker said:


By the way wasn't some fool around here rantin' about Babyface. I guess the Andre 3000 bandwagon swept you up too huh?




would U believe it was this same "Chronic" guy. WTF pissed
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Reply #83 posted 05/04/04 8:03pm

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thechronic2 said:

I believe andre is what Prince use to be....Prince seems to be stuck in the past.....he needs to realize the 70's and 80's are over and no matter how much he wants things to be like they use to its not going to happen.....

I use to listen to a Prince album and here at least 1 thing i had never heard before.....

Can u honestly listen to Musicology and say the same thing?

When i heard the love below the first time i got the feeling i use to get with prince albums.....
like what happened between kobe bryant and michael jordan in his last season.....jordan saw that the youn g buck was what he use to be and retired.....

Maybe prince should do the same.....
or move to vegas where everyone plays all there old shit to death nightly.....

miles davis would be so dissappointed with prince today....not being a leader and blazing new trails.....

I'm sorry miles.....your boy prince has let u down

thumbs up!
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Reply #84 posted 05/04/04 8:39pm

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lmas said:

namepeace said:




As far as the Lenny K omision: Dude I was tired...

Now I did not say that they themselves were attempting to crwon themselves as the next Prince. I said that "Lord knows there have been many attempts by record companies and the masses to crown a new "His Royal Badness" with as yet no success."




1. Half that list is incorrect and of your own opinion (ex: Jill Scott was NEVER marketed by her label as the next Prince)
2. The same could be said for MJ using Justin, Usher, Sisqo, etc.
3.The same could be said of Madonna using Britney, Chrissy A, Pink, etc.
The point - only a few from the 80s made it to this level; thus the comparisons. RECORD LABELS STOPPED MAKING SUPERSTARS IN THE LATE 80s! Its not profittable as making disposable generic stars.
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Reply #85 posted 05/05/04 5:08am

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Some of these guys dont wanna be the next Prince ,Beck for one just wants to be Beck he has done well in his own right and all of his albums are strong and varied,just coz he is'nt as well known dosent mean he didn't cut the mustard he's just more alternative but still releases exelent music.
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Reply #86 posted 05/05/04 5:17am

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richierich said:

Some of these guys dont wanna be the next Prince ,Beck for one just wants to be Beck he has done well in his own right and all of his albums are strong and varied,just coz he is'nt as well known dosent mean he didn't cut the mustard he's just more alternative but still releases exelent music.


Very true nod Same thing with Sananda/TTD nod
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Reply #87 posted 05/05/04 6:58am

brettobee

When I first heard The Love Below it blew me away....but only because it brought back memories of the man in question.....The truth is that while Andre is a serious talent he reminds me of a form that has been photocopied from a photocopy 10 times.....that is compare him to the master & he looks like a poor Vegas tribute act to Prince....compare him to anyone else & he is fantastic.....Andre's vocals are nowhere near as strong as Prince for a start.....When I heard Musicology I forgot all about The Love Below....I played Andre the other day & had to turn if off & put on Musicology.....coz he is just a true Artist....he touches my soul even if his melodies have dipped a little recently.....
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Reply #88 posted 05/05/04 7:44am

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one of these days you people are going to learn to stay away from chronic's bait posts....
The Org is the short yellow bus of the Prince Internet fan community.
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Reply #89 posted 05/05/04 7:56am

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