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Reply #30 posted 04/27/04 8:02pm

Famboozled

TheGoldExperience is on their own personal mission to discredit the sales of Musicology, despite all the fact-based information from reliable sources that shows the album is being bought in big numbers.

lol

It's really quite amusing. It's almost like a crusade, albeit a very ill-informed, incoherent one.

Well done Prince. 172,349 is none too shabby. Whether the album is great, good, ok or poor, none can deny it IS selling and it IS going to be a success.

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Reply #31 posted 04/27/04 8:02pm

JonSnow

Around the World in a Day did NOT debut at #1. If memory serves, it debuted at #14 and then jumped to #1 the next week. In those days, albums very RARELY debuted at #1.

I'm not sure where Batman debuted, but I doubt it was #1.

Musicology may be the highest debut of his career.
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Reply #32 posted 04/27/04 8:05pm

SassyBritches

JonSnow said:

Around the World in a Day did NOT debut at #1. If memory serves, it debuted at #14 and then jumped to #1 the next week. In those days, albums very RARELY debuted at #1.

I'm not sure where Batman debuted, but I doubt it was #1.

Musicology may be the highest debut of his career.

i don't know about atwiad but i have the issue of rolling stone from the week the batman soundtrack debuted on the charts. it did debut at 1.
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Reply #33 posted 04/27/04 8:07pm

JonSnow

SassyBritches said:

JonSnow said:

Around the World in a Day did NOT debut at #1. If memory serves, it debuted at #14 and then jumped to #1 the next week. In those days, albums very RARELY debuted at #1.

I'm not sure where Batman debuted, but I doubt it was #1.

Musicology may be the highest debut of his career.

i don't know about atwiad but i have the issue of rolling stone from the week the batman soundtrack debuted on the charts. it did debut at 1.



cool. then Musicology may be the SECOND highest debut of his career biggrin
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Reply #34 posted 04/27/04 8:21pm

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I think coming in third at 172,349 is very impressive. If you think about all the CD's that were given away during the Musicology Movie night and the Concerts before it went up for sell those are great numbers.

Way to go Prince!!

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Reply #35 posted 04/27/04 8:26pm

alandail

There was also this:

39 - PRINCE - WARNER BROS. - THE VERY BEST OF - 27,156


And it was #1 for the week at all of these places

http://www.hitsdailydoubl...gi?borders
http://www.hitsdailydoubl...en.cgi?vir
http://www.hitsdailydoubl...en.cgi?new
http://www.hitsdailydoubl....cgi?tower
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Reply #36 posted 04/27/04 8:54pm

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SassyBritches said:

JonSnow said:

Around the World in a Day did NOT debut at #1. If memory serves, it debuted at #14 and then jumped to #1 the next week. In those days, albums very RARELY debuted at #1.

I'm not sure where Batman debuted, but I doubt it was #1.

Musicology may be the highest debut of his career.

i don't know about atwiad but i have the issue of rolling stone from the week the batman soundtrack debuted on the charts. it did debut at 1.


Rolling Stone was not listing the Billboard album charts at that time. Batman did NOT debut at no.1. It eventually went to no.1 for 6 weeks, but Prince has never had an album DEBUT at no.1. Musicology is his highest debuting album ever on the Billboard album charts. Before Soundscan in 1991, only 6 albums entered at no.1: 2 Elton John albums and a Stevie Wonder record in the 70s, and albums from Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, and Bruce Springsteen in the 80s.

Purple Rain entered at no.11 and ATWIAD at no.14. I don't remember Batman's debut number, but it was not at no.1. All of his post-Soundscan albums debuted where they peaked, except Diamonds & Pearls, which entered at no.5 and climbed to no.3 the next week.
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Reply #37 posted 04/27/04 9:19pm

namepeace

renfield said:

SassyBritches said:


i don't know about atwiad but i have the issue of rolling stone from the week the batman soundtrack debuted on the charts. it did debut at 1.


Rolling Stone was not listing the Billboard album charts at that time. Batman did NOT debut at no.1. It eventually went to no.1 for 6 weeks, but Prince has never had an album DEBUT at no.1. Musicology is his highest debuting album ever on the Billboard album charts. Before Soundscan in 1991, only 6 albums entered at no.1: 2 Elton John albums and a Stevie Wonder record in the 70s, and albums from Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, and Bruce Springsteen in the 80s.

Purple Rain entered at no.11 and ATWIAD at no.14. I don't remember Batman's debut number, but it was not at no.1. All of his post-Soundscan albums debuted where they peaked, except Diamonds & Pearls, which entered at no.5 and climbed to no.3 the next week.



