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Reply #30 posted 04/15/04 3:22am

diamondpearl1

there's a lady 99 years old...
and if she lead a good life heaven takes her soul....
now that's a theory and if u don't wanna know....
step aside and make a way 4 those who wanna go....

how is this song cheesy or even 80's sounding? u can put out anything he did after "cherry moon" 2day and mtv/vh-1/bet wouldn't know what 2 do with it 'cause he was truly ahead of his time.... if anything i see the words as inspiring but allow me 2 add the ol' i.m.o.h.o. ....somebody also said that grunge was startin 2 rule the airwaves but 4 me i'd take this keyboard beauty over them nirvana rejects that were so popular any day....
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Reply #31 posted 04/15/04 5:32am

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I like both I Hate U and Gold, and I think they're decent singles.


HOWEVER. they should not be the sole singles. the single releases for that album are totally fucked up.


single 1 should have been Endorphinmachine/I Hate U
single 2 should have been Shhh/Gold
single 3 should have been 319/Pussy Control

throw in a Dolphin/Now single somewhere in there, and you've got a winner.







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Reply #32 posted 04/15/04 5:38am

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Yeah Shhh should have been released as a single too.

Gold was alright but wasn't all that good. Hell most of the album I skip around on. I mostly listen to Shhh, the most beautiful girl in the world, and eye hate u.

This album was kind of bad cuz he wasn't giving a f**k anymore, but its a little better than New Power soul. I hated that one the most, I only listen to The one on that one.
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Reply #33 posted 04/15/04 6:06am

DavidEye

"Gold" is a fantastic song,but unfortunately,Prince was feuding with Warners at the time and the entire project suffered (commercially) as a result.It's a shame because 'TGE' had alot of hit potential.There were several strong,potential singles on that album...

"Now"
"319"
"Shy"
"Dolphin"


The promotion behind this project was downright embarassing,and both parties are to blame.Prince filmed a video for the first single "I Hate U" but he refused to release it! Then,the second single "Gold" was accompanied by a weak,cheap video.shortly thereafter,the promotion stopped and no further singles were released.Something tells me that Prince actually wanted this album to fail,so he could blame Warners for a weak promotional strategy.
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Reply #34 posted 04/15/04 8:14am

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I love Eye Hate U, but I agree with most people here in that it was a bad choice for the first single. I regard The Gold Experience as the last, truly great Prince album. At the time of it's release, VH1 aired an excellent weekly discussion show called 4 On The Floor featuring three major music journalists and one guest each week. At the end of each show each person was allowed to recommend one album and two of them highly recommended TGE. Also in the very first issue of Blender Magazine, the column 'Every Album Reviewed' featured Prince and rated TGE as the best Prince LP after Dirty Mind, Purple Rain & SOTT. Don't sleep on TGE, it's very underrated.
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Reply #35 posted 04/15/04 8:36am

LarrytheGOD

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Easy answer..

Because Prince doesn't dictate what the world is listening to...

And the world wasn't hungry for plain old 80s style cuts.

The world moved on. And Prince hasn't had a hit since.
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Reply #36 posted 04/15/04 9:18am

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LarrytheGOD said:

Easy answer..

Because Prince doesn't dictate what the world is listening to...

And the world wasn't hungry for plain old 80s style cuts.

The world moved on. And Prince hasn't had a hit since.



Ironic isn't it, that now his 80s style hits are fueling his sold out tour and possible comeback. The world may not have been hungry then, but they are now.
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Reply #37 posted 04/15/04 3:49pm

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sextonseven said:

LarrytheGOD said:

Easy answer..

Because Prince doesn't dictate what the world is listening to...

And the world wasn't hungry for plain old 80s style cuts.

The world moved on. And Prince hasn't had a hit since.


Ironic isn't it, that now his 80s style hits are fueling his sold out tour and possible comeback. The world may not have been hungry then, but they are now.


Comeback? I seriously doubt it. Just like an old 45 u dust off for flavor,, now and then.
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Reply #38 posted 04/15/04 7:48pm

JonSnow

i like Gold, i think it's a great track. a little hokey and over the top - but hey, you could say that about Purple Rain, too.


I wish it had a bridge of some sort... something to give it a little something different in the mix.


According to a billboard magazine article at the time of TGE, the singles were planned as follows:

1. I Hate U
2. Gold
3. 319
4. Shy


The Gold Experience was well reviewed - i remember in particular USA Today loved it. And it debuted at #6 on the Billboard charts, I believe - which was pretty good.

Unfortunately the name change ruined any chance he had at real commercial success w/ this project. It could have been a smash album, but circumstances just weren't right.
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Reply #39 posted 04/15/04 8:06pm

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He shoulda released Shhh... disbelief
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Reply #40 posted 04/16/04 8:29am

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LarrytheGOD said:



Comeback? I seriously doubt it. Just like an old 45 u dust off for flavor,, now and then.



