EvilWhiteMale said:

I actually agree with that. ADAN is one of my very favorites..I think his version is better than Jill's. Just heard this funked up version of WFTP...it was great! I miss the old days.


I think he should do more stuff like the slaughterhouse and chocolate invasion. They are both quite funky and it doesn't seem like he was making any of the music with a large audience in mind...just the fans.

I think it's going to be hard to follow up Musicology....lots of buzz buzz buzz for this mainstream radio friendy album. I think the one of the only ways he may get buzz is to do an album with W&L...or maybe a Revolution album (which may or may not turn out good)...and not an instrumental one either. He can still keep the buzz going but he's going to have to work at it. Once you stop buzzing people stop listening...at least on a mass scale.

It'd be cool to see Xpectation put out as a smaller side-project release, but I think it would be helped greatly if they would add Xenophobia to the tracklisting... then again I've only heard the live versions, and seems like some people who had heard the studio cut said it was a little weak sounding in comparison. But damn, hearing it live was amazing, that is some progressive funk.

Chacmool said:

I've heard it.. its very mellow like xpectation.. seems like there was no energy in the song.. just mellow and jazzy sounding.. thats it.

Taureau said:

WTF? I kindly advise you to not throw around with words before checking their meaning. Or you might get things terribly wrong.

Man, in all seriousness, as much as I like the Musicology album, I can't help hope it's like his "1999" album in the sense that it's Prince's predecessor to something amazing. Musicology has got everybody's attention again, I'd really like to see something really spectacular now. For example, I don't care what style, (preferably accessible!) something really well produced, (i thought so many songs on Musicology suffered because of the production), and some AMZING guitar work, (minus the cheesy synth sounds!)

Man, it would just kick ass if the next album was an absolute monster.

Just my opinion.

If it will be jazz, i won't fucking buy it!

Anxiety said:

Now THAT gets my FULL approval! That would be awesome. I love that ikle Wreka

It hands-down pummels the crap outta 'N*E*W*S - which let's face it, aint no jazz album anyway - and experimantal? Ha! Dont get me started.

Ubiquity said:

Words like jazz you mean?



EXIT <----- use it

Taureau said:

No. words like "purist" and "ignorant". I am neither one of them. Obviously you didn`t quite understand my point. Or didn`t want to.

I'm sure that his next album will be really weird. Nothing like Musicology.

Ubiquity said:

Ok. For some reason you failed to mention the other possibility, that I didn't 'agree' with your point.

Ubiquity said:

From messages posted on the alternative Prince fansite, Housequake, together with his track record of late, and rumours that either Xpectation, or 'live' instrumentation is being touted.

Ubiquity said:

First I thought you were trying to be technical, and suggesting that the albums you mention were 5/4 time, but that's just silly, and I now realise you mean the number of albums.

So, your point is that these albums you mention are not jazz, yet they do however possess slight jazz influences. Your point is simple. It seems you already have a preconception of 'jazziness'. However, you feel that that for music to be defined as 'jazz', a minimal level of 'jazziness' has to be obtained. Am I wrong?

Ubiquity said:

I totally agree. Plain and simple. But if one where to release a jazz album, one would preferably approach those sponsors that have earnt a reputation with such a genre, or rather, are today perceived as primary supporters. Granted, most of Miles' stuff was on Columbia for example, but these days, you think 'jazz' (including the easy-listening/lounge/country mallarky 'jazz' of Norah), then you immediately think 'Blue Note'.

Ubiquity said:

So your point here is that you know Prince can't play jazz, and therefore you would never want to hear his attempt.

Primary examples of Prince jazz asside, your statement is like saying, "I know that the Bob Dylan can't break dance," which naturally demands a certain degree of insight into the life of Dylan unexposed by media. However you are undoubtedly discrediting those Prince albums you have previously referred to as having slight 'jazz influences'.


So, in essence, I disagree with how you classify jazz. I'd be interested to know whether you classify Ubiquity as jazz.


You're not ignorant, but maybe you're purist, and I'm cool with that. Like, whatever.

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Taureau said:

Yeah, the darker and heavier version.

Taureau said:

Ubiquity said:

Taureau said:

I like the jazz influenced stuff he's done..but i think i would like a straight out rock disc next, hella lotta guitars and the Lovesexy trippy vibe going non stop in the background!!!!

Taureau said:

Wow, what an insightful view and well phrased expression of yours, I am amazed!