Good analysis, but to tell the truth, I could have sworn ATWIAD debuted in the top 5 and was No. 1 for some time, on the strength of Raspberry Beret. As a matter of fact, this site claims the album was No. 1 for 3 weeks.

http://princetext.tripod....lbums.html
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Reply #38 posted 04/27/04 9:33pm

JonSnow

namepeace said:

renfield said:



Rolling Stone was not listing the Billboard album charts at that time. Batman did NOT debut at no.1. It eventually went to no.1 for 6 weeks, but Prince has never had an album DEBUT at no.1. Musicology is his highest debuting album ever on the Billboard album charts. Before Soundscan in 1991, only 6 albums entered at no.1: 2 Elton John albums and a Stevie Wonder record in the 70s, and albums from Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, and Bruce Springsteen in the 80s.

Purple Rain entered at no.11 and ATWIAD at no.14. I don't remember Batman's debut number, but it was not at no.1. All of his post-Soundscan albums debuted where they peaked, except Diamonds & Pearls, which entered at no.5 and climbed to no.3 the next week.



Good analysis, but to tell the truth, I could have sworn ATWIAD debuted in the top 5 and was No. 1 for some time, on the strength of Raspberry Beret. As a matter of fact, this site claims the album was No. 1 for 3 weeks.

http://princetext.tripod....lbums.html
[This message was edited Tue Apr 27 21:24:59 2004 by namepeace]



It did hit #1 for 3 weeks - but it did not debut in the Top 5. It debuted at #14 - i remember it very clearly.

I was an obsessive Billboard junkie when I was a kid, LOL.
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Reply #39 posted 04/27/04 9:34pm

johnnyj

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Rolling Stone was not listing the Billboard album charts at that time. Batman did NOT debut at no.1.

What charts were they listing? I know Rolling Stone has had charts since I started reading in 1987. Was the calculation method different then, based on radio airplay or something else?
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Reply #40 posted 04/27/04 9:40pm

mkaye8

ATWIAD DEBUTED AT #1 .
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Reply #41 posted 04/27/04 11:03pm

renfield

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mkaye8 said:

ATWIAD DEBUTED AT #1 .


NO IT DID NOT! smile

ATWIAD arrived in stores with no single, no video, and no interviews. Remember, "Raspberry Beret" was released a few weeks after the album, because Prince initially didn't want any singles released. It arrived AT NUMBER FOURTEEN on the album chart, and jumped to no.1 shortly after. It was there for three weeks before the 'We Are The World' album bumped it. Guys, this is not "something I kinda remember," it's the facts as they happened. PRINCE HAS NEVER HAD AN ALBUM DEBUT AT NUMBER ONE.
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Reply #42 posted 04/27/04 11:05pm

renfield

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johnnyj said:

Rolling Stone was not listing the Billboard album charts at that time. Batman did NOT debut at no.1.

What charts were they listing? I know Rolling Stone has had charts since I started reading in 1987. Was the calculation method different then, based on radio airplay or something else?


Up until the early 90s, Rolling Stone used a "Reader's Poll" chart, based on all kinds of sources. Airplay, sales, college radio, what reader's were listening to, etc. Really, I think the editors just looked at the charts and decided what they thought they should look like.
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Reply #43 posted 04/27/04 11:56pm

Supernova

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I got this info via email, but with no link. I know there were a lot of people here who were asking about whether or not the cd's you get at the concerts would be counted as sales. Pay attention to the second half of the article.

The diminutive funk rocker will take over five
channels at once Wednesday, when MTV, MTV2, BET, VH1
and VH1 Classic simultaneously broadcast a 30-minute
concert special taped live last week before an
audience in New York.


The concert features songs from Prince's latest album,
Musicology, plus some of his classic hits.


"This historic broadcast, going out simultaneously
over the five most influential music networks, is a
tribute to the music and artistry of one of the most
singular talents of our time," said Columbia Records
exec Will Botwin. "With a fast-paced combination of
brilliant performances and compelling interviews, this
show will be remembered as one of the most special
entertainment events of the year."


Though each of Viacom-owned networks will air the same
musical lineup, the broadcasts will feature different
interviews with the singer--giving true fans a reason
to test the limits of their TiVos.


"The support for Musicology is wonderful," Prince said
in a statement. "We're pleased to broadcast the
Musicology special throughout the Viacom music
channels. It is great to see audiences around the
country embracing music again."


The Rock and Roll Hall of Famer is currently on his
first major arena tour in six years, promoting
Musicology, as well as reportedly performing his
best-known body of work live for the last time.


That's right--after the tour, the funk legend is
reportedly shelving classic hits such as "Purple
Rain," "Little Red Corvette," "Raspberry Beret"...and
the list goes on. The rationale? He claims he's been
"wanting to make room for new music."


He wants his fans to make room for new music as
well--to that end he's giving each concertgoer a copy
of Musicology at the door.


Originally touted by the singer as a free CD, tour
promoters have revealed that the cost of the album was
actually factored into the price of each concert
ticket--which ranged in cost from $47 to $75 in most
cities.