When was the last time MTV played a new Prince video? That Musicology is getting spins alone is a small comeback for Prince in my opinion. But it won't be real until the album comes out and goes platinum. Until then, this is just speculation.
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Reply #41 posted 04/16/04 8:30am

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CalhounSq said:

He shoulda released Shhh... disbelief


I don't think that would have been a good idea since Tevin Campbell's version had gotten significant airplay the year before.
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Reply #42 posted 04/17/04 2:24am

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sextonseven said:

CalhounSq said:

He shoulda released Shhh... disbelief


I don't think that would have been a good idea since Tevin Campbell's version had gotten significant airplay the year before.


I think it would have been an excellent idea so Prince could show 'em how it's DONE cool


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Reply #43 posted 04/17/04 6:51am

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sextonseven said:

LarrytheGOD said:



Comeback? I seriously doubt it. Just like an old 45 u dust off for flavor,, now and then.



When was the last time MTV played a new Prince video? That Musicology is getting spins alone is a small comeback for Prince in my opinion. But it won't be real until the album comes out and goes platinum. Until then, this is just speculation.


The last time MTV played a new prince video was the awful "The Greatest Romance" because Artista launched it $$$ but it only played less than a week (as Musicology lasted only a few days) and since Musicology is a very good video..

..can we conclude that based on the album sales a percentage of the profits gets pumped back into the pushing the video.
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Reply #44 posted 04/17/04 6:48pm

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GrayKing said:

if they hadn't taken the guts out of it (ie, the guitar solo) for the single edit, then it might have done something.


as it is, the single version completely misses the climax/point of the song.

- I agree completely with you. I think Gold Experience is a great album, but it´s a shame that Prince released it in the middle of that battle with Warners. Too bad ´Interactive´, ´´The Ride´and ´Days of Wild´ werent in the place of ´We march´, ´Shy´ and ´319´
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Reply #45 posted 04/17/04 6:51pm

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BinaryJustin said:

Most of the 90s stuff was terrible.

- hahaha...keep dreaming...probably a frustrated Wendy and Lisa fan.
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Reply #46 posted 04/17/04 6:54pm

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LarrytheGOD said:


Comeback? I seriously doubt it. Just like an old 45 u dust off for flavor,, now and then.

- I dont believe in a huge comeback too. I think he can broaden his audience, but I dont think Musicology will reach the teenagers.
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Reply #47 posted 04/17/04 11:30pm

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"Gold", "The One", "Come On", "The Days Of Wild", "Goodbye" and probably a lot more songs like "The Everlasting Now" and "The Last December" could have all done well on the charts and may some day. Remember, time doesn't exist. If the songs are hits to you NOW, the songs are hits. Everything beautiful will blossom under the sun and everything else will disolve under it's light.

Also, "P Control" has all the college kids in this town dancing in the clubs every weekend! It always amazes me. "Kiss" does too.
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Reply #48 posted 04/17/04 11:48pm

manci

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I hate the song and I hate most of the album too.

Most of the 90s stuff was terrible.


Oh my God... You must be a youngin'. 1993 to 1996 produced some of the best stuff of his career. The NPG at that time was phenomenal. I remember we used to walk out of concerts feeling nasty, dirty, and like we just had our asses kicked. It was an amazing time...
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Reply #49 posted 04/18/04 12:28am

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Not a fan of this album myself; I much preferred his Love Symbol album!!
"Just like the sun, the Rainbow Children rise."



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Reply #50 posted 04/18/04 11:58am

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LarrytheGOD said:

The last time MTV played a new prince video was the awful "The Greatest Romance" because Artista launched it $$$ but it only played less than a week (as Musicology lasted only a few days) and since Musicology is a very good video..



By your own admission, Greatest Romance never became part of MTV's regular rotation while Musicology currently is. I was just quoting Entertainment Weekly by using the word "comeback" anyway.
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Reply #51 posted 04/18/04 1:59pm

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I remember when Prince played Dolphin on Letterman. Letterman introduced him like:
"Here is the artist formally known as prince performing the song Dolphin off the album Gold that may never be released."

So I think it almost never was released!
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Reply #52 posted 04/18/04 5:23pm

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WB messed up on this album. It is one of the better Prince albums. With I Hate U, Shh!, TMBGITW, and and Gold, it had all kinds of commercial potential. Prince had proved it on his own with TMBGITW going to no 1 alone on some half ass label
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Reply #53 posted 04/18/04 8:18pm

stillwaiting

'WHY WASN'T "GOLD" A BIG HIT IN THE USA?'

1. No Tour 2 support it. Prince went back 2 his Sign OF The Times tour policy..No shows 4 the USA, other than a few standing room only shows at Glam Slams...where he actually ignored some of Gold's material..2 play such classics as "Shoop" by Salt N Pepa.

