Why does Michael Jackson's name keep popping up in this forum? And can we please stop it with the whole "this vs.that" nonsense? It's really childish,guys.

DavidEye said:

Sorry Dad.

Vince is almost three years old. What about 'Musicology' vs. 'The Love Below'? Andre and Prince get compared quite often these days.

Vince is a nice album, but way too long and I don't like records which have too much filler. If you cut down Vince to a 12 Song record you get a nice little bomb. Musically Musicology wins, but as contemporary billboard record Musicology would have had no chance. Supposed both were promoted in the same way, with singles and promotion.

Unbreakable
Invincible
Break of dawn
Heaven can wait
You rock my world
Butterflies
Speechless
You are my life
Privacy
Don't walk away
Whatever happens
Threatened

VS.

Musicology
ICP&C
A million days
LOTP
Call my Name
Cinnamon Girl
WDYWM2D
The marrying kind
I:i:WTMIYL
On the couch
Dear Mr. man
Reflection

In the end 'The love below' would win anyway.

BlueNote

"You Rock My World" is one of the best MJ's song ever!! On the other hand "Invincible" is the worst album of him!! I Really was x-pecting something way better from him...I think he's very talented...but he's not using his gift...since 1991

"musicology" is not the best prince album ever...i'ts even off from my top five...but anyway is a great album! Great songs...and see he doesn't need 2 be rounded by 14 producers of the moment 2 make an album....he just have 2 play his instruments and sing...How much they spend 2 record "Invincible"??? I don't remeber now...but it's huge money...see, when it comes down 2 art, money can't buy quality or good inspiration...

well, I don't see this thread as a battle between Prince and MJ...but which album is better...NO CONTEST...Musicology is the best from far!!

THE LOVE BELOW WAS THE SHIZZNAY!
My name is cupid valentino
the modern day cupid!
fawk musicology and Invisible
lets worship the love below

richierich said:

Not a hardcore one but Ive got I think over 10 albums of him...I collect good music

LightOfArt said:

shyt im more of a fan then u lol!

I think so too that there must not be any MJ topics here coz its sickening to see some HARDCORE Prince fans making fan of his face...HELLOOO WE ARE DISCUSSING MUSIC HERE, NOT APPEREANCE!!!!!

Anyways Invincible is MJs worst but still beats Musicology...now dont come attacking me everbody got their own opinions and tastes

i can't comment

benjamino71 said:

lezenith said:

totally ignorant prince freakazoid...michael is one of the best songwriters of all time

lezenith said:

completely ignorant Prince freakazoid! Michael is one of the best songwriters of all time!

LightOfArt said:

yah i hate people who kiss Prince's azz all the time
like the dum b M.F.S
that converted to JW just because he did
mj is a great song Writer/poetry
Mj has a great voice
Mj is a Great Dancer/choreographer
Mj is an exceptional Musician, he's no prince but i hear hes getting deadly with a guitar
ya never know
MJ is basically a studio Muscian he uses the stage for dancing only
now that i did some stats
u cant really compare prince to Mj
theyre both great at different things
so i d have to say their level of genuis is equal

LightOfArt said:

so says the totally ignorant michael jackson freakazoid.

shygirl said:

Shit, Prince won back in '84!!

WOW this is a dumb topic.

One Album cost $30 Million to record/produce with an army of writers & producers.

The Other probably cost $3,000 for the electric bill at Paisley Park & everything else came from the actual Artist's own soul!

NOT trying to "recapture" for the 50th time "Off the wall INC."

I think the public answered this question when ONLY 2 Million albums were sold in the usa & 3 million everywhere else. So 5 Million albums sold with $30 Million to make it, $30 Million to promote it & $10 for the only music video. The Public spoke so loud MJ wigged out and claimed "Racism"

I think the public figured out MJ a long time ago! EVERYONE has seen the man hasn't sang live anywhere on TV for 20 years. Thriller won 8 Grammys! But since then MJ has been shut out! The Music Industry has known this "little secret" of his true skills in music, but kept quiet because they were all making boat loads of money off him from stupid foreigners just wanting a taste of our hasbeen pop culture. MJ was thrown out of american pop culture for the most part with BAD, then he just ran to europe and cashed his "legit artist" chips in & has been doing a "Vegas Act" for about 15 years now.