Fans who want to see the show are therefore given no
choice about buying the album (albeit at a discounted
price). However, judging by strong ticket sales and
positive tour reviews, it seems that most are okay
with ponying up for the CD.


However, some music industry insiders' feathers were
ruffled by Nielsen SoundScan's decision last week to
count each album passed out as a sold CD.


"These were presented to the public as being free CDs,
they are handed to people who had no choice in buying
them, and that really shouldn't be recognized as the
same as the other albums on the chart," one record
label executive told the Los Angeles Times last week.


The "free" CD strategy is expected to add 400,000 to
Prince's sales tally--just 100,000 short of certified
gold--and that's not counting the albums he sells at
retail.


To date, the Grammy-winning artist has sold more than
100 million records over his 20-year career.


He was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
last month in his first year of eligibility, where his
electrifying opening performance proved he's ready to
party like it's 2004.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #44 posted 04/28/04 1:07am

Prints

Very impressive sales, Prince. He will probably remain on TOP 5 next week, because of the MTV, vh1 and BET shows - really amazing publicity. This time the album is worth promoting. I hope that he releases something good in Blue Note (rumors might be true).
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Reply #45 posted 04/28/04 2:03am

DavidEye

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Kinda sad that he couldn't beat Mario Winans with all this promotion and "free" sales from the concerts...Usher is understandable...but MARIO WINANS?



what's sad is that Usher is still Number One
mad
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Reply #46 posted 04/28/04 2:46am

softandwet

yeah raspberry beret wasnt released, or at least it didnt get to number 2 (3?) in the charts until about 3 months after the album was released cos prince didnt want any singles released from it.

anyway, i dont get how 100,000 copies can have been done from the concert thing, i mean, regardless of whether TGE has "Proved it wrong" despite billboard saying otherwise, hitsdailydouble does over the counter sales doesnt it? so nothing has been added yet
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Reply #47 posted 04/28/04 2:49am

Edu

"Purple Rain" debuted at number 11 back in '84 on Billboard Chart, its chart run inside the top 10 was: 11 - 3 - 2 - * 1 * (for 24 weeks) - 2 - 3 - 3 - 5 - 7 - 7 and then 11

for "Around The World In A Day" it was :
debut: 14 followed by 5 - 2 - * 1 * ( 3 weeks) - 2 - 4 - 4 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 5 - 8 - 9 and then 12

for "Batman"
debut: 7 followed by * 1 * ( 6 weeks) - 3 - 5 - 5 and then 11

regarding Prince sales, if you are interested, take a look at:
http://www.prince.org/msg/7/91247
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Reply #48 posted 04/28/04 4:22am

Jasziah

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renfield said:

mkaye8 said:

ATWIAD DEBUTED AT #1 .


NO IT DID NOT! smile

ATWIAD arrived in stores with no single, no video, and no interviews. Remember, "Raspberry Beret" was released a few weeks after the album, because Prince initially didn't want any singles released. It arrived AT NUMBER FOURTEEN on the album chart, and jumped to no.1 shortly after. It was there for three weeks before the 'We Are The World' album bumped it. Guys, this is not "something I kinda remember," it's the facts as they happened. PRINCE HAS NEVER HAD AN ALBUM DEBUT AT NUMBER ONE.


thumbs up! Good job! I remember this as well.
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Reply #49 posted 04/28/04 4:30am

Cloudbuster

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manonearth said:

around the world in day debuted at number 1 and stayed there 3 weeks

batman did the same #1 stayed there 6 weeks..

parade # 3
grafiti bridge #3
sign o the times #6
lovesexy # 11
diamonds and pearls #3
symbol # 5
gold experience # 6


I could've sworn Graffiti Bridge peaked at no.6 in the US. hmmm
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Reply #50 posted 04/28/04 5:20am

Mazerati

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Edu said:

"Purple Rain" debuted at number 11 back in '84 on Billboard Chart, its chart on the top 10 was: 11 - 3 - 2 - * 1 * (for 24 weeks) - 2 - 3 - 3 - 5 - 7 - 7 and then 11

for "Around The World In A Day" it was :
debut: 14 followed by 5 - 2 - * 1 * ( 3 weeks) - 2 - 4 - 4 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 5 - 8 - 9 and then 12

for "Batman"
debut: 7 followed by * 1 * ( 6 weeks) - 3 - 5 - 5 and then 11

regarding Prince sales, if you are interested, take a look at:
http://www.prince.org/msg/7/91247
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in those days those were very high chart debut's
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Reply #51 posted 04/28/04 5:53am

wyld1

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final numbers here

http://www.hitsdailydoubl...lescht.cgi

1 - USHER - 257,074
2 - MARIO WINANS - 235,494
3 - PRINCE - 172,349
4 - NOW 15 - 100,412

big enough gap that the 17k concert giveaways won't have any impact at all. Now if they could count all of the concert giveaways for the week, he'd have a shot at #1. As it is, someone said a #3 debut may be the highest a Prince album has ever debuted.