2. The album was way over-Produced. Listen 2 the original version of "Endorphinmachine" with all the layered guitar parts. Then listen 2 the "keyboard" version as I call it on the album. It still rocks, but lost it's demo-roughcut appeal, and sounded like P was trying 2 b a perfectionist. The album sounds good, but a little less over-production, and a little more of the demo sound of Dirty Mind or Sign Times..and the album woulda been better.

3. The annoying segues. Listen 2 the great breakdown of "Billy Jack Bitch." Just when the great Horn breakdown starts..u have 2 listen 2 the computer lady shouting "Please access another experience." The intro 2 Eye Hate U suffers from this as well..if u have 2 have interludes, PLEASE place them between songs ONLY..not DURING them.

4. Not including songs like "Interactive," "Acknowledge Me," and "Days of Wild." Eye don't even like Prince's rap thing..but "Wild" was much better than "Now." Would've taken off "Now," "We March," and perhaps "319." Now those three would've made GREAT b-sides, which at this point in his career...he quit giving us b-sides..other than "Rock n' Roll IS Alive."

5. The Name change..and Slave on his face didn't help. He became a media joke, and impressionable young people who might have given him a chance..probably laughed...and said.."That Symbol Guy with Slave on his face?...Hell No!" without even listening.


All in all, "Gold" is still 1 of his best, if not his best 90's albums. He at least stated 2 play a little more guitar, after ignoring it seemingly since "Purple Rain." Now, I don't want Prince 2 just play guitar..but if he's got room 4 Tony M..he should've made a few more guitar tracks throughout the 90's. Just my 2 cents.

P.S. "Chaos And Disorder" had some great guitar work, and is dissed much more than it should. With a little work, that woulda been his best 90's work. "Dig U Better Dead." coulda been recorded differently..now Into The Light/I Will remain some of his most lovely slow songs of the last 10 years. Great Piano and guitar..and Rosie offers some of her great background vocals on "Light."
[This message was edited Sun Apr 18 20:22:15 2004 by stillwaiting]
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Reply #54 posted 04/18/04 9:19pm

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i was just wondering why this great single wasn't a hit in the usa when it went top ten in most of europe?...it peaked at number 2 in airplay over here in the uk and was on the charts for months so what happened in america?...missing out on one of his best singles.. eek


It wasn't a big hit in Europe either. The song sucks.
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Reply #55 posted 04/18/04 10:32pm

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stillwaiting said:

'WHY WASN'T "GOLD" A BIG HIT IN THE USA?'

1. No Tour 2 support it. Prince went back 2 his Sign OF The Times tour policy..No shows 4 the USA, other than a few standing room only shows at Glam Slams...where he actually ignored some of Gold's material..2 play such classics as "Shoop" by Salt N Pepa.

2. The album was way over-Produced. Listen 2 the original version of "Endorphinmachine" with all the layered guitar parts. Then listen 2 the "keyboard" version as I call it on the album. It still rocks, but lost it's demo-roughcut appeal, and sounded like P was trying 2 b a perfectionist. The album sounds good, but a little less over-production, and a little more of the demo sound of Dirty Mind or Sign Times..and the album woulda been better.

3. The annoying segues. Listen 2 the great breakdown of "Billy Jack Bitch." Just when the great Horn breakdown starts..u have 2 listen 2 the computer lady shouting "Please access another experience." The intro 2 Eye Hate U suffers from this as well..if u have 2 have interludes, PLEASE place them between songs ONLY..not DURING them.

4. Not including songs like "Interactive," "Acknowledge Me," and "Days of Wild." Eye don't even like Prince's rap thing..but "Wild" was much better than "Now." Would've taken off "Now," "We March," and perhaps "319." Now those three would've made GREAT b-sides, which at this point in his career...he quit giving us b-sides..other than "Rock n' Roll IS Alive."

5. The Name change..and Slave on his face didn't help. He became a media joke, and impressionable young people who might have given him a chance..probably laughed...and said.."That Symbol Guy with Slave on his face?...Hell No!" without even listening.


All in all, "Gold" is still 1 of his best, if not his best 90's albums. He at least stated 2 play a little more guitar, after ignoring it seemingly since "Purple Rain." Now, I don't want Prince 2 just play guitar..but if he's got room 4 Tony M..he should've made a few more guitar tracks throughout the 90's. Just my 2 cents.

P.S. "Chaos And Disorder" had some great guitar work, and is dissed much more than it should. With a little work, that woulda been his best 90's work. "Dig U Better Dead." coulda been recorded differently..now Into The Light/I Will remain some of his most lovely slow songs of the last 10 years. Great Piano and guitar..and Rosie offers some of her great background vocals on "Light."
[This message was edited Sun Apr 18 20:22:15 2004 by stillwaiting]



You make some good points & comments here.....


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