intha916 said:

I liked those songs because the radio stations didn't play the hell out of them till you was sick of hearing it like they did Butterflies. I liked Butterflies at first, but then they kept playing it until I was sick of it and the remix with Eve wasn't much either. I never liked You rocked my world because it was a bulls** song with a bull*** video. If he had done some other dance moves besides the same s*** he's been doing for the last 2 decades including wearing those same tired loafers and trying to do another Smooth Criminal (which was a brilliant video) plus looking like a space alien, then maybe I would've liked it. Plus, that was the only video he put out on the whole disc. Whatever happened to MJ putting out video after video, single after single. As far as Musicology being overrated is concerned, it's not and if it is, it should be. He got 4 stars because it's real music. It's original, not borrowed. It's his voice, not Milli Vanilli. This shit that you hear on the radio now is not music. Nobody's original anymore. They have to borrow from somebody and they can't sing live or even studio, but they somehow manage to sell records. It's a shame. P deserves really more than 4 stars. He's put in his time and paid his dues, he deserves all the great things that are happening for right now.

Cloudbuster said:

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I know you're lame. Don't keep convincing yourself. You are lame.
Just accept it ace. PS. I ain't got nothin but love 4 ya.

Michael Jackson is no artist, he is all top show.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 23 15:07:14 2004 by GoldiesParade]

TurnItUp said:

I like that bit.

fauxnewbie said:

I'll have to go with Invincible beeing underrated and Musicology beeing overrated. I also think Invincible has better, dare i say more original songs. The drama of it is, well, first of all, it's a Michael Jackson record, and secondly, it's not a very sattisfying album. It tries to b all things at the same time, and it simply doesn't work. It was overlong and overdue and it reeked too much of MJ the tabloid persona.
Musicology, on the other hand, is far more satisfying and coherent, especially since it doesn't come with all the baggage of an MJ release. The music is not exceptional, but has enough quality and maturity to be enjoyable.
Finally, the albums are soooo different on sooo many levels that comparing them really is silly. I think many here should give Invincible another chance and listen to it without predjudice and try to find the good things on it, but i can also understand why Musicology is preferred.

Now, obviously, if you ask that question here, you're going to get a 99% response saying Musicology is better.

With that being said, I'm going to agree. What Prince has done with Musicology is exactly what Michael Jackson did not. Whether or not he learned from Jacko's mistakes, he HAS found a good course to take compared to the hype created by Jackson in 2001.

Michael spent a couple of years and millions of dollars crafting Invincible. From a financial standpoint, this made it difficult for it to make a profit (and I'm pretty sure it hasn't made one yet). From an artistic standpoint, it feels too polished and overproduced. Everything just feels mechanical, and this takes away from the energy of it. Simply put, too much time and money was put into making sure that the details were perfect while the overall picture wasn't anything special. Meanwhile, while I don't know exactly when Prince started work on the Musicology songs, it was released only a year after his last album. While it's definitely not rushed, and it doesn't sound unprofessional, it doesn't sound nearly as pristine as Invincible.

And while it sounds like Prince is going back to using the old drum machine on a lot of the tracks, that's pretty much the only old trick he's bringing back. Michael, on the other hand, created an inferior Dangerous clone. He still uses the old hip hop-influenced beats from Dangerous, though this time the vocals seem to be higher in the mix. While some of Prince's new songs have similarities to his old stuff, if the subject matter is not different, then the melody is completely original, or it's got some fun new lyrics/unusual arrangements.

Another problem I had with Invincible is that the spotlight stays on Michael completely (except on "2000 Watts," where I never even remember Michael's input). He's "Unbreakable." He's "Invincible." He wants his "Privacy." It's harder to connect with such personalized songs. Musicology, on the other hand, sounds much more intimate and relatable with stuff like "On the Couch" and "Call My Name." Meanwhile, stuff like "Cinnamon Girl" and "Illusion, COma, Pimp and Circumstance" have little to do with Prince's specific personal life.

