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Reply #30 posted 04/27/04 7:05am

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Hmmm... Well, I always skip 'It' and 'U Got The Look'.

The last time I listened to the Sign O' The Times album, I was surprised at just how many songs just seemed to plod on endlessly. My fast-forward finger was itching halfway through 'Hot Thing' and 'I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man'. I guess I've over-played the album and need to rest it for a little while.

Sign O' The Times wins but if this thread was 'Musicology' Vs 'Batman' - well, I really don't know anymore. The Top Ten in my head has definitely shifted.


What?!?! You fast forward through 'I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man'??? P's guitar playing on the end is mad skilled and funky. That's one of the best things on the whole album. When I hear that part, I dust off my air guitar. . . and I'm a girl!!!

I'm gon' pray for you. . .
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Reply #31 posted 04/27/04 7:06am

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Sorry, but this thread needs to be drug out into the street and shot.

no offence tho smile
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Reply #32 posted 04/27/04 7:09am

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are we running out of things to talk about?

hmmm
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Reply #33 posted 04/27/04 7:11am

DavidEye

Spookymuffin said:

sro100 said:


And what do y'all think?


Sorry to sound harsh, but snipperoonie - anx mad. SOTT and Musicology aren't even meant to be compared; Musicology doesn't try to break new ground, Musicology is not a "Sign of the Times," Sign of the Times was experimental, Musicology is not. The Musical styles of the album (possibly excluding Housequake) don't even compare.

How can you compare material from two completely different eras, especially one which was groundbreaking, and the other's just a regular album.

mad demon snipperoonie - anx .




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Reply #34 posted 04/27/04 8:57am

Luv4oneanotha

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sro100 said:


And what do y'all think?


Sorry to sound harsh, but I think you're a snipperoonie - anx mad. SOTT and Musicology aren't even meant to be compared; Musicology doesn't try to break new ground, Musicology is not a "Sign of the Times," Sign of the Times was experimental, Musicology is not. The Musical styles of the album (possibly excluding Housequake) don't even compare.

How can you compare material from two completely different eras, especially one which was groundbreaking, and the other's just a regular album.

mad demon snipperoonie - anx .



I did do a huge rant here about all these comparison threads, and no logical or interesting discussions, but computer crashed edit sad
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Reply #35 posted 04/27/04 9:03am

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gooeythehamster said:

But indeed.

You are right. The deep lyrical content of Mucicology is showing us Prince had recorded his masterpiece. No mythological three record disc with divine songs like Sign O The Times can beat it. Sign O The Times is a silly collection of strange songs, while Musicology is SO clearly a masterpiece in substance.

Who needs stupid songs like If I Was Your Girlfriend when you can play even deeper introspective lyrics like Illusion, Coma, Pimp & Circumstance? I never understood If I Was Your Girlfriend anyways, I mean; what the fuck? Is he gay or sumthing?

I indeed like the superb guitarsolo's on the track Musicology way better than that whack guitar picking like that on I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man or The Cross.

Who needs The Cross anyway? Ever since Prince found the truth it has been The Christ anyways.

And that inferior photography of the vynil version of Sign O The Times? What was Prince thinking; wearing a miniskirt?
The cover pic is also unclear. What a whack job.

















































Oh, holy crap! That was the funniest damned shit I've read in ages. I thought you were serious for a few seconds there! I really thought "oh no, Gooey's lost his mind! Thanks for the laugh!
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Reply #36 posted 04/27/04 9:04am

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I think everyone's entitled to their own opinions and stuff without another person bashing them for it...thats whats I think. neutral
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Reply #37 posted 04/27/04 9:07am

Spookymuffin

CherrieMoonKisses said:

I think everyone's entitled to their own opinions and stuff without another person bashing them for it...thats whats I think. neutral


Yeah, kinda got really annoyed tho - I mean, in my opinion, and clearly many of the other people's here, SOTT is not even worth comparing with Musicology because it's so far ahead. Prince readily admits that this is a "pop" record, whereas SOTT is groundbreaking experimentation. Sorry, but this is just when all these comparison threads go too far - I think the guy was just looking to start an uproar.
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Reply #38 posted 04/27/04 9:09am

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sro100 said:

Which one do you prefer?

I'd go with "Musicology" but I never really liked "Sign O The Times" as a whole; just sounds random songs to me while Musicology has more of a flow.

And what do y'all think?


First off, Musicology is a nice little album. SOTT is P's greatest work. Its his equivilant of "Revolver", "Songs In The Key Of Life" or "Pet Sounds". Not to bash your opinion (no matter how misguided it may be), but you are unlikey to find too many people who will go with you on this one.


