I'm so disappointed....I really thought his album will debut at #1!! Blame it on the CD packaging-- I still think it's awful and reconsidered others from buying it...but congrats to Prince for his highest debut in over a decade!!

EvilWhiteMale said:

Don't you remember all those posts about Musicology not having a chance to do well? I'm not digging them out for you, that's for sure. If you've forgotten, then you'll just have to trust me.

moonshine said:

How 'bout this...with all the promotion, major label push, media coverage, and "free but chart eligible" CD's at concerts, Prince fails to out-sell MARIO WINANS? Who? Exactly...

Sony has to be disappointed with that...

mattmcbr said:

as if they are! fucking hell! who is mario winans? well his current single has a radio audience of over 100 million. what does musicology have? 7 million. yeah, thats abit of a difference! plus he has the p diddy production which lends instant crediability to a certain crowd. its not a case of prince failing anything too, someone else just sold more, if mario winans was currently at number 40 or something then i could understand, but the guys at number 2 selling a huge amount of records.

as for the charts not mattering, yeah they didnt matter, and they dont matter now in respect of us liking the record or not, but its not like we're going to ignore them to make a point now prince is on them. i mean, you're not ignoring them either (dont bother responding saying "but i never said i dont care about the charts!) you know. plus im fairly sure you predicted musicology would flop big time (it still might i guess, if retail sales plummet its going to be pretty obvious sales are sustained through the concert) but now you're saying "well we'll see how long people are still listening to it". i donthave any concrete evidence you predicted it would flop but i certainly have memories of it (but who's to say i arent making them up subconsciously cos it fits with your "hater" persona?)

wheres langebleu when you need him? he usually pops up when people become inconsistent!

According to MTV http://www.mtv.com/news/a...ince.jhtml

Even without concert sales, Musicology would have ranked #3.

Aerogram said:

I don't think I said it wouldn't sell well. I believe my consistent point was that it wouldn't catch on or become a memorable album. Lots of albums can sell well with the right promotion, but only a great album will not only stay on the charts, but be remembered for years. In time, it will be totally forgotten about by the general public. When people get asked about what albums they remember by Prince, Musicology will not be on that list.

I'd have to agree that "chart positions" don't mean much to me. (When was the last time I purchased and enjoyed a big "hit" album, anyway?) My tastes go to the more offbeat most of the time (as I would say is the case with most Prince fans). And radio has always been kind of an emptyheaded wasteland for me. (Maybe it's different in a more urban area than mine, with more options.)

Having said that, though, I'd have to admit that I'm happy to see Prince getting some attention out there. I mean, I love so much of his music, and this album, while nothing shockingly new or groundbreaking (to ME), is nicely accessible and sharp. For me, it's no "Sign O' the Times," but what album have you bought lately (by anyone) that is that inventive and varied?

I'm enjoying "Musicology" quite a bit, to be honest. And it's WAY cool to think that maybe some new folks are discovering the sort of fun pop stuff he can do in his sleep. (I might even dream that some kid might take up an instrument and decide to learn to play it--yeah, I'm an optimist.)

So this silly #3 debut sort of thrills me a tiny bit. I'd bet a lot of folks feel the same way.

Come on my Prince Fams! let's show them who's boss! and
who's playing the music right! We got him this Far. We
can keep on going stronger! .

Prince, do some more fancy footwork & knock Usher out of the spot!!! Let's keep pushin' to #1!!!

EvilWhiteMale said:

I distinctly remember you saying that it wouldn't chart well because it's not good music. Now you've moved it toward a long term outlook, which is fine. You can ask that question about anything really -- Norah Jones, Marilyn Manson, Beyoncé, etc. -- will their albums be truly remembered and loved? We'll know in a couple of years. Still you were out there saying Musicology wouldn't sell well, acting like you have a much firmer grip on reality. Well, here's reality today -- Prince in the Top 5, against all naysaying odds. Somewhere, Alex Hahn is thinking of adding an epilogue and changing a certain title.

Think of the BIGGER PICTURE >>>>>Prince has about 100 shows posted avg area holds 30,000 people add it up 3,000,000 units sold this is #1 fo sho this does not count new shows added and europe also, Usher many be #1 but he ain't touring in the States this summer cuz Prince is HOT and will stay hot so a new single doesn't matter thats the old way to think people Prince has done something no one else has done The show is the Machine only he can stop it..... what is going to interesting Prince is #1 will the radio be Forced to play the CD cuz its unheard of have thsi happen .....

EvilWhiteMale said:

As always when ever I come to the forum, there U R speading negativity. I'm starting 2 think that U are STALKING everyone of us

BTW, I let everybody in on the idea that U R BART!!

and oh yeah


PS GOOD JOB PRINCE AND SONY
[This message was edited Wed Apr 28 20:58:23 2004 by lmas]

and might i add, still no sign of TGE...to which I say, in honor of Dave Chapelle...

