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Printable NCC2012 said: realm said: Now ain't it a bitch, Prince made me go download the cd, Prince made me go to the store and purchase the cd, Prince made me go to the show and I had to pay $10 more for the cd! Just imagine, the amount of people that Prince tricks and they had no choice???! Maybe, they could put more options on concerts, I sometimes do not want to see the opening acts, and only want to see the headliners, just maybe I could have some sort of option to buy a ticket $5 less so I could show up late just to see the headliner  He's just pissed off because he's increasing the sales of a CD he's spent weeks telling everyone that it is crap, so in a way he comes out looking like a hypocrit by default. 
I know! Let's look at it a different way. If you buy his CD through Ticketmaster, you get $10 off one of his concert tickets. It's good you guys entertain each other. Too bad your responses are worthless. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: It's good you guys entertain each other. Too bad your responses are worthless.
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EvilWhiteMale said: I would rather pay $70 to just see the concert instead of $80 for the concert and CD. In this situation, it's like a tax for me cuz I don't want the fucking thing.
For once I agree with ya...it was cool when I got one copy at the LA concert simulcast, because I felt like I was getting a preview and a jump on everyone who'd hear it when it came out in stores, but dang...I've been to two concerts since and I keep getting the damn things. Gimme a discount on my ticket, or give me a discount on a t-shirt or some shit, I dunno...I mean, it's not like I'll refuse a CD at future shows cuz I paid for the damn thing, but sheesh...I'm gonna have to start making CD art like people do with those AOL discs soon! | |
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Anxiety said: I'm gonna have to start making CD art like people do with those AOL discs soon!
Why not give them away to friends? "...all you need ...is justa touch...of mojo hand....." | |
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TipN4U said: [color=blue:8cd6ecb6b7][/color][color=blue:8cd6ecb6b7]Well I have to stand up to this one BIG TIME
It's been long under cover that the Billboard systems of so called LABEL representations have needed an AUDIT for ages. Perks of RECORD LABELS and mishandled Monies to BID for TOP RATING spots on all kinds of charts have been OVERLOOKED. Prince;however, is doing the right thing... The RECORD COUNT is... as it STANDS high on the HONEST CHARTS.. Most ARTISTS would NEVER EVEN DARE to... give a CD at a venue they rather have you just REMEMBER the performance and thats it... WITH PRINCE he went beyond and gave a CD with his CONCERT (a real ARTIST) comes up with "GIVING" not taking. As for the so called BILLBOARD and other CHARTS I have to completely ... go against them for not telling the WHOLE TRUTH to their SO CALLED SYSTEM OF HONEST CHARTING. I have in the past had numerous conversations with people IN the business who know very well that RATINGS are oft PAID with PERKS from LABELS. (mayB I just opened a CAN OF WHOOP ASH) mayb its needed. Prince's RECORD SALES ARE MORE THAN A CHART... for once ... the charts are BEATEN and they don't know how to handle it... WELL HANDLE THIS "U mongrol CHART Rating INDUSTRY SHARK INFESTED SHADOWS" the shades are comin up on you too, cuz we the PEOPLE WANT HONESTY in the Business... SO GET TO IT... amen.U tell the truth my brutha. Prince is flippin the script on they're asses and they can't handle it. "Bow Down MF's,the Exodus has begun"!!!!! Thank you and GODBLISS SingMia[b][/color] U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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Madonna's tix cost more than P's and so does Elton John's tix. The material girl's top tix is $300 while EJ's is around $175 and thier fans r only getting a show. Prince's show and CD is $75 which is a hell of a bargain. 4 all u haters & complainers pick another artist of his stature who is giving u more bang 4 your buck. And when u can't find 1 please shut the "F" up! U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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realm said: EvilWhiteMale said: I would rather pay $70 to just see the concert instead of $80 for the concert and CD. In this situation, it's like a tax for me cuz I don't want the fucking thing.
