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Reply #30 posted 04/15/04 9:58am

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Temptation said:

Plain and simple: Signing autographs goes against the "rules" of the Jehovah's Witness religion. They see it as a symbol of idolatry which is a big no-no. Prince will not go against his faith and risk 40 lashes from Larry. It ain't gonna happen.


OMG, being JW has nothing to do with it. He hasn't signed autographs for years, long before Larry and long before becoming JW. It's idiotic statements like that, that show more about you than they ever could about Prince and JWs. Run along now, go play and watch out for lightening bolts, there's sure to be one out there with your name all over it. razz
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Reply #31 posted 04/15/04 10:02am

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Clubkid said:




Symbols of idolatry are a big no-no..... explain the use of the "prince" symbol then. U can't pick and choose which symbols you will find to be "against the religion".... somehow P does it and no one questions it.

I have 2 words 4 ya'll... FUCKING HYPOCRITES!
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Both of you guys are mistaken. There is no hard, fast rule against autographs among JWs. Any Christian could see it as a form of idolatry. It's all about what each individual's conscience will allow. Other Christians may see it simply as a momento of the occasion. It's what's in the heart that matters. And prince is not an idol to be worshipped. The dude was using it as a name. I thought it was a creative thing to do, seeing as how there's no law against using a symbol to identify yourself.


Except in Britain, where you can't change your name to a symbol. We're boring in that way. smile
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Reply #32 posted 04/15/04 10:25am

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:


oh m'gawd, i will never forget that woman...and she came here and cried about it and those who were there ended up callin her out!

i should go and dig up that thread and go laugh at it....ha-haaaaa! falloff

That is hilarious because I saw him bring two fans to tears at a different ONA soundcheck. One put a CDR on his stool onstage when he wasn't looking, and he summarily humiliated her in front of all assembled, demanding she come back up and retrieve it. The other offered to show him her symbol tattoo and got some public sermonizing.

Nice fella, that Prince. Really spiritual.
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Reply #33 posted 04/15/04 11:59am

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freakebear said:

The other offered to show him her symbol tattoo and got some public sermonizing.

Nice fella, that Prince. Really spiritual.



Why in the world would anyone tattoo anyone else's name on their body? I could never understand that.
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Reply #34 posted 04/15/04 12:04pm

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bastard probably smashed up her sand dollar too disbelief


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Reply #35 posted 04/15/04 1:14pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:


oh m'gawd, i will never forget that woman...and she came here and cried about it and those who were there ended up callin her out!

i should go and dig up that thread and go laugh at it....ha-haaaaa! falloff

That is hilarious because I saw him bring two fans to tears at a different ONA soundcheck. One put a CDR on his stool onstage when he wasn't looking, and he summarily humiliated her in front of all assembled, demanding she come back up and retrieve it. The other offered to show him her symbol tattoo and got some public sermonizing.

Nice fella, that Prince. Really spiritual.

neutral Its very sad..... Prince has changed alot.. I enjoyed him more back in the early 90's when he was with the FUNKY dancin' NPG...
I went to all 3 Chicago shows and on the first night I gave him a stuffed bunny rabbit with a little T-shirt on it that I had air brushed.. (it was right by Easter)
any way.. he took it from me.. hugged it, turned it over, looked at the back of the tshirt, turned it around and then hugged it again. Then he thanked me for it. He did this while he was on stage.. in front of the WHOLE crowd!
Then he took it back and set it up against a speaker and there it sat the whole rest of the show. When the show was over Damin picked it up as they left the stage.
Back in 1988 he had a huge party to kick off the 88 Love Sexy tour. I got his Autograph.. I still have it, under glass. Its on PRN Production letter head from Chanhassen! biggrin
I DO NOT idolize Prince.... but its very cool to get a chance to interact with a famous person! I can see Prince now standing for hours signing things.. but I think he should be more grateful to his fans.. Seems like the more "Spiritual" he gets.. the more un friendly he gets. That is really not right. neutral
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Reply #36 posted 04/15/04 1:19pm

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GrayKing said:

bastard probably smashed up her sand dollar too disbelief

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Reply #37 posted 04/15/04 1:26pm

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He was gracious enough to spend some time with her. It sounds like the girl was just totally selfish and unappreciative. It is fans like this who ruin it for everyone else.
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Reply #38 posted 04/15/04 1:38pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

GrayKing said:

is this the same sick girl that tried to get her to listen to his tape, and when he wouldn't she came running to here and to CJ's column about it? confuse

oh m'gawd, i will never forget that woman...and she came here and cried about it and those who were there ended up callin her out!

i should go and dig up that thread and go laugh at it....ha-haaaaa! falloff

she hangs out at the NPGMC site now....disbelief
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Reply #39 posted 04/15/04 1:47pm

MoneyMade

IF SHE WAS TRULY A FAN SHE WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED....