Oh, and you really should seek out help for your crack addiction. There are lots of centers in every major city. Look in the phone book, probably under "Drug Treatment Centers". There is, no doubt, an organization that can help you leave the pipe for good in your town.
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Reply #39 posted 04/27/04 9:11am

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CherrieMoonKisses said:

I think everyone's entitled to their own opinions and stuff without another person bashing them for it...thats whats I think. neutral


Absolutely, but when you post something like that, you can pretty much expect a reaction like this. Its the equivilant of going onto a Beatles message board and declaring Paul's newest album to be better than "Sgt Pepper". Folks are entitled to their opinion, but they really should expect such a reaction.
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Reply #40 posted 04/27/04 9:14am

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Spookymuffin said:

CherrieMoonKisses said:

I think everyone's entitled to their own opinions and stuff without another person bashing them for it...thats whats I think. neutral


Yeah, kinda got really annoyed tho - I mean, in my opinion, and clearly many of the other people's here, SOTT is not even worth comparing with Musicology because it's so far ahead. Prince readily admits that this is a "pop" record, whereas SOTT is groundbreaking experimentation. Sorry, but this is just when all these comparison threads go too far - I think the guy was just looking to start an uproar.

Why couldnt he just be naively posting a thread? U know there are alot of newbies here and they may say stupid stuff. Not that Im saying this thread is innocent but all in all, it wouldve been a different story had he created it by tearing SOTT apart and hailing Musicology as the best thing ever, but he didnt. It seems like sometimes you cant even innocently post something without someone jumping all over you for it. Good thing Im somewhat of a veteran. eek
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Reply #41 posted 04/27/04 9:37am

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CherrieMoonKisses said:

Spookymuffin said:



Yeah, kinda got really annoyed tho - I mean, in my opinion, and clearly many of the other people's here, SOTT is not even worth comparing with Musicology because it's so far ahead. Prince readily admits that this is a "pop" record, whereas SOTT is groundbreaking experimentation. Sorry, but this is just when all these comparison threads go too far - I think the guy was just looking to start an uproar.

Why couldnt he just be naively posting a thread? U know there are alot of newbies here and they may say stupid stuff. Not that Im saying this thread is innocent but all in all, it wouldve been a different story had he created it by tearing SOTT apart and hailing Musicology as the best thing ever, but he didnt. It seems like sometimes you cant even innocently post something without someone jumping all over you for it. Good thing Im somewhat of a veteran. eek


I agree with you, on the whole. I get really tired of folks ripping into someone just because they express themselves. I just think this person was trying to stir something up, and you could pretty well expect that response. That's why I worded mine in such a way that wasn't rude, but also poked a little bit of fun. Personally, I thought Gooey had the very best response on this thread. More people should take this kind of thing with a bit of humour.
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Reply #42 posted 04/27/04 9:58am

Spookymuffin

JediMaster said:

CherrieMoonKisses said:


Why couldnt he just be naively posting a thread? U know there are alot of newbies here and they may say stupid stuff. Not that Im saying this thread is innocent but all in all, it wouldve been a different story had he created it by tearing SOTT apart and hailing Musicology as the best thing ever, but he didnt. It seems like sometimes you cant even innocently post something without someone jumping all over you for it. Good thing Im somewhat of a veteran. eek


I agree with you, on the whole. I get really tired of folks ripping into someone just because they express themselves. I just think this person was trying to stir something up, and you could pretty well expect that response. That's why I worded mine in such a way that wasn't rude, but also poked a little bit of fun. Personally, I thought Gooey had the very best response on this thread. More people should take this kind of thing with a bit of humour.



I would normally, but I got suspended from school today mad sad
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Reply #43 posted 04/27/04 10:39am

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whodknee said:

I think the better comparison would be between Musicology and Rave. Both are comeback attempts with a couple of above average songs, some decent songs, and some not so decent songs. Both lack real standout, signature tracks that could drive the album home. Take The Love Below for example. If one were to believe the album to be terrible-- which I certainly don't-- there's atleast Hey Ya on it. People will remember it if nothing else. For me, Musicology is already fading away after one week. I would say it's old age creeping up on me but I'm still fond of TRC and recent albums from other artists. smile



Well SOTT wins definitely but MUSICOLOGY is definitely a good CD.....who cares what people remember a CD for???? I see that People will forever place stock and their value and worth in how other people view them...and their creativity sad


Read what I said again. I brought it all back to myself. I only mentioned the public opinion because Musicology is aimed at a large audience and hence the comparison to Rave. The Love Below was my example of what such an album should be like.