Now ain't it a bitch, Prince made me go download the cd, Prince made me go to the store and purchase the cd, Prince made me go to the show and I had to pay $10 more for the cd! Just imagine, the amount of people that Prince tricks and they had no choice???! Maybe, they could put more options on concerts, I sometimes do not want to see the opening acts, and only want to see the headliners, just maybe I could have some sort of option to buy a ticket $5 less so I could show up late just to see the headliner U all need 2 check out the other top artists tix prices that r the same and sometimes more than P's are which really u could say that he is giving the cd's away. Now go back and look at the top tix prices during P's last 2 tours "one nite alone" and "Hit&Run" and they were comparable 2 other top notch acts on tour at the same time and mostly a little cheaper. I think that his prices have been pretty reasonable. And P did'nt make u download the cd u was just impatient! U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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ELBOOGY said: realm said: Now ain't it a bitch, Prince made me go download the cd, Prince made me go to the store and purchase the cd, Prince made me go to the show and I had to pay $10 more for the cd! Just imagine, the amount of people that Prince tricks and they had no choice???! Maybe, they could put more options on concerts, I sometimes do not want to see the opening acts, and only want to see the headliners, just maybe I could have some sort of option to buy a ticket $5 less so I could show up late just to see the headliner U all need 2 check out the other top artists tix prices that r the same and sometimes more than P's are which really u could say that he is giving the cd's away. Now go back and look at the top tix prices during P's last 2 tours "one nite alone" and "Hit&Run" and they were comparable 2 other top notch acts on tour at the same time and mostly a little cheaper. I think that his prices have been pretty reasonable. And P did'nt make u download the cd u was just impatient! Hey, I was being sarcastic! I'll just give away the extra copies this xmas! I have no gripes with paying what I did to see the show! Just seeing the acoustic set alone was worth it! No gripes about paying a lot for ONA, etc. My point is, Prince is selling you something and you have to be able to decide yes its worth it or not. No guns to anyones heads! | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: EvilWhiteMale said: It's good you guys entertain each other. Too bad your responses are worthless.
Stop fighting with me.  "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Anxiety said: For once I agree with ya...it was cool when I got one copy at the LA concert simulcast, because I felt like I was getting a preview and a jump on everyone who'd hear it when it came out in stores, but dang...I've been to two concerts since and I keep getting the damn things. Gimme a discount on my ticket, or give me a discount on a t-shirt or some shit, I dunno...I mean, it's not like I'll refuse a CD at future shows cuz I paid for the damn thing, but sheesh...I'm gonna have to start making CD art like people do with those AOL discs soon! Yup. By the way, stop it. You've agreed with me on stuff before. It's funny how so many people here start out by saying, "For once I agree with EvilWhiteMale." I need to start a count. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: Stop fighting with me. then stop puttin up a front. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: Anxiety said: For once I agree with ya...it was cool when I got one copy at the LA concert simulcast, because I felt like I was getting a preview and a jump on everyone who'd hear it when it came out in stores, but dang...I've been to two concerts since and I keep getting the damn things. Gimme a discount on my ticket, or give me a discount on a t-shirt or some shit, I dunno...I mean, it's not like I'll refuse a CD at future shows cuz I paid for the damn thing, but sheesh...I'm gonna have to start making CD art like people do with those AOL discs soon! Yup. By the way, stop it. You've agreed with me on stuff before. It's funny how so many people here start out by saying, "For once I agree with EvilWhiteMale." I need to start a count. Yeah, I agree ya are negative. | |
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realm said: ELBOOGY said: U all need 2 check out the other top artists tix prices that r the same and sometimes more than P's are which really u could say that he is giving the cd's away. Now go back and look at the top tix prices during P's last 2 tours "one nite alone" and "Hit&Run" and they were comparable 2 other top notch acts on tour at the same time and mostly a little cheaper. I think that his prices have been pretty reasonable. And P did'nt make u download the cd u was just impatient! Hey, I was being sarcastic! I'll just give away the extra copies this xmas! I have no gripes with paying what I did to see the show! Just seeing the acoustic set alone was worth it! No gripes about paying a lot for ONA, etc. My point is, Prince is selling you something and you have to be able to decide yes its worth it or not. No guns to anyones heads! U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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Madonna's tix cost more than P's and so does Elton John's tix. The material girl's top tix is $300 while EJ's is around $175 and thier fans r only getting a show. Prince's show and CD is $75 which is a hell of a bargain. 4 all u haters & complainers pick another artist of his stature who is giving u more bang 4 your buck. And when u can't find 1 please shut the "F" up!