Anyone know what Around the world in a day and Batman soundtrack debuted at? Those seem the most likely of the ones that weren't listed before to have had a high debut.


There are those who said his album wouldn't crack the top 10. Here it is at no. 3. I thought it would do well. It has exceeded my expectations.
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Reply #52 posted 04/28/04 5:57am

Jasziah

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wyld1 said:


There are those who said his album wouldn't crack the top 10. Here it is at no. 3. I thought it would do well. It has exceeded my expectations.


Hopefully this is just the beginning of more fun to come. Can you imagine us looking back at this 10 years from now saying, "How long has it been since Prince had a Top 40 album? Well, if you don't count that one time in 2004, it's been almost 20 years." I hope not.
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Reply #53 posted 04/28/04 6:09am

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Jasziah said:

wyld1 saidwhat's sad is that Usher is still Number One
mad


Not really, Usher's album is great, at least the cuts I've been hearing on the radio. It's great pop stuff that deserves to do well.


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Reply #54 posted 04/28/04 10:32am

BlueEyedAngel

This is taken from billboard.com

Prince's "Musicology" (Columbia), which the artist is giving away along with tickets to dates on his current tour, lands at No. 3 on The Billboard 200 on sales of 191,000 copies. That number includes about 17,000 copies that were given to fans at a South Carolina stop. The set gives the artist his best week on the chart since 1991's "Diamonds & Pearls" (Warner Bros.), which opened at No. 5 on sales of 172,000 copies.

Prince has spent much or the past few years releasing music directly through his NPG Music Club fan organization. "Musicology" is his first alignment with a major label since 1998's Arista release "Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic." That album sold 84,000 copies in its first week on the chart.
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Reply #55 posted 04/28/04 11:46am

namepeace

JonSnow said:

namepeace said:




Good analysis, but to tell the truth, I could have sworn ATWIAD debuted in the top 5 and was No. 1 for some time, on the strength of Raspberry Beret. As a matter of fact, this site claims the album was No. 1 for 3 weeks.

http://princetext.tripod....lbums.html
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It did hit #1 for 3 weeks - but it did not debut in the Top 5. It debuted at #14 - i remember it very clearly.

I was an obsessive Billboard junkie when I was a kid, LOL.



Well, you and Renfield know the chartings much better than I, so thanks to you two for clearing it up.

Man I can't believe it -- that was almost 20 years ago. I guess my memory HAS faded!

This is good info, y'all . . .
Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #56 posted 04/28/04 11:50am

namepeace

And to those who are disappointed with a No. 3 showing: think about it this way. Prince has been away from the top 10 album charts for so long that this is a welcome surprise. Shoot, him selling nearly 200,000 is a surprise. And Usher is at his zenith right now. Will he have an album debut in the top 10 in 2024? Doubtful.
Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

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Reply #57 posted 04/28/04 12:13pm

OdysseyMiles

namepeace said:

And to those who are disappointed with a No. 3 showing: think about it this way. Prince has been away from the top 10 album charts for so long that this is a welcome surprise. Shoot, him selling nearly 200,000 is a surprise. And Usher is at his zenith right now. Will he have an album debut in the top 10 in 2024? Doubtful.


Yeah, dancing is fine, but Usher better start practicing some geetar guitar .
In fact, they should make a rule that all the pop stars have to practice an instrument for 15-20 minutes a day. Britney, Jessica Simpson, all of 'em.
They don't know what they're missing.
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Reply #58 posted 04/28/04 5:49pm

mattmcbr

Mazerati said:

mattmcbr said:

Kinda sad that he couldn't beat Mario Winans with all this promotion and "free" sales from the concerts...Usher is understandable...but MARIO WINANS?



OK 1 MORE TIME the numbers you see today are actual sales and NOT the cd's givin away at the concert..and there are ONLY about 17,500 to be added....

anyway you have to remember these factors
1. many people downloaded the album already on the music club & several thousand free cd's from earlier concerts were not counted in this weeks total
2.Mario's song got played over 8,000 times this week on top 40 radio to Musicology's NONE
3.and Prince's last album to chart The Rainbow Choldran only got to #108 on the billboard chart

far from sad


1. "Free" CD's shouldn't be counted anyway...no one had a choice whether to "buy" the CD or not...how can that count?

2. 8.000 times? And why wasn't Musicology played once? I've heard it on the radio here...

3. TRC had nothing compared to Musicology's push...
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Reply #59 posted 04/28/04 5:57pm

fasteddie

its good to see ole boy classin up the joint. what a bunch of SUCK artists to have to share a top 10 with.....
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