Ubiquity said:

Erm, what can I say? Erm, Ubiquity's a great album, I love it. I love all good jazz. Especially the funkier fusion stuff.

Taureau said:

I want the funk and nothin but the funk on his next one and a jazzy-funk fusion onthe one after that

Taureau said:

Hmm .. I wonder why even Roy Ayers recently said that Ubiquity is the greatest Funk album he has ever made ...

Ubiquity said:

Because it's damn funky! But as you described those Prince albums, it has jazz leanings...in terms of chord changes, mode of improvisations, etc. etc. blah blah blah.

I hate categorising music, but sometimes when communicating ideas you gotta, so personally, like most folks, jazz (like 'rock') comes in many colours and forms, sub genres. Most folks know if something sounds 'jazzy'...same with 'funky'. If someone finds it easier to be black n white with such things then whatever makes it easier, no problem with that. But to disagree that 'jazz-fusion' is not jazz is like saying the Chili Peppers are not rock. No one has ever laid down the rules as to what jazz is... just check out the quotes of louis armstrong. Whether you listen to bop, swing, cool, free, latin, fusion, it's all jazz to me, but one would be more classically sounding to me, just as Son House would be more classical sounding to me than Led Zeppelin, but it's all blues.

Ummm, not to be a killjoy on the speculation here, but Bluenote is in negotiations to release Xpectation and C-NOTE (this is the "live instrumentals" disc that has been discussed). Beyond that, there hasn't been any real discussion of future releases. Now, if this is a success, I would love for Prince to do lower-key releases on a label like Blue Note, and then do more commercial projects on a major. He could release an album every year, with one being more experimental stuff that his hardcore fans would love, and the next year's being a more accessible CD for the general public. We'll just have to see, now won't we?

Anxiety said:

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In answer to the topic, I'd love to see something that developed on the sounds and musical ideas on The Rainbow Children.

I'd like to see more like Xpectation too (but not S.N.O.O.Z.E. )

JediMaster said:

You're not a killjoy Jedi, you're tellin it how it is, or how the rumour is at least. I think releasing C-NOTE is a bizarre idea...the only folks interested in that kinda stuff are us lot...besides the Empty Room track, the rest is essentially (albeit funky) rehearsal meanderings. But your idea of releasing the experimental stuff on a separate major is interesting - as far as I'm concerned, if hardcorers are the only folks that are gonna buy into the experimental stuff, then it's probably more viable business sense to just continue releasing that through his new NPGMC download system.

I love Jazz and for that reason can’t stand NEWS, TRC or Xpectation. I got no problems

with Prince trying his hand at Jazz again, I just hope he’s more fully digested the form

and is able to come out with something decent. What I’d really to hear is a full record of

songs like “2 Nigs United…” a near perfect and uniquely Prince hybrid of Jazz and Funk.

Taureau said:

I hate categorizing as well, so we agree here. To me there`s only good and bad music. And it wasn`t us who threw this thread in the mix, so we didn`t start it. But it`s there now, and I simply don`t agree that Prince has made Jazz albums before. Very true, some of his material has Jazz-leanings, but just that. It doesn`t make them Jazz albums.

Ubiquity said:

Whatever makes it easy.

Ubiquity said:

While its true that they aren't pure jazz, they are highly jazz influenced. I'd put them more in a category with jazz/funk fusion than anything else. Still, its unlikely to appeal to anyone who doesn't care for jazz.

Taureau said:

I definitely agree that the download system is a better way to go for his more experimental tracks, but he's obviously looking for some other way to distribute this stuff (since "Xpectation" and "C-NOTE" have been previously released on the website). If he is going to go this route, then a smaller label like BlueNote may be the way to go, while releasing his more "public friendly" albums to a major. I still think he'll only do this for full-length albums, while one off songs and live tracks will still be exclusive to the download store. Too bad he couldn't have worked some sort of deal like this with WB back when he was fueding with them. They could have kept him fairly happy if they'd allowed him to do low-key releases like "The Undertaker". The label wouldn't have really lost anything, since only the hardcore fans would have bought it.

JediMaster said:

Now that's a whole new look at things and I agree. However, I know quite a few jazz musicians. None of the are purists, but none of them would look at any Prince album as a Jazz-album. Especially not TRC as often stated.

Ubiquity said:

It's jazz. Now stop it.