Byron said:

You have GOT to be kidding with that.


If only I wasn't giving this thread's author the satisfaction of intentionally and constantly stirring up fans....

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[This message was edited Sun May 2 19:43:43 2004 by Supernova]

thechronic2 said:

Point is, P. is not getting better with time. "Musicology" is sterile and Miles most

definitely would be disappointed. “Musicology” should have the same cover as “Come.”

Truth be told, Prince has been treading water for quite some time. On "Musicology" he’s

hurting, you can hear him gurgling that shit right back up. P. is under and going down

foot by foot, record by record. Hate to say it, but he’s almost done. Ironically enough

(considering his recent surge in popularity), "Musicology" might be the record that kills

him. Could be uninspired easy listening garbage from here on out.

jpav said:[quote]Andre 3000 is the Weird Al of R & B... His songs are novelty songs, that contain no true vocal ability; just affectation...


I might agree with you were he an R&B singer.

Anyway, innovative doesn't mean you have to come up with something completely out of the blue. Nobody lives in a vacuum where they're creating sounds-- only God can do that. In fact, it's harder to be innovative today then when James Brown and Kraftwerk were out. Just about any sound you can think of has been used on record so the trick is to incorporate it into a unique blend that strikes a chord with people. In this respect both Andre and Prince are innovators.

Andre isn't some novice with one hit under his belt. He's been producing music for almost 10 years. No he's no Prince, but who is? The fact remains that at this moment he is more innovative and fresh then Prince is-- if Musicology and The Love Below are the measuring sticks. There's probably somebody out there much more innovative, but as far as mainstream pop music Andre is arguably the best right now. It sure ain't Prince. Prince has nothing left to prove whereas Andre may still feel that urgency.
[This message was edited Sun May 2 20:09:15 2004 by whodknee]

Oh, and Chronic, it's not Prince that seems to be stuck in the past. It's we, the fans, that want him to return to his past glory and his old styles. He seems to be at peace with who and where he is.

I like OUTKAST alot But Still I Totally LOVE Prince and I Feel no Way Prince is the INNOVATOR not VICE a Versa. Prince is the Forefront Leader. Listen, I like Alot of Rappers but They are Not the Same as Prince nor is Usher who is Hot. All are Hot and Talented differently.

When I hear Outkast or Andre 3000 I usually groove a bit cause it sounds different than most of the crap on the radio...same with Missy Elliot. But I don't think any of these artists will have staying power..perhaps as producers...but not as artists. This novelty, kitschy music will eventually go out of fashion just like the "boy bands" have basically gone by the wayside.

Prince is already a legend, an icon. I don't think Andre will ever reach that status, but good for him if he does! Musicology may not be a completely innovative album, but it IS refreshing to hear some new Prince IMO. Just for the record, after all the hype over the Love Below?Speakerboxxx album, I went and bought it and was NOT impressed at ALL But that's just a sidenote.

ALL ROADS LEAD 2 PRINCE ROGERS NELSON.

avatarfunk said:

and where does it lead past that?

thechronic2 said:

Sounds like a npgmc worker to me

Prince is ONE of the great artists out there.. not the only one..

I guess some poeple get that confused call thats all their speakers play.

Supernova said:

Kidding with what??...that Prince's music wasn't all that innovative??...It wasn't. Merging new wave and funk (or pop or rock, for that matter) wasn't innovative by the time 1999 came out...wasn't exactly all over the charts, either...but it wasn't innovative. Now, merging New Wave and Country...THAT woulda been innovative.

thechronic2 said:

This makes no sense! Your last post you said Babyface was a better songwriter and producer than Prince. You also said he was a better guitarist based on a song that had Eric Clapton doing all the guitar work. Now you want to jock Andre 3000 over Prince based on one song and one album? Are you serious?
For starters why is it that Musicology has to re-invent the wheel? U2 and Bruce Springsteen all released albums over the last couple of years where they revisited their old sound and people acted like they hung sky. Prince revisits [/b]SOME[b] of his old sound you want to hang him for it. As far as innovation what about TRC and NEWS? Let me guess when he released those you probably said he could never release a hit album again.
I just don't think you analyze the music or your opinions fully before you post. I base this on the fact that you actually think Babyface is a better guitarist than Prince. I mean to each his own but at least realize that Babyface is not a guitar player at all.
Also where do you think Andre who marginally (if that) plays instruments will be 25 years from now? Do you think he will be creating albums as intense as TRC or NEWS? and that is not to mention Chocolate Invasion and the like.

You want to talk about innovation let's examine how Prince has just knocked the industry on its ass with his distribution of Musicology. I just saw the show this past friday and in the traffic on the way home all you could hear outside of peoples cars was the CD they recieved before the show. People are hearing that music now,that may not have had he just released it traditionally. To date over 200,000 of those have been sold in the ticket CD package deal. Everyone is now trying to copy this new formula. There was actually an article on it on the www.hollywoodreporter.com website. So for all you Prince haters that have a problem with the way Musicology has been distributed get used to it because Prince has just kicked down the dam!

I don't know, maybe you are joking but for you to put all that heat on Andre because of Hey Ya! to me is very silly. I think you should listen to the artist that you compare Prince to some more. Really analyze the statements that you post. Cause imo they are lacking innovation. Remember there is already one Super Prince Hater on this site. Why are you trying to be the second? Also this is not a competition. This is Prince.org not Babyface or Andre3000.com the people that come to this site love Prince period. Seriously I hope that you consider some of my points. If not hey it is what it is.
Peace

Just cause Prince has been in the Business and is a Hall Of Famer it's Like he's Old News or Something and Now these Newer Bands are getting Hyped. Well, Prince was First and VERY INNOVATIVE and DIFFERENT and FUN! Prince is Older and Ya Know What? He's Still Hotter than Everybody Else out There. Watch him Onstage and be AMAZED.