F@CK HER I WOULDN'T HAVE SIGNED IT NEITHER...THE NERVE.


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Reply #40 posted 04/15/04 2:01pm

Batdance

It's really not right to be so hard on this girl. Everybody in the world doesn't know about Prince's no autograph policy. The idea of this tour was to bring back old fans and win new fans. She might be a new fan who didn't realize that it's a sin to ask for an autograph from Prince.

A good way to handle this would be for Prince to have his bodyguard carry around a stack of little cards with a poem or lyric on it, and everytime someone asks for an autograph, they would received the little card. This is a much better and kinder gesture than barking "no autographs" and disappointing people who support his career.
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Reply #41 posted 04/15/04 2:31pm

PrimordialOoze

You people who are saying stuff like: "She should have known better if she were a fan!" and "She's just being selfish and unappreciative" ---

Maybe you should keep in mind that it seems this was a CHILD who asked for the autograph (at least that's the way I understand it) and not some 20something long time, hardcore fan who sits here on this website 24 hours a day reading about every facet of Prince's life and prsonality and was therefore unaware of Prince's no-autograph policy; and also even if she did act "unappreciative" of the few moments she got to talk with Prince (if she did) because she didn't get the autograph like she wanted, AGAIN -- SHE'S A CHILD. Kids want something and when they don't get it they're disappointed, sometimes unreasonably. Damn, give her a break.

I've seen some "adults" around here boo-hoo or complain over shit regarding Prince's actions when they should've known better than to expect or hope for different.,,and these folks KNOW BETTER and are supposed to be more mature than some little kid.
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Reply #42 posted 04/15/04 3:23pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

GrayKing said:

is this the same sick girl that tried to get her to listen to his tape, and when he wouldn't she came running to here and to CJ's column about it? confuse

oh m'gawd, i will never forget that woman...and she came here and cried about it and those who were there ended up callin her out!

i should go and dig up that thread and go laugh at it....ha-haaaaa! falloff

Sounds like someone is trying to make Prince appear uncaring.
lol evillol wacky
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Reply #43 posted 04/15/04 3:27pm

VelvetSweat

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He doesn't do autographs. What does someone having cerebral palsy have to do with that?


Not a damn thing. But I would still beg on my knees and cry like a bitch for him to sign my white cloud guitar if I had the chance to meet him.
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Reply #44 posted 04/15/04 4:50pm

preciosa863

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There's celebrities like Tom Cruise, who always take time to sign autographs and show appreciation for their audience. It's not idol worship, it's a nice memento of the moment, just like a picture.

When we write greeting cards to eachother and sign our names, is that wrong too?

Prince milks his celebrity status only when it's convenient for him.


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Reply #45 posted 04/15/04 4:55pm

preciosa863

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It's really not right to be so hard on this girl. Everybody in the world doesn't know about Prince's no autograph policy. The idea of this tour was to bring back old fans and win new fans. She might be a new fan who didn't realize that it's a sin to ask for an autograph from Prince.

A good way to handle this would be for Prince to have his bodyguard carry around a stack of little cards with a poem or lyric on it, and everytime someone asks for an autograph, they would received the little card. This is a much better and kinder gesture than barking "no autographs" and disappointing people who support his career.


They don't??? It would be different if he was holding an autograph party....Geez.....Let me skip on down to Primoridal~~~~~
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Reply #46 posted 04/15/04 6:46pm

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It's ink on paper - SO meaningless! A look into those eyes is much more satisfying batting eyes love biggrin
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #47 posted 04/15/04 9:11pm

lbadored

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It's ink on paper - SO meaningless! A look into those eyes is much more satisfying batting eyes love biggrin

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Reply #48 posted 04/15/04 10:09pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

GrayKing said:

is this the same sick girl that tried to get her to listen to his tape, and when he wouldn't she came running to here and to CJ's column about it? confuse

oh m'gawd, i will never forget that woman...and she came here and cried about it and those who were there ended up callin her out!

i should go and dig up that thread and go laugh at it....ha-haaaaa! falloff


OHHHHH NOOOOO! Not the dreaded Divinity6 thread! evillol
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Reply #49 posted 04/15/04 10:10pm

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

Temptation said:

Plain and simple: Signing autographs goes against the "rules" of the Jehovah's Witness religion. They see it as a symbol of idolatry which is a big no-no. Prince will not go against his faith and risk 40 lashes from Larry. It ain't gonna happen.


