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Reply #30 posted 04/20/04 1:59pm

SexyBeautifulO
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I swear I hope you folks are just as critical with your own lives as you are with Prince. Cuz that would mean that your lives are absolutely facinating, flawless, and filled to the brim with success.
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Reply #31 posted 04/20/04 2:02pm

psykosoul

Anxiety said:

psykosoul said:

Prince is not a journalist...

Prince is not a journalist...

Prince is not a journalist...


What's journalism got to do with our favorite "no-name reporter" spelling things correctly in his liner notes?



Maybe it's just me. But for a man who has replaced "U" with "you", "4" with "four", " prince " with "Prince" for damn near 25 years, it's just not something that would remotely irritate me. To find fault with it now seems kinda silly. It's not like there's a song on the cd titled "Right Thurrrrr"
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Reply #32 posted 04/20/04 2:04pm

OdysseyMiles

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On the point of omitting musician's credits, who's to say he didn't actually play a sax (e.g. Dear Mr. Man)? That would be quite surprising, but not impossible. Remember, he plays over 20 instruments. lol Besides, he is known for doing that sort of thing in the past, why change his tune across the board now?





He does play a lot of instruments, but sax ain't one of them. The horn section is real, and it's who those guys mentioned. As for musician's credits, it is par for the course that he omits who he chooses, along with studios, engineers, etc.....there were more involved than listed.


Who's to say that the horns on Mr. Man aren't synthesized? shrug
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Reply #33 posted 04/20/04 2:24pm

Anxiety

SexyBeautifulOne said:

I swear I hope you folks are just as critical with your own lives as you are with Prince. Cuz that would mean that your lives are absolutely facinating, flawless, and filled to the brim with success.


This is why there are people in this world who are paid to be "critical" with the mechanics of books and other commercial printed matter. So you won't notice or worry your pretty little fascinating, flawless, successful head with error-riddled writing.

Believe me when I say this: The world would be a scary place without proofreaders.

Thank us later. rolleyes
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Reply #34 posted 04/20/04 2:26pm

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

I swear I hope you folks are just as critical with your own lives as you are with Prince. Cuz that would mean that your lives are absolutely facinating, flawless, and filled to the brim with success.

thank you.
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Reply #35 posted 04/20/04 2:55pm

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i double-dogg-dare somebody to send back their lyric booklet with red marks on the grammatical/spelling errors and "F+--do over!" written on the front cover.
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Reply #36 posted 04/20/04 3:54pm

Anxiety

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

i double-dogg-dare somebody to send back their lyric booklet with red marks on the grammatical/spelling errors and "F+--do over!" written on the front cover.


whistling

...though the "F+" bit is a little harsh, don'tcha think? They gots some purty pitchurs in there and thangs...







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Reply #37 posted 04/20/04 3:57pm

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The point of my post was not really to complain about some stupid spelling mistakes, but most importantly the fact that A Million Days is totally wrong, and the whole font thing.

Just looks immensely unprofessional to me, which is surprising because with CDs like TRC, where no big label was behind it, he didn't make those mistakes.
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Reply #38 posted 04/20/04 4:02pm

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psykosoul said:

Anxiety said:



What's journalism got to do with our favorite "no-name reporter" spelling things correctly in his liner notes?



Maybe it's just me. But for a man who has replaced "U" with "you", "4" with "four", " prince " with "Prince" for damn near 25 years, it's just not something that would remotely irritate me. To find fault with it now seems kinda silly. It's not like there's a song on the cd titled "Right Thurrrrr"



Good lawd...that had 2 have been the worst single of last year..
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Reply #39 posted 04/20/04 4:02pm

SunDance

Xpertlover said:

The point of my post was not really to complain about some stupid spelling mistakes, but most importantly the fact that A Million Days is totally wrong, and the whole font thing.

Just looks immensely unprofessional to me, which is surprising because with CDs like TRC, where no big label was behind it, he didn't make those mistakes.


... exactly, he (Prince) didn't make these stupid mistakes ... some jobless mofo did.

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Reply #40 posted 04/20/04 4:36pm

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Yeah.. too bad it has those mistakes on top of being packaged with so little attention to detail. The flap that won't stay down, the booklet that can't be anchored - it's very cumbersome as a product. Obviously an NPG record item. One Nite Alone live was similarly cumbersome and impractical.