Andre 3000 needs a lot of years more in music business to show he can be as innovative as Prince.
"Musicology" is not an innovative album, because Prince wants to sell again, and he knows it's easier this way.
But please, listen to other Prince stuff, like News or The Rainbow Children, other thing is if you like it or not, but Prince keep on being very innovative.

Have u Lost ur Mind

Andre 3000 should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Prince. Count 25 yrs from the time Andre started and see if we will be discussing him.
Everyone's lookin for the ladder, everyone wants salvation of the soul!

Neversin said:

dreamfactory313 said:

UMMMM, the definition of Musicology=the study of music. Am I right or wrong?? Prince did not put out this album to sound innovative. It makes sense if this is the study of music, that past influences would be included, including Prince's past work. GEEEZ!!!

Musicology is an Ode to the Old School
its not suppose to be innovative
i basically think pince put out this album so his fanbase would shut the hell up ever since NEWS
ast innovative Album was most likely The Rainbow Children IMO
Andre 3000 is an innovater because he's not following trends
But Musicology is Following trends either
Andre 3000 has nothing to lose and all to gain
Prince has Everything to lose and Nothing to gain
He's Reached his highest Peak
Prince has no one to top but himself
Look at His History
He's Nearly Done Everything!
Cept country unless you count that song he did on Muppets tonight!
What is there left to do thats NEW?
all you fans are Petty cause you wan't him to go backwards and satisfy your own desire
for Rock,Funk tracks
He's Done that already
He's Conquered The Jazz World! with the rainbow children and news
he's beaten the hip-hoppers with songs like gett off emale 18&over
and destroyed the normal popstars with songs like pop life and the most beautiful girl in the world
what is there left for him to do?
instead of Hounding Prince to Re-walk his path
why don't you re-walk his path
you want a rock album? go buy Chaos and Disorder
Want spirituality? go listen to lovesexy
want undeniable funk? go listen to batman!
Prince is 45 and he's done it all
He's Looking for New territory
you guys just want a repeat of 1999's and sign o the times
stop houndin his azz

here we go again with another one of those "Andre3000 is the next Prince" threads

in 26 years, no one will be on an www.Andre3000.org website arguring about TLB.
period.

Too many people confuse innovation for quality.

I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about Outkast. Hey Ya isn't even a real song. It's just a conjunction of sounds created by people who don't seem to be musicians. What kind of chorus is that? What is the keyboard part in the chorus about?
I'm not flaming. I just don't get it. Nor, do I get the comparisons to Prince. And, Prince always talks up current hot artists who have said good things about him (eg No Doubt). I can't imagine he really thinks much of them.

jfs said:

Hey ya was mediocre its a fun song nothing serious
but Andre is in fact a musican
didn't even know it myself till i read the credits
songs that remind us of prince are most likely "She lives in my lap" "Valentines day"
"Prototype" etc...
And the jazzpop instrumental at the end of the love below
its very different from whats out now! thats why it appeals to people
Andre compared to prince is mediocre
But he's the best thing that happened to popular music since prince

thechronic2 said:

That yo mama is a crackhead who sent her son to a crummy school like Michigan.

Luv4oneanotha said:

To be fair, all I've heard is what gets play. I might not be a Prince fan if all I knew of him was TMBGITW or U Got The Look.

thechronic2 said:

This is true. You can't win an argument with the under-educated. They won't understand a word your saying. Arguing with a michigan grad is like arguing with your dog (except your dog will actually understand far more, since they are higher up on the evolutionary ladder).

JediMaster said:

Andre3000 is alright, but he ain't got nothing on Prince live performances which is what really counts to me. I love Andre3000, but the man can't perform worth shit.
[This message was edited Mon May 3 12:21:16 2004 by NEWPOWERBABY]

since when is andre 3000 innovative? he appears to me to be a colorful hack in wierd costume.....

just one woman's opinion

I wouldn't say Innovative
He's a new Cat in the game who Wowed mainstream
its not innovation
its just Different! from whats being played
probably the only Emcee turned funk artist and musician
He's new
His Song writing is not top notch but his melodies are great
his performance arent top notch c'mon he's a rapper whatw ould you expect?
he has personalty
as he grows more as an artist expect better work and better stage presents
For You Wasn't Exactly Prince's Best
but it was very exceptional

chronic2, I can't co-sign most of what you said.

Prince's sound (from any era) may be somewhat derivative in that it pulls together elements of different genres and artists. But it was innovative in the way it was done. He created the Minneapolis Sound. Some of his later work has been contrived, some of it terrible, but in the big picture, his complete body of work is nothing short of amazing.

Dre3K has neither the ability nor the track record to be compared to Prince in any respect, good though he may be. He is hip-hop royalty and newly-minted pop royalty. That don't mean he's on Prince's "level."

Your Kobe-Michael comparison sounds accurate at first, but looking at things in the big picture, again, when Prince was Dre3K's age he had already completed one of the most successful musical runs of his generation by creating a massive body of musical work AND selling millions of records, videos, tickets, etc. in the process. Dre3K lags significantly in comparison.

Sales are also misleading in many cases. In their prime, none of the jazz cats sold a fraction of the records Dre has in the last 4 years.

And Dre3K isn't even the most innovative pop artist of his day. As good as he is, that's a stretch. Me'shell, Beck, and a lot of others could lay claim to that title more easily than Dre could. TLB isn't half the LP "Cookie" or "Sea Change" were (my ). And those are just 2 examples.

P.S. -- no great musical artist creates their work out of thin air. They derive inspiration from their predecessors.