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PrintableYeah, I agree with the above. I dont mind Vader making a guest appearance as much as the wacked out preaching of Prince, especially the "theocratic order" bullshit. No hard feelings. | |
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XxAxX said: Supernova said: Those songs are essential to the concept. The narration voice never bothered me...I guess because I was so astounded that after YEARS of mailing it in Prince finally displayed some passion and conviction and laid it all out there, he didn't give a fuck what anybody thought. Lyrical misinterpretations be damned. Without that type of narration the whole thing would be less idiosyncratic. What would a Prince album be without his individual quirks? (I ask rhetorically.) But at the same time I can understand how it would annoy some people. The only part where I think it's a bit overdone is toward the end of "Digital Garden" (a song that could go on longer and I wouldn't mind at all). TRC isn't the only album that ever utilized this type of distorted narration. Funkadelic and Jimi Hendrix used this effect, although not through entire albums. Like it or not, the risk that TRC was and is is what Prince is all about: doing whatever the hell he wants, provoking listeners (pro and con) in the process, and not giving a damn about what uptight folks think about it. well, i guess the argument could be made that the lyrics were so vague that the interpretation was 'open' but, i know some jewish people who were hurt by those references to entirely jewish names in the song, feminists who were enraged the 'theocratic' order subjecting them to men, and buddhists who felt a bit. .. left outby the whole thing. yes, i do realize he was making an album to please himself and he has that right. . . i've often wondered if anyone close to him ever mentioned any of this to him at the time? just in passing like 'hey man, that might hurt some of your fans' or something I don't know why anyone should be hurt; since he did deal with a certain Charles Goldstruck it's not out of the question that he dealt with the other names in the song at Arista and/or in the music industry in general. Unless someone can say they were there while he dealt with Goldstruck, et. al., then they can't rationally say the song as a response is uncalled for. My interpretation of the theocratic order is different (and much less severe) than those here who seem to go into a hissy fit about it. It doesn't mean my interpretation is the right one, it just means that since it is open to more than one interpretation that it might not be the most popular knee jerk interpretation. but, whatever. do you think the lyrics to TRC would work for columbia/sony at this point in time? would they approve the words the way they are or ask for a rework? just curious.
The lyrics? For a major label I'm sure it has more to do with the theme of the album moreso than the lyrics, and (most importantly) whether the label's execs think they can get a profit from it. But what works for one major label doesn't necessarily work for another. Axl Rose could sing about "niggers" and "faggots" and Geffen didn't seem to mind. And in turn Prince fans never minded about his "preaching" of illicit sex. Rendering the complaints about TRC's so-called "preaching" hollow. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said:[quote] XxAxX said: I don't know why anyone should be hurt; since he did deal with a certain Charles Goldstruck it's not out of the question that he dealt with the other names in the song at Arista and/or in the music industry in general. Unless someone can say they were there while he dealt with Goldstruck, et. al., then they can't rationally say the song as a response is uncalled for. My interpretation of the theocratic order is different (and much less severe) than those here who seem to go into a hissy fit about it. It doesn't mean my interpretation is the right one, it just means that since it is open to more than one interpretation that it might not be the most popular knee jerk interpretation. but, whatever. do you think the lyrics to TRC would work for columbia/sony at this point in time? would they approve the words the way they are or ask for a rework? just curious.
The lyrics? For a major label I'm sure it has more to do with the theme of the album moreso than the lyrics, and (most importantly) whether the label's execs think they can get a profit from it. But what works for one major label doesn't necessarily work for another. Axl Rose could sing about "niggers" and "faggots" and Geffen didn't seem to mind. And in turn Prince fans never minded about his "preaching" of illicit sex. Rendering the complaints about TRC's so-called "preaching" hollow. those are good points. but, i know people who were totally turned off prince by the lyrics. the whole 'ain't no room to disagree' thing and all. .. i guess he does have a way of cloaking his words at times. deliberate? who knows. i still think someone who loved him should have told him hey. . maybe be a bit careful about that. words are powerful, as he acknowledges himself on his website. | |
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Oh get over it.
TRC is brilliant and the darth vader voice as u put, is NOT the album. If u can't get past that I find it pretty pathetic. If u just don't like the music, I can understand that (although I would question your taste  ), but to dislike the album in its entirety just because of a voice over? Silly.
Technically, musically, and from a pure funk point of view, TRC is his best in years, and if he has ever had one, this was his comeback album! Musicology is a slight step back, as someone said earlier, but is still a 'nice' album. | |
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...weirdly, it’s what makes the album unique. But honestly, I think I could have done without it, but it's still one of my very favorite albums, LOVE the spirituality of it. [This message was edited Thu Apr 22 20:27:08 2004 by Starmist7] | |
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it is still his best album since emancipation half of the staff in their brain is on vacation!! | |
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the main problem w/ TRC is the lack of strong songs. Only Last December and She Love Me 4 Me are really top-notch. 1+1+1=3 - pretty good. The Work, Family Name, Everlasting Now, Mellow - eh. OK, nothing special. The rest - blech.
The absurd voice-over is icing on the cake.... | |
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I was annoyed with TRC at first but not anymore. It is just used as an intro to each song, a story. 
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moderatoryeah im with ya. and actually i think peeps that say it wasnt a strong album r actually just distracted by the 'darth vader' voice. it drags down all momentum. but the fact is that this was a true PRINCE album. everlasting now, last december, family name, the work, a few of the instrumental peices...cmon that shizz is what its all about. tracks like 'muse to the pharoah' miss the mark but as a friend of mine, who, like most, had fallen off the p tip about 95 said, 'this is the music prince is supposed to be makin'' | |
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TRC is brilliant and the darth vader voice as u put, is NOT the album.
If u can't get past that I find it pretty pathetic. If u just don't like the music, I can understand that (although I would question your taste ), but to dislike the album in its entirety just because of a voice over? Silly.
Technically, musically, and from a pure funk point of view, TRC is his best in years, and if he has ever had one, this was his comeback album! Musicology is a slight step back, as someone said earlier, but is still a 'nice' album.[/quote] It was i who said that. I agree with you totally. His best album since SOTT. | |
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Supernova said:[quote] whatsurname said: take out Mellow and She Loves Me For Me and you do, indeed, get a true concept album..
Those songs are essential to the concept. Explain to me how these songs are essential to the concept...i'm curious. | |
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The Rainbow Children would have been perfect without the Darth Vader voice and Wedding Feast. But anyway, it's his best album since SOTT and it's easily in my top 3 Prince albums. RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time... |
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Must...hold back....vomit. Why do....people....like TRC? Shitty.....album. Ugh....  "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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I like some things about that album, but Vader is the reason I don't listen to it much. I feel embarrassed to have it on around other people. And, some of the values he's spouting are downright scary. | |
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luv4u said: I was annoyed with TRC at first but not anymore. It is just used as an intro to each song, a story.
That's another good way of putting it. I think TRC NEEDS the 'Darth Vader' voice... ...the album wouldn't be the same without it. | |
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Songs off TRC that I liked/loved...
Digital Garden Sensual Everafter Everlasting Now 1+1+1=3 She Loves Me 4 Me Family Name Last December Songs off TRC that I hated/disliked... Mellow The Work Rainbow Children Muse 2 the Pharaoh Everywhere So the problem for me is that when the album's weak, it's very weak, so that brings down the overall listening experience for me. Another problem for me was the fact that some of the songs I absolutely loved (Digital Garden, She Loves Me 4 Me) were oddly too short, while songs like Rainbow Children were inexplicably long and boring. So it's a good album (3/5 to me), but it's really a mixed offering. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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