Am I sorry I bought the retail version? Hell no! The sound is so much better. Every song is enhanced, especially the danser arrangements like If I was the man in ure Life. It doesn't excuse the poor packaging, but at the end of the day I bought it for the music so that's that.
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Reply #41 posted 04/20/04 5:17pm

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I would have to say the whole packaging looks complete. Where do you put the booklet once you open the CD. It just slips (falls) right out of the package because you can't close it. Doesn't make sense. to me but I would blame that on Columbia, Not P because it is now there product.
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Reply #42 posted 04/20/04 5:26pm

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You know, it's really odd to me how people can assume that because they are how they are, that Prince, or any other musician, must conform to views on age (i.e. speak as if delivering a dissertation, write as if they were writing one, have no sense of humor or own identity).

I understand, and agree with, the beef about missing lyrics and credits, but come on. The speech/slang he uses? The Princebonics gets on my last nerve sometimes when I'm just trying to read rather than decipher, but damn. You can't expect someone to just resign to resembling your grandfather in his actions. If he did that, once again, the "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" feel starts to come around.

On the point of omitting musician's credits, who's to say he didn't actually play a sax (e.g. Dear Mr. Man)? That would be quite surprising, but not impossible. Remember, he plays over 20 instruments. lol Besides, he is known for doing that sort of thing in the past, why change his tune across the board now?


I'm sure someone has already commented on this, but I can't help myself and I can't wait until I read the whole thread to reply. wink

It's not the Princebonics that anybody has a beef with. It's the grammatical and spelling errors - repeat, NOT the purposeful misspellings with the 4's and 2's and U's and EYE's.... rather the "should of" instead of "should have," that kinda thing. Ever since Prince has gone independent his releases have been chock full of lazy spelling errors and mistakes.

Whatever happened to "Education's important, so important to Victor"? Victor, you need to get your ass back to school.

And I thought that the whole "3 words" thing was slang...can anyone confirm that? Whoever transcribed the lyrics apparently wasn't aware of this, as they changed it to 3 words: "We tired, U'all" - I know U'all isn't really a word, but it's the Princebonics version of y'all, right? Problem is, if you listen to the song he clearly says "We're tired o y'all" - as in We're tired of you all. So the transcriber seems to have left out a word so that it would fit. Weird.

Oh, and those extra couple lines in On The Couch are ones that he sings live...strange that they're printed in the booklet yet not in the song, but that's been happening since at least Diamonds and Pearls, so I can live with that. wink

The rest of the shit however....I IMPLORE you people, whoever goes to the next Prince night in Chicago at Berlin...tell Sam that he needs to let someone with a brain look over his shit before it runs to the printer. It seems odd to me that Prince wouldn't care about it...but then, there have always been things that don't at all fit the "perfectionist" label he's got. What kind of perfectionist releases Nothing Compares 2 U live on the Hits CD without fixing that horrible squelch of feedback? (For example)






Those damn grammatical-but-not-Princebonics edits....
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Reply #43 posted 04/20/04 5:27pm

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xpsiter said:


On the point of omitting musician's credits, who's to say he didn't actually play a sax (e.g. Dear Mr. Man)? That would be quite surprising, but not impossible. Remember, he plays over 20 instruments. lol Besides, he is known for doing that sort of thing in the past, why change his tune across the board now?



Oh, I forgot...sorry to rain on your parade but *I* am one to say that he didn't actually play sax on Dear Mr. Man - Prince does NOT play saxophone, repeat DOES NOT PLAY SAXOPHONE.
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Reply #44 posted 04/20/04 5:29pm

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psykosoul said:

Maybe it's just me. But for a man who has replaced "U" with "you", "4" with "four", " prince " with "Prince" for damn near 25 years, it's just not something that would remotely irritate me. To find fault with it now seems kinda silly. It's not like there's a song on the cd titled "Right Thurrrrr"


But you're not paying attention...the problem is not with the Princebonics...nobody is "finding fault" with that. However, people ARE finding fault with the fact that his releases consistently have UNINTENTIONAL, silly spelling and grammatical errors.
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Reply #45 posted 04/20/04 5:31pm

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OdysseyMiles said:

Who's to say that the horns on Mr. Man aren't synthesized? shrug


WHOA!!!!!

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You're not serious, are you? Seriously now...you can't be serious, can you? SERIOUSLY?!

Dude, that saxophone ain't a synthesizer...and if you can't tell the difference you might wanna go back to Musicology school. wink

Just jerkin' with ya Odyssey...but seriously, it shocks me that an avid fan of Prince's music can't tell the difference between a real sax and a synthesizer.

Being a sax player myself, TUH-RUST me...that's a real sax, and I've been wondering who it was, as the tone isn't all bright like Candy's...