Speaking of intimacy, Invincible, like Dangerous and HIStory[/u] before it, is waaay overlong. It runs out of steam around track 7 or 8 out of 16. Now, transfer stuff like "Threatened" and "Don't Walk Away" in the middle of those 8 tracks, and you might get a decent album. However, while [i]THe Rainbow Children and Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic felt long, Prince corrected this mistake on Musicology, which is probably the shortest Prince album since, like, 1998 or so (and even then, Newpower Soul had like 30 tracks of silence and added up to an hour long).

Finally, Prince doesn't rest on name recognition to sell records. He's obviously worked on creating a disc of great songs (or at least as great as he can make them) to capitalize on several factors (Purple Rain 20th Anni, RnR HOF, etc.). For these reasons, I think Musicology wins.

Hell, it even wins in the way it's been promoted. What did Jacko do? a 15 minute borefest of a music video (which featured very little of his acclaimed dancing, and waht dancing he did do was nothing new), 2 overblown concerts that 1. were a self-produced tribute to himself and 2. had just as much of other people as they did him, and an autograph signing. Prince? He's F'N TOURED (in addition to TV appearances and stuff), something Michael hasn't done in, what, a decade now? Also, what hype there is for Musicology wasn't created by Prince. He didn't say "Look out for my new album..." at the Grammys or RNRHoF. The video got on MTV's playlist without being singled out of their other videos. Meanwhile, what Jacko has focused on ever since 1992 has just been HYPE. Lots and lots of it.

Yeah, forget Invincible. Musicology is where my party's at.

Oh wow! I can't believe this question is out here. I mean I am so stunned.

I have both albums. I am going to be very, very honest in my response.

I can not get into Invincible. I tried, I truly did. Even Ghost, which I sorta kinda like, failed to grasp my intrest enough to replay it. Now, I have not been a MJ fan through out the years.
I have been a casual listener. I love Dangerous but Invinicble... I don't know, perhaps the man was under a lot of strees to get the album out and try to buy back his share of the Beatles from Sony.

Musicology is good. Not one of Prince's better albums but it's really good. It has this tendacy of making a song you really don't care for suddenly turn into the head bobbing jam of the hour. For example, I didn't like Life O' the Party and refused to recognize On the Couch. The other day though, I found myself gyrating and singing respectfully. As much as many say there isn't a classic track on the cd, I would like to point to Musicology. It is infectous and like Kiss, it will be song that still moves the party when I reach my forties.

So, in the end, I have to say Musicology is the better of the two.

Luv4oneanotha said:

Would you enlighten us more about MJ's axe playing ,I aint being sarcastic either I'm just interested.

tell mj 2 pick up a guitar and play us something

richierich said:

I have followed Michael's carrer for years and have no clue what this guy is talking about regarding to MJ's guitar skills. He is credited with playing guitar on "Morphine" but that's about it. But just coz he is not a brilliant instrumentalist does not mean he is not a genius.

Here is my take on it.

If "Invincible was an album by any other artist, other than MJ, then it would have been a great CD. Here is where I think the problem is. MJ keeps trying to top "Thriller". Let's face it, he can't. If he would just let go, and not take himself too seriously then I think he would be on top again. Invincible failed because, of bad promotion, people's high expectations, (wanting it to be another "thriller") and like someone said, "filler".

Musicology on the otherhand is what "Invincible" could have been, a great album, from someone who has learned that taking yourself too seriously can only make u look like the biggest joke .

Unlike Michael, Prince does not try to top, "Purple Rain". He just sees that as an album and lets his fans decide.


Just my two cents.

Both lps will be remembered as flops by two great artist that had there time creatively.

Keeping it real----a fan of both.

WildStyle said:

Oh now, really. What a totally bizarre and absolutely ludicrous opinion - in MY totally bizarre and absolutely correct opinion , that's like comparing an old golf cart to a tricked out Jaguar.

How many times have you listened to The Love Below?

Shit, there are so many monumental songs on that album it's a little overwhelming - but way cool. The Love Below's the best album of this century EASY, if you ask me.

Invincible obviously does not rank! It's MJ's NewPowerSoul.