Thank You!! That was the point I was trying to make, but some individuals jumped down my throat for it. Prince's show costs the same thing as Britney Spear's new concert and he's faar more of a real artist than she is and you don't get her new piece of crap album with that ticket price. So, for all the "fans"(my ass) who are telling me that "It is ridiculous to mention Prince as an artist who likes to give away anything for free to his fans because he apppreciates them . He is the first artist who comes to mind when I think about artists who are greedy and are bold enough to sue his own fans for whatever weird reasons . There's a huge difference between giving something away for free and making even more money by adding the price of a CD to a ticket price!!!" , this is for you. I don't see any other musician opting to give shit in a box away for the price of the show to their fans. It may be a marketing ploy, but I know that when I went to the record store, the Musicology album there cost $15 on sale. At least if I don't like the album that I get at the concert, I got to see a good show for my money. I could just not go to the show and go spend more money and buy it at the store and hate it and then what? I doubt both the show and the album are going to be crappy. One's going to be good if not both and that's the point I was trying to make. I do agree with the "opt-in" choice for future shows, because if someone goes to more than one show, why would you want more than one of the same album? Personally, I'm glad that Prince is being appreciated by a wider audience again as most fans should be, considering that most of the music at the top of the charts today is garbage compared to what the originals put out. He needs to be on top, so I don't have to suffer through all the people who lip-sync constantly and want to call themselves artists. He may have been an asshole at one point in time...shoot, he may still be one for all I know, because unlike some, I've never met or hung out with the man to pass that judgment on him. But, he's doing something that a lot of other artists, who are making millions, probably won't be willing to do. To sell your new album at just $10 doesn't give much to some artist's "Bling-Bling/Benz Fund" if you know what I mean. It's a noble idea, because Prince could be charging the same price as he did for his "One Nite Alone" tour and making people buy the album at $15 or more from Sam Goody. Give the man a break!SPREAD LOVE UNTIL THE SUN'S FINAL RISE--The Duality a.k.a. "WYNTER SKYE" | |
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BartVanHemelen said: sextonseven said: Prince doesn't care about the charts.
BS. Why sign with Sony? Why go on lame tv shows? Why sell out to Viacom? Why suddenly do radio interviews and other promo? Why revert back to greatest hits? Answer: he signed with major label and with major tour promotor to GET A HIT. Wrong. He signed with Sony to get paid! A major label can promote his new CD a lot better than little old NPG records can. You know how hard it is finding N.E.W.S. or The Rainbow Children in stores? Reverting back to a greatest hits tour likewise is bringing in the cash big time. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: EvilWhiteMale said: Stop fighting with me. then stop puttin up a front. A fronter, I am not. I prefer to keep it real "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Famboozled said: BorisFishpaw said: Hmm,
There's definitely something wrong with this, and it could open a pandora's box of problems. ...So there'd be nothing wrong, if say, Mariah Carey cut a deal with a chain of gas stations and gave away an album with every gallon of gas... and ended up topping the charts for a whole year with an album of her humming the theme tunes to TV shows in the bathroom? [This message was edited Fri Apr 30 13:06:26 2004 by BorisFishpaw] Gas isn't music related, and therein lies the difference. We're talking about a concert, not gas or a happy meal or some washing powder. a) it doesn't matter if it's music related or not. there's no rules. IF it's wrong and unfair, then it's wrong and unfair.... it's 2 SEPERATE products. there's a big difference between me going to see 'prince play the hits live' with my girlfriend as he's a great showman / memories of back in the day, etc and me deciding to go out and by his new album (which i hate - personal opinion). he's doing the tour to promore his new album, by 'playing the hits', therefore shouldn't it be MY choice after he's entertained me if i WANT his new album.... b) if by your thinking it DOES have to be music related, then how about SONY decide they NEED B2k's next record to break chart history - to get a buzz going,etc... they decide that EVERY SONY Music related Electronic Device the cost of the new album is hidden in it..... B2k's record is number one around the globe for a whole year.... does that make it better...? FYI - this has aleady happened. When Sony launched SACD (Super Audio CD) they gave you one free SACD disc out of a choice of 5. 'completley free', or in other words hidden in the cost. these DID count as official sales..... | |
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Universaluv said: BorisFishpaw said: You can see my point! Whether or not the sale is 'music related' doesn't come into it. By the same reasoning, a free CD given away with a magazine would count as a 'sale' too. So if an artist secured a deal with say, Rolling Stone magazine to cover-mount a free promo copy of their new album, they would count as sales. Even though the vast majority of people buying the mag would never have bought the CD otherwise. While I applaud Prince in getting his music into people's hands this way, I'm still against any 'free' item being counted as a 'sale', as it sets a dangerous precedent. "Free" is not the issue here though. Now if that issue of Rolling Stone cost you an extra 7 bucks than it normally would have, then you have a more comparable situation. . [This message was edited Sat May 1 9:52:49 2004 by Universaluv] it's not that easy. Rolling Stone wouldn't ADD tot he cover price - that would obviously hurt sales. (like how if prince had offered a 2 tier pricing system in the concert you KNOW full well, most poeple would've went for the cheaper price and waited to see on the album). anyway. what would happen with RollingStone is that to get the revenue to give Sony back the cost of the CD, they would just add a double page spead of adverts - the cost of which, spead over the entire print run would equal the reatail price paid to Sony per disc. so Boris's point is still as releavant. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: then stop puttin up a front. A fronter, I am not. I prefer to keep it real Get real.  | |
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ELBOOGY said: Madonna's tix cost more than P's and so does Elton John's tix. The material girl's top tix is $300 while EJ's is around $175 and thier fans r only getting a show. Prince's show and CD is $75 which is a hell of a bargain. 4 all u haters & complainers pick another artist of his stature who is giving u more bang 4 your buck. And when u can't find 1 please shut the "F" up!
