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Reply #30 posted 04/10/04 9:28am

3NineteeN04

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theblueangel said:

thedog said:

I hate how this Uncle Tom, self hating, hair staightening asshole Prince want's to be Black all of a sudden now that his career is in the dumps.


You're insane. So you're saying that Prince didn't "want to be black" 2 years ago when he was singing "Avalanche"? Or how about in 1996 when he used Martin Luther King's speech in concert and sang "Style is when all black men are free"?

You're the fucking Uncle Tom, self-hating racist here, not Prince.


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Reply #31 posted 04/10/04 9:34am

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metalorange said:

I find it strange this song immediately follows Musicology. You go from a happy song about bringing back the funk, and then this made-up story about a gigalo and a rich woman - it just seems a bit of a wrench, isn't very important in the scheme of things when you consider he's talking about war in some of the other tracks, and doesn't really fit with the rest of the album.

I can only think that it is an allusion to Prince and his battle with Warners/the music biz. That would make it more interesting lyrically, though it would seem a rather bitter throwback to his Emancipation days.

I prefer the idea that Illusion refers to Prince when he was at his height and he thought the record biz loved him, but it wasn't true. Then came Coma when Prince fell into the dolldrums artistically during the early '90s, then he went through that Pimp image in the mid-90s, trying to present the image he was in charge on the record company, then Circumstance could refer to his having to use the record biz right now to promote this new album. 'Who's pimping who?'

But perhaps I'm reaching.


I think you're right. I was thinking the same thing.
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Reply #32 posted 04/10/04 2:36pm

NPGStyyle

Byron said:[quote]Love this blurb from ThisIsTheShit.com:


I had to drop the needle on this track first, for the name alone.


The name of the song caught me first, too. It's the best song on the CD....And who really cares if it's about a rich woman getting used for her money or a beautiful man being used for the funk? It's the JAM!
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Reply #33 posted 04/10/04 2:53pm

morningsong

thedog said:

I hate how this Uncle Tom, self hating, hair staightening asshole Prince want's to be Black all of a sudden now that his career is in the dumps.


Makes me wonder what planet have you been on. Haven't you been paying attention or are you just going by what you've heard?
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Reply #34 posted 04/10/04 2:55pm

morningsong

Anyway, like the song, and I think you're analyzing it too much. Just something that is really going on in the world, don't be surprised, perhaps he knows some folks