OMG, being JW has nothing to do with it. He hasn't signed autographs for years, long before Larry and long before becoming JW. It's idiotic statements like that, that show more about you than they ever could about Prince and JWs. Run along now, go play and watch out for lightening bolts, there's sure to be one out there with your name all over it. razz


omg Ouch!
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Reply #50 posted 04/16/04 3:23pm

TurnItUp

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He should do it out of morality. How fucking hard is it to sign something. Just be thankful he is making money--little bastard. If you are religious, then act like it. I saw the girl, by the way--she was very sad.


I'm sorry that the little girl was sad, but at least he saw her. If he didn't want to give an autograph he didn't. He has that right. I'll bring this up again and I don't know if you was one of the ones that bashed me. Can you still picture him as a dad now? That's what I meant by it's hard picturing him because of stuff like this. I just saw him in concert and nothing but women fans were on the stage and one little girl and when the little girl came up the stairs to the stage, she stared at him at a distance and they didn't come near each other. The only interaction he did was he tried to hand her the mike and I think she was shy and that was fine. But she didn't try to come near him and he didn't come near her. That's the same way I am with kids especially little girls. There are some kids that I connect with but not many. I don't think he will be as affectionate and as compassionate with kids like he would be if he had his own.
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Reply #51 posted 04/16/04 3:39pm

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I have been a fan of P since PR and out of the 20 years I have loved him, I love him to death, but don't love everything about him. I have never felt a desire to join his fan clubs, send him birthday cards or fan mail (which would probably be throwed out anyway). Mostly, I've never had a desire to do the one thing most fans would die for: to meet him. I think I'm doing just fine having a distant fanatic/idol love for him. I don't want to meet him because of stuff like what some of the folks have said on this tread. I don't want him to say or do anything that will offend me and make me not be a fan anymore. And I don't want to do or say anything stupid to get called out. When I went to see him on the ONA show. (I think he was doin this at all the shows). He approached this white lady sitting in the front row that she paid $100 for her seat for and he says "which is better. is it better to give or receive" and she says "It's better to give" and he turns around and says "We'll why don't you give your seat to that sister in the back. I was calling your bluff". I don't know if she took that personally, but I would've been pissed because that sister paid $50 for her back seat and I didn't have to $100 or $1.00 to see your ass and you gone front me off like that. He may have not meant any harm by it, but it wasn't nothing I wanted said to me or mine even if he was just playing. Don't play with me like that! I think not meeting him is the best thing. Me buying his music is enough right there.
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Reply #52 posted 04/16/04 4:05pm

Zelaira

After reading the Exerpt from EW well he says it's because he is NOt Into Being IDOL WORSHIPPED. But well peoplecan take it that he was Mean or Something. I think well his Security should just tell people politely No, he doesn't do that Anymore.
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Reply #53 posted 04/16/04 4:30pm

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TurnItUp said:

Mostly, I've never had a desire to do the one thing most fans would die for: to meet him. I think I'm doing just fine having a distant fanatic/idol love for him. I don't want to meet him because of stuff like what some of the folks have said on this tread. I don't want him to say or do anything that will offend me and make me not be a fan anymore.


I know what you're saying. Morrissey, someone that I have been fan of for many years, made an interesting observation on meeting your "idols". Commenting on meeting some of his own idols, he said that sometimes it's better not to meet them, to live with your own idealized version of an encounter. In real life, they might be rude, having a bad day, etc., and not act very kindly toward you. Then you might start to confuse them as a person with them as an artist... which is what made you a fan to begin with, the art that they share with us.
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Reply #54 posted 04/16/04 5:41pm

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TurnItUp said:

When I went to see him on the ONA show. (I think he was doin this at all the shows). He approached this white lady sitting in the front row that she paid $100 for her seat for and he says "which is better. is it better to give or receive" and she says "It's better to give" and he turns around and says "We'll why don't you give your seat to that sister in the back. I was calling your bluff". I don't know if she took that personally, but I would've been pissed because that sister paid $50 for her back seat and I didn't have to $100 or $1.00 to see your ass and you gone front me off like that. He may have not meant any harm by it, but it wasn't nothing I wanted said to me or mine even if he was just playing. Don't play with me like that! I think not meeting him is the best thing. Me buying his music is enough right there.

At the show I saw, the concertgoer gave up her seat. He then invited her up onstage, had her get comfy on some cushions and let her watch part of the show from there. It was a cute gimmick, designed to reward an unselfish person. I imagine not everyone took him up on it though.
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Reply #55 posted 05/10/04 4:11pm

Temptation

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Temptation said:

Plain and simple: Signing autographs goes against the "rules" of the Jehovah's Witness religion. They see it as a symbol of idolatry which is a big no-no. Prince will not go against his faith and risk 40 lashes from Larry. It ain't gonna happen.



Symbols of idolatry are a big no-no..... explain the use of the "prince" symbol then. U can't pick and choose which symbols you will find to be "against the religion".... somehow P does it and no one questions it...