It's probably Eric Leeds - Prince must have had some sort of falling out with him.
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Reply #46 posted 04/20/04 5:34pm

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Aerogram said:

Yeah.. too bad it has those mistakes on top of being packaged with so little attention to detail. The flap that won't stay down, the booklet that can't be anchored - it's very cumbersome as a product. Obviously an NPG record item. One Nite Alone live was similarly cumbersome and impractical.


Hallelujah, Aerogram...this is just another in a long line of NPG releases that (IMO) are intentionally made out of cheap materials (i.e. cardboard rather than durable plastic) so that they will quickly become battered and X number of fans will buy it all over again. Shit, I had to buy TRC 3 times. Oh, and there were grammar and spelling mistakes in TRC too - I'll have to bust it out later and look 'em up. I HATED that booklet, god...the HUUUUUGE font and everything? Totally unnecessary.
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Reply #47 posted 04/20/04 5:59pm

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theblueangel said:

It's not the Princebonics that anybody has a beef with. It's the grammatical and spelling errors - repeat, NOT the purposeful misspellings with the 4's and 2's and U's and EYE's.... rather the "should of" instead of "should have," that kinda thing.

That's always annoyed me (I see more and more people use that phrase lately), but I haven't had time to notice the detail in the booklet thus far.
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Reply #48 posted 04/20/04 6:06pm

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Reply #49 posted 04/20/04 6:15pm

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Anxiety said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

i double-dogg-dare somebody to send back their lyric booklet with red marks on the grammatical/spelling errors and "F+--do over!" written on the front cover.


whistling

...though the "F+" bit is a little harsh, don'tcha think? They gots some purty pitchurs in there and thangs...

oh, alright....C- then. yay!
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Reply #50 posted 04/20/04 6:16pm

tackam

theblueangel said:

xpsiter said:


On the point of omitting musician's credits, who's to say he didn't actually play a sax (e.g. Dear Mr. Man)? That would be quite surprising, but not impossible. Remember, he plays over 20 instruments. lol Besides, he is known for doing that sort of thing in the past, why change his tune across the board now?



Oh, I forgot...sorry to rain on your parade but *I* am one to say that he didn't actually play sax on Dear Mr. Man - Prince does NOT play saxophone, repeat DOES NOT PLAY SAXOPHONE.


Ok, lovebug, maybe I dreamed this up, but I swear that I read an interview with Candy where she said that he does play sax and "could be really good if he practiced", or something like that. Isn't that what he played in high school band?

I don't have a good enough ear to say whether the sax bit on that song is too sophisticated for a non-expert to play. I have no idea. Just sayin'. boxed
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Reply #51 posted 04/20/04 7:11pm

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Aerogram said:


Am I sorry I bought the retail version? Hell no! The sound is so much better. Every song is enhanced, especially the danser arrangements like If I was the man in ure Life. It doesn't excuse the poor packaging, but at the end of the day I bought it for the music so that's that.


You think that the retail version has better sound quality than the concert CD or are you referring to the download?
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Reply #52 posted 04/20/04 7:31pm

psykosoul

theblueangel said:

psykosoul said:

Maybe it's just me. But for a man who has replaced "U" with "you", "4" with "four", " prince " with "Prince" for damn near 25 years, it's just not something that would remotely irritate me. To find fault with it now seems kinda silly. It's not like there's a song on the cd titled "Right Thurrrrr"


But you're not paying attention...the problem is not with the Princebonics...nobody is "finding fault" with that. However, people ARE finding fault with the fact that his releases consistently have UNINTENTIONAL, silly spelling and grammatical errors.


No I'm paying attention and many of you are missing the point. How do you know what Prince intended? So what "Eye" is spelled out on the back of the CD cover instead of eye . Did the message get conveyed? That's the funny thing about the English language: if a grammatical error is made often enough, the word(s) are usually accepted as part of the language. See "McJob" in the Oxford Dictionary of the English Language. Bottom line is that it's ridiculous to nitpick at this kind of thing from an artist like Prince who has always used symbols, numbers and letters to represent words of the English language. So if he starts getting a 'lil ghetto with it and starts contracting phrases....so what? Some folks are acting all appalled and shit like they bought and album by Luciano Pavarotti with a lyric that says "we tired o' yall" rolleyes
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Reply #53 posted 04/20/04 7:44pm

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PsykoSoul, I LOOOOOVE yer signature, but you really ARE missing the point.