Dammit you can read! I shouldn't have to explain this. lol
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Reply #44 posted 04/27/04 11:00am

Haystack

sro100 said:

Which one do you prefer?

I'd go with "Musicology" but I never really liked "Sign O The Times" as a whole; just sounds random songs to me while Musicology has more of a flow.

And what do y'all think?



The question you pose is 'which one do you prefer?', rather than 'which is the greatest achievement?' and I may be the only person to genuinely say this, but I prefer Musicology (and most of Prince's back catalogue) to Sign O The Times.

It's clear that 'Sign' is an amazing record and the work of a true genius, but that doesn't mean that it becomes automatically enjoyable. In fact, I have to say that it's probably the one Prince album that I play the least - it just does very little for me.

The title track, Play In The Sunshine, Housequake, If I Was Your Girlfriend, I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man and The Cross are the only ones I particularly care for, but the rest of the album bores me to death.

And I'll never understand what makes 'Adore' so special, seriously.

I'm clearly in a minority here, but I don't give a fuck.
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Reply #45 posted 04/27/04 5:45pm

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There's 2 of us.

Haystack said:

sro100 said:

Which one do you prefer?



The question you pose is 'which one do you prefer?', rather than 'which is the greatest achievement?' and I may be the only person to genuinely say this, but I prefer Musicology (and most of Prince's back catalogue) to Sign O The Times.

It's clear that 'Sign' is an amazing record and the work of a true genius, but that doesn't mean that it becomes automatically enjoyable. In fact, I have to say that it's probably the one Prince album that I play the least - it just does very little for me.

The title track, Play In The Sunshine, Housequake, If I Was Your Girlfriend, I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man and The Cross are the only ones I particularly care for, but the rest of the album bores me to death.

And I'll never understand what makes 'Adore' so special, seriously.

I'm clearly in a minority here, but I don't give a fuck.
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Reply #46 posted 04/27/04 5:49pm

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Oh man...

Musicology vs. Sign 'O' The Times is the most lopsided battle since any one of those anonymous Chinese guys got the shit kicked outta them by Bruce Lee in all his movies.

Musicology is a great pop album, but come on already, SOTT just kills the poor thing.
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Reply #47 posted 04/27/04 6:50pm

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you're nuts!
throw musicology away before you hurt yourself!
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Reply #48 posted 05/04/04 10:27am

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JediMaster said:

gooeythehamster said:

But indeed.

You are right. The deep lyrical content of Mucicology is showing us Prince had recorded his masterpiece. No mythological three record disc with divine songs like Sign O The Times can beat it. Sign O The Times is a silly collection of strange songs, while Musicology is SO clearly a masterpiece in substance.

Who needs stupid songs like If I Was Your Girlfriend when you can play even deeper introspective lyrics like Illusion, Coma, Pimp & Circumstance? I never understood If I Was Your Girlfriend anyways, I mean; what the fuck? Is he gay or sumthing?

I indeed like the superb guitarsolo's on the track Musicology way better than that whack guitar picking like that on I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man or The Cross.

Who needs The Cross anyway? Ever since Prince found the truth it has been The Christ anyways.

And that inferior photography of the vynil version of Sign O The Times? What was Prince thinking; wearing a miniskirt?
The cover pic is also unclear. What a whack job.

















































Oh, holy crap! That was the funniest damned shit I've read in ages. I thought you were serious for a few seconds there! I really thought "oh no, Gooey's lost his mind! Thanks for the laugh!


Mmmm
Bummer. I had hoped someone would not see SARCASM while it was flashing over the screen.

I thought a silly thread needed a response that was equally silly.

But I had SO much fun typing it as well, so double the fun.
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Reply #49 posted 05/04/04 10:45am

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Musicology just hasn't hit me like SOTT did. I'm giving it a listen about every other day, just to let it percolate. I'm really digging ICPC (no, not Insane Clown Posse Clan) but maybe I like it becuz it's the second tune - I hear it a lot...

Talk about songs plodding on, Musicology itself, (the song) seems to go on and on after the verses. Sign O The Times (the song) did the same thing, but with enough interesting space and little tinkles in there to keep my attention.

Of course, I'm 15 years older now. Maybe my attention span on a record aint the same. Cinnamon Girl sounds like a throwaway, Dear Mister Man sounds too heavy handed, (not to mention, I get totally put off by the black vs. white songs that he writes - they just ain't that deep.)

Life O The Party, so highly touted as a jam, was such a let down. I'm still listening, but just about ANYTHING on Sign O The Times would blow that song away.

Reflection is a YAWN.

So, there's my opinion, comparing the two records. But I'll go give the Ology a lissen again, see what sticks to the wall.
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