liltalkm said:

Exactly!!! Prince has called this album a POP album and has said that for THIS particular project, he needed a corporate conglomerate to push for the promotion. His main thing is getting the music out there, but sure he would like for it to be a commercial success. Not sure if that means he necessarily wants to be "uptown" like he was during the '80s, but it seems to me that he does want it to be success...and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that!!!! He works hard...the hardest working artist in modern music...so why not get some reward for it????

EvilWhiteMale said:

Well because Prince has put himself back out there like that. I mean Prince has been underground (A point I think you and a few other haters have missed by the way.) So chart postion and sales really aren't a factor when you are underground. Since he has comeback to the mainstream those things become a marker or indicator of success on that level. You see what I mean. I don't think that is hypocritical because in this arena chart position and ticket sales matter.
Right now we are witnessing a media blitz than can only happen to major star with a major label behind them. I mean the man is everywhere. This is almost like PR only this time he is doing interviews. I think hell actually I, you, Sony and everyone else knows that if the record does not do well or chart high with all this behind it then there might be a problem. So at least for me I am watching the charts and hoping the record does well.
Also and to be completely honest. I want it to do well so that you and all your hater bretheren can eat some serious crow! After years of listening to you guys call him a has been and saying his career is over. I am enjoying all the media attention you guys said he would never get again. Now all that is missing is a high chart position and great sales and then what are you going to say? I am sure it won't be nice but then hey would be EWM if it was?
Peace

To me personally, they still don't matter. I simply get great delight and satisfaction from the fact that most of the folks who've said numerous times that Prince was through and would never get good reviews, great sales, and top chart positioning again are feeling really stupid right about now, and are posting "why do reviews, sales, and charts suddenly matter threads?"

SexyBeautifulOne said:

What saddens me is that this supposed comeback and the great reviews are behind an average album. I like it but it's nowhere near TRC, PR, and SOTT which would be more deserving of such praise. Prince apparently fashioned this album as a blatant POP album in an attempt to return to the mainstream like he did with Rave. That tells me he doesn't have the spark and confidence to make something really daring and comeback in a real way.

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad he's getting this attention he's wanted. This could get non-fans to want do the homework and find the real Prince gems.

I guess holding him up to his past standards isn't fair.
[This message was edited Sat Apr 24 8:28:36 2004 by whodknee]

EvilWhiteMale said:

no, he might challenge them like he did after purple rain. doubtful i know, but possible...

preciosa863 said:

If your button is being pushed, maybe you need to glue it shut.

chiltonmusic said:

SexyBeautifulOne said:

I'm certainly not feeling stupid. The album is still terrible and I have yet to see it high up on the real charts. And even if it did hit #1, so what? It got good promotion. But that's yet to be seen anyway.

dawn74 said:

Usually jokes work because they're based on some truth.

whodknee said:

Good points, though I still think TRC is complete trash.

I think he could have had just as much attention and possibly even more sales of Rave if he released it today with the same promotion. The album is better, but still lame. It's totally on the same level as Musicology.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Dude you go around bashing the man's new music all the time. Outside of the RRHOF after party I honestly can't remember a kind thing you have said about the man.Also I am not about to go through all these threads to show you evidence of you putting Prince down. The statements I said you may not have said exactly but I seem to rememeber you somewhere saying he was washed up. I think I am in the ballpark with your general vibe. If I am wrong then I stand corrected but I don't think so. You call yourself a hater I don't know what other fact I need than that. And anwer the question what are you going to say if this sells well and charts high?
Peace

chiltonmusic said:

I'll say he got excellent promotion.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Well I will take what I can get then

SassyBritches said:

Its true...but once you think about it, there are a lot of people who dont care for Prince anyways, and Prince is an artist to do things for himself; and things that he respects-so in essence it doesnt matter, we all know who prince is...hes just prince

EvilWhiteMale said:

Wow, every release since New Power Soul? That's six years. If a damsel in distress waited 6 years for her Prince to comeback, I'd call her a dumb bitch for continuing to wait around. But since... you're not a damsel... I'll just believe Dansa pr!nc3 pw0nz j00

psykosoul said:

Just keep giving me attention my friend. Let's see how far you're willing to go.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Fuck attention...answer this question. After 6 years of crap, why are you still here? I don't want any bullshit answer about free country, I can post where I want, etc. I want to know why Prince deserves your time after 6 years of crappy music?

psykosoul said:

Prince isn't getting any of my time, the Org is.


Now, why do you feel the need to stalk me?

EvilWhiteMale said:

You want attention, you're fucking getting it. Is it annoying?
And you can't manage to answer my question without being a smart-ass. And folks wonder why you're opinions aren't taken seriously. Why do you still take an interest in Prince if he hasn't released anything good in 6 years.

psykosoul said:

I take more interest in the Org than I do in Prince. But in all honesty, I do keep up with what Prince does cuz once in a blue he'll do something worth a damn.

Now why do you feel the need to dedicate so much time to me, and use my quotes all the time in your sig?

EvilWhiteMale said:

:fronteroftheyearaward:



No man, I don't take interest in you. It's your Org persona that I keep up with. Once in a blue moon you'll say something that's worth a damn. Doesn't that make you feel special




[This message was edited Sat Apr 24 13:46:48 2004 by psykosoul]

psykosoul said:

If you were a chick I'd feel more special with you following me around all the time. I'm not into guys. Sorry.

EvilWhiteMale said:

[This message was edited Sat Apr 24 13:45:59 2004 by psykosoul]

Creepy stalkers must die.

It's not really that they matter. It's that Prince is getting the recognition he deserves for a lifetime of work. And he's doing it on his terms and changing the rules of the game while doing it.

Those albums given away at the concerts WILL be counted as record sales. He is changing the system to make it work for him.

Because we are human -- do we not sin, are we not full of hypocrisy?

and no, prince is not being recognized for his lifetime of work -- less than more even know anything about his lifetime of work

This thread is interesting.

I can see EWM's point, in that for years Prince hasn't received much media attention, and releasing independent records with hardly any promotion - he was also getting largely mediocre reviews.

Many fans were saying 'reviews don't matter', 'it's all about the music' etc, etc.

Now he has major label backing and a big promotional budget, he's receiving good reviews and much more media attention - many fans are now putting weight behind reviews and pointing out how good Musicology is in their opinion, with said opinions being backed up these positive reviews.

To me, I don't hear anything on Musicology that I haven't heard before from Prince - some it sounds like Emancipation, some of it sounds like Truth, some of it sounds like New Power Soul, some of it sounds like Rave.

All these albums are from the wilderness years when he was getting less than stellar reviews.

Most fans want to see their favourite artists do well, nothing wrong with that - I guess we get a sense of validation from it.

But the positive reviews of Musicology have very little to do with the quality of music on that record, because it has much of the same production and writing values of the albums I listed above.

Musicology's success is part timing, part industry mechanics and not much else. He could have released any of the albums released under his name(s) 1996-2001 and I imagine they would have received much the same reviews as Musicology.