Back when NEWS was released, there were many people on here who insisted that Prince MEANT to spell saxophone wrong...that somehow "saxaphone" was just another example of Prince playing with language. Yeah, and Larry Graham was the best thing that ever happened to Prince's music. rolleyes

Similarly, "should of" is not an example of Prince playing with grammar. It's simply an example of a company not caring enough to run some shit through a grammar check or running it by someone with more than an American high school diploma.

Hey, tackam!!! Are you serious, you heard that Prince played saxophone in high school? That would be shocking as all hell....has anyone else heard this? It seems odd that he would have never played saxophone once in the 25 years between now and then...but who knows? The sax part on Dear Mr. Man isn't exactly something that would require expertise in order to play, but the tone is excellent...and that's something that is VERY hard to be able to duplicate unless you're a real saxophone player who plays frequently.

Of course, I could be wrong about him not playing sax. I'm wrong all the fucking time!! smile But yeah.....I'm a broke-ass motherfucker, and I'd bet next month's rent that it ain't Prince - for one thing, if it was him, we'd fucking know about it. The NPGMC and Prince himself are NOT shy to brag.
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Reply #54 posted 04/20/04 8:07pm

psykosoul

theblueangel said:

Similarly, "should of" is not an example of Prince playing with grammar. It's simply an example of a company not caring enough to run some shit through a grammar check or running it by someone with more than an American high school diploma.


Well, I'm not gonna beat a dead horse. But, I'm from the South, so that's probably why I'm very familiar with the slurring of words and misspelling. People have a tendency to write exactly the way they talk. "You shouldn't of let me unzip your dress" is exactly the way he sings it so I don't see why there's a problem with it printed that way. People who get plenty of practice typing on internet message boards daily still manage to have typos. But let Prince have one and folks start insinuating that either he or the people who work for him don't have more than a high school education. That's mighty petty.
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Reply #55 posted 04/21/04 12:49pm

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Hey, tackam!!! Are you serious, you heard that Prince played saxophone in high school? That would be shocking as all hell....has anyone else heard this? It seems odd that he would have never played saxophone once in the 25 years between now and then...but who knows? The sax part on Dear Mr. Man isn't exactly something that would require expertise in order to play, but the tone is excellent...and that's something that is VERY hard to be able to duplicate unless you're a real saxophone player who plays frequently.

Of course, I could be wrong about him not playing sax. I'm wrong all the fucking time!! smile But yeah.....I'm a broke-ass motherfucker, and I'd bet next month's rent that it ain't Prince - for one thing, if it was him, we'd fucking know about it. The NPGMC and Prince himself are NOT shy to brag.


Yeah, this broke-ass mutherfucker would place a similar bet that I read that, but since I have the memory of a peanut plant, I can't remember where. You're right, though, I don't think anybody has ever seen him play onstage or anything, no reason to think he'd play on an album.
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Reply #56 posted 04/21/04 1:05pm

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What I can't believe is that I took time out of my life to read through this entire thread and it's basically people discussing the way "I" is spelled, with an eye or "eye", etc. neutral
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Reply #57 posted 04/21/04 1:09pm

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Aerogram said:

Yeah.. too bad it has those mistakes on top of being packaged with so little attention to detail. The flap that won't stay down, the booklet that can't be anchored - it's very cumbersome as a product. Obviously an NPG record item. One Nite Alone live was similarly cumbersome and impractical.

Am I sorry I bought the retail version? Hell no! The sound is so much better. Every song is enhanced, especially the danser arrangements like If I was the man in ure Life. It doesn't excuse the poor packaging, but at the end of the day I bought it for the music so that's that.


I totally agree, Musicology does look good and is basically well put together.
But it is mared by a lack of attention to detail and continuity.

I'm not worried about grammar (printed lyrics should represent what was sung, not what is
grammatically correct), but the font change after two songs is just sloppy, as is the inconsistancy
with 'eye' and 'eye'.

And all they needed to do to solve the packaging problem is create a card or clear plastic
slipcase for the album.
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Reply #58 posted 04/21/04 1:23pm

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I love you all but basically: Who gives a fuck?
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Reply #59 posted 04/21/04 2:09pm

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Anyone noticed that the On The Couch lyrics show a line more than the song actually has?
"I feel the blood racin' with the thought of you tastin' me
For that I be ur pardon"

(I don't have it here, maybe I'm paraprasing)

Too bad, it's a great lyric, IMO!


I noticed this too..... I was listening and had my stereo cranked to hear these lyrics.. ( Which I too thought were awesome) and could never hear them.
I was thinking maybe it was in the "Screaming" type stuff.. but apparently I am not the only one who could not hear them....
Thanks....
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