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.??? you are supposed to have a choice about what you buy. the CD is not a free- gift by anyones inperpretation.... it a forced sale... who gives a fuck how much Madonna's tix are. you are paying to see her show. if you don't want to see the show. don't buy a ticket. | |
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Aerogram said: EvilWhiteMale said: A fronter, I am not. I prefer to keep it real Get real. Yeah.....funny.  "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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i think it's great that he did this. the more people who get copies of Musicology, the better. It's a great record, and hopefully will get more casual fans into buying his stuff from the last 10 years. | |
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JumpUpOnThe1 said: If he truly did set his mind on becoming relevant enough for his call to musicianship to actually have weight behind it, then this is a master stroke.
Kinda stupid when the first single from the album has a video where horn players pretend to play a part that comes from a KEYBORD. Plus there's plenty of loops and samples. JumpUpOnThe1 said: I'm more inclined to see it that way... its all a part of the plan to get Prince back in the conversation about music and where it's headed. Reaffirm that, hey, R&B and pop doesn't have to be totally producer driven and devoid of artistry.
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Dicktroit said: Prince in the begining was the one of the 1st to produce arrange and compose ...
Open your music history book to Stevie Wonder, Sly Stone, etc. Dicktroit said: meaing all royalities goes back to him
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sextonseven said: Wrong. He signed with Sony to get paid! A major label can promote his new CD a lot better than little old NPG records can. You know how hard it is finding N.E.W.S. or The Rainbow Children in stores?
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NME said: a) it doesn't matter if it's music related or not. there's no rules. IF it's wrong and unfair, then it's wrong and unfair....
You can bet your ass that if Michael Jackson had done this, Prince fans would be bitching about this injustice to high heavens. © Bart Van Hemelen
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moonshine said: Surely the choice was made when the consumer bought the concert ticket , they knew they were getting the album also ,they've paid for a product and got it .
- well, as much as I like to see Princey on charts again and starting a debate, I must say that there are several reasons that make people go to concerts and not necessarily because they want to buy the album. We had a Living Colour concert here in Rio. I brought several of my friends who were interested in good music and for the fun of watching the concert. But they didnt have their latest album (very good BTW), and most of them dont plan to buy it. Prince always sold many tickets. I read that in 97 or 98 he was one of the Top 10 artists that made more money from concerts. But how many people bought Chaos and Disorder? Anyway, it´s great to see Prince on charts and having his album well promoted. |
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BartVanHemelen said: You can bet your ass that if Michael Jackson had done this, Prince fans would be bitching about this injustice to high heavens.
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BartVanHemelen said: NME said: a) it doesn't matter if it's music related or not. there's no rules. IF it's wrong and unfair, then it's wrong and unfair....
You can bet your ass that if Michael Jackson had done this, Prince fans would be bitching about this injustice to high heavens. You can bet your ass if Michael Jackson had done this first Bart here would be complaining that Prince never does anything generous or creative like this for his fans. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: sextonseven said: Wrong. He signed with Sony to get paid! A major label can promote his new CD a lot better than little old NPG records can. You know how hard it is finding N.E.W.S. or The Rainbow Children in stores?
Heaps of them in stores here (Belgium). Nobody wants them. Who cares? A lot of good that does the casual fan in the U.S. that buys all their music at Wal-Mart. | |
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