I'm Billboard, bitch!

I'm really proud of Prince and of Sony for pushing the CD the way they have for it to debut that high. It deserves the praise it's gotten and I really hope that he can stay up there in the charts but if he doesn't, it's ok. It's been a great ride and I really fell like were in the middle or even the early stages of something bigger happening. Who knows, but whatever happens, I'm going to be there for it.

asg said:

Why go there? (some) Prince fans are obsessed with the MJ Vs Prince thing.

Back on topic: This is good news for P. I bought the album the other day and it's pretty nice. "Illusion, Coma, Pimp & Circumstance" is great!

EvilWhiteMale said:

Marilyn Manson is an artist?!

Nice to see him in the charts again, he's been aiming for that for quite a while now.

But i'll agree with the 'haters' that chart succes shouldn't mean a lot on this site, because usually it is associated with bad, commercial, blabla music, and the average cd buyer is supposedly too stupid to recognise the genius of Prince.

The reason the cd is a succes is not the quality of the music you know. A few excellent performances, appearances, a good video, a big label to push the right buttons and line the right pockets, and a bunch of 40+ yr old reviewers with a bad case of nostalgia who smell a comeback story. That's all it takes.

Still nice he pulled it off.

Novabreaker said:

Um, yeah, hello!

First off, while I completely disagree with EWM on this, I have to say all the silly name-calling is pretty childish. He isn't Bart, he's got about ten times the brainpower working for him.

While its great that P is on the chart again, it really doesn't matter in the long run. Prince has proven himself time and again. I've bought his music when he was on top, and continued to buy it while he was in relative obscurity. As long as the dude is making music I enjoy, I'll be buying it, regardless of his chart position.

The dude finally got smart with his business moves, and that should be noted, even by folks who strongly dislike the music. As I stated in an earlier discussion with EWM, its not really relevant how good the music is, as long as its promoted right. Heck, anyone heard that steaming pile of dog turds that Usher has at #1? Plenty of good stuff never makes it on the charts, due to lack of promotion, while lots of crap charts consistently. Prince has finally figured out how to promote a disc properly (and, it must be said, a whole helluva lot of credit has to go to Sony. If they weren't behind this project, the whole thing would've tanked a'la "Rave", no matter how smart P was being about his business. I've bitched about how the labels do their business for a long time, and now I have to follow the flip of that and give these guys their props).

Personally, I really like Musicology. Its a good, solid effort on the whole. Is it one of his best discs? Nope, but that really doesn't matter. Does the disc's place on the chart mean its a great album? Not at all. Promotion baby, that's what its all about!

EvilWhiteMale said:

On this, you and I are in 100% agreement. Many people can't see past Manson's antics from 7 or 8 years ago. He's quite talented, and one helluva smart guy. He also puts on one of the best concerts I've ever seen. (and doncha know that it would probably irk a whole lot of folks on here to know that MM sites Prince as a major influence over and over?)

JediMaster said:

It's the same mentality of saying Prince is just a pervert who tries to shock people with his sexual lyrics and dancing. People see what they wanna see.

EvilWhiteMale said:

VERY true. P and MM both have so much more going on underneath the surface appearance of their stage personas.

JediMaster said:

I just saw last night on Howard stern, Rose McGowen (his ex) .. Apparently Marilyn also has a cocaine problem and some other drug problems.. I am not a Marilyn fan at all, BUT if you think he is talented.. I guarantee most of that talent is gonna go out the window.. or up his nose.. Rose said she left him becuase she couldn't see her spending her life with someone that had these addictions. Once again, i feel in a few years, all the fans of Manson will be saying.. "what talent, out the window"...

BabyCakes said:

Rose left Manson years ago. Does he still have a drug problem now? I hope Dita isn't dragged down with him if he does.

sextonseven said:

I am not really sure how long ago this interview was.. however, i doubt he all of a sudden stopped doing cocaine.. or any other drugs.. He lives the sex, drugs and rock and roll lifestyle.. (or whatever you wanna call his music)..

BabyCakes said:

On this, I do agree. He definitely lives the life of extreme excess. Anyone who does coke for very long will eventually hit rock bottom.

EvilWhiteMale said:

I tried...but I can't help...You put yourself in some damn positions that makes people wanna hit ya! Like...a annoying person walking on your front aND suddenly stops to pick it up something on the floor..and you look at that ass in front of you and you think "oh, man I'm gonna kick his ass"...
You get in this position very often here...And I guess You really like to be kicked in the ass SO LET ME KICK IT!!

go2theMax said:

You can do an online kick all you want. But in the real world, that ain't gonna happen.

EvilWhiteMale said:

don't bet on that ...and listen I got a biiiiig foot

2freaky4church1 said:

I would like him to release A million days and Life o the party or even Illusion, Coma. But I really would like A million days.