OK, since you asked, I'll explain it. Prince does NOT use the prince symbol because it WAS questioned by his elders in the church.

When Prince chose the prince symbol he wasn't a Jehovah's Witness. He quit using the symbol when he entered 'advanced studies' with Larry in 1999. That's because the symbol was considered idolatrous. Prince also forbade all of his employees from wearing the prince symbol in 1999 and that policy continues.

Prince quit wearing his prince symbol necklaces five years ago and he has only worn the NPG necklaces since then. There is no idolatry conveyed with the NPG symbol because NPG represents his group, his music, his fans, and a series of loosely-connected ideals.
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Reply #56 posted 05/10/04 4:23pm

Persian

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I was listening to the Doug Banks morning show and on the entertainment news, they said that P refused to give a girl with cerebral palsy an autograph. Well as we all know its very rare for P to give us fams an autograph, so the reason for her refusal was because if she would have gotten an autograph it wouldn't have been fair to the other fams who have been refused one all this time.

I think that although it seems cold she was little kid after all, it is a valid reason to refuse it. I mean thats like saying just cause I have an illness, i'm more worthy of an autograph than a healthy person. Plus if my child were healthy and got refused an autograph and then he signs for some other child just because they are sick, it wouldn't seem right and I would be highly pissed.

What are your thoughts on this?



Give the kid an autograph..... she ain't exactly gonna steal your chequebook...
It's an autograph 4 God's sake... make the kid happy ... it won't make any difference at all to you, Prince.... be appreciative that she wants your autograph....
grrr... stuff like this celeb-poop stuck up their own bottoms makes me angry....
IT'S A COMPLIEMENT.... sign.... the .... autograph
send... me... your entire.... vault....

hmmmm.... this Jedi mind trick malarchy doesn't work .....
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Reply #57 posted 05/10/04 4:25pm

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Temptation said:

Clubkid said:




Symbols of idolatry are a big no-no..... explain the use of the "prince" symbol then. U can't pick and choose which symbols you will find to be "against the religion".... somehow P does it and no one questions it...


OK, since you asked, I'll explain it. Prince does NOT use the prince symbol because it WAS questioned by his elders in the church.

When Prince chose the prince symbol he wasn't a Jehovah's Witness. He quit using the symbol when he entered 'advanced studies' with Larry in 1999. That's because the symbol was considered idolatrous. Prince also forbade all of his employees from wearing the prince symbol in 1999 and that policy continues.

Prince quit wearing his prince symbol necklaces five years ago and he has only worn the NPG necklaces since then. There is no idolatry conveyed with the NPG symbol because NPG represents his group, his music, his fans, and a series of loosely-connected ideals.


Hes still got the symbol on the entrance to the NPGMC, plus he still has products with the symbol on it.
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Reply #58 posted 05/10/04 4:28pm

PrimordialOoze

cbastriani said:

Temptation said:



OK, since you asked, I'll explain it. Prince does NOT use the prince symbol because it WAS questioned by his elders in the church.

When Prince chose the prince symbol he wasn't a Jehovah's Witness. He quit using the symbol when he entered 'advanced studies' with Larry in 1999. That's because the symbol was considered idolatrous. Prince also forbade all of his employees from wearing the prince symbol in 1999 and that policy continues.

Prince quit wearing his prince symbol necklaces five years ago and he has only worn the NPG necklaces since then. There is no idolatry conveyed with the NPG symbol because NPG represents his group, his music, his fans, and a series of loosely-connected ideals.


Hes still got the symbol on the entrance to the NPGMC, plus he still has products with the symbol on it.



Yeah doesn't the NPGMC still sell symbol necklaces and keychains?
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Reply #59 posted 05/10/04 4:36pm

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Temptation said:

Clubkid said:




Symbols of idolatry are a big no-no..... explain the use of the "prince" symbol then. U can't pick and choose which symbols you will find to be "against the religion".... somehow P does it and no one questions it...


OK, since you asked, I'll explain it. Prince does NOT use the prince symbol because it WAS questioned by his elders in the church.

When Prince chose the prince symbol he wasn't a Jehovah's Witness. He quit using the symbol when he entered 'advanced studies' with Larry in 1999. That's because the symbol was considered idolatrous. Prince also forbade all of his employees from wearing the prince symbol in 1999 and that policy continues.

Prince quit wearing his prince symbol necklaces five years ago and he has only worn the NPG necklaces since then. There is no idolatry conveyed with the NPG symbol because NPG represents his group, his music, his fans, and a series of loosely-connected ideals.


that's very sad. imo. a symbol is just a symbol. his creation and use of the symbol was extremly innovative and cool. and the argument could be made that even his name 'prince' is a symbol too. even more of a symbol, in fact, because 'prince' is likely his copyright/trademark . . . awww prince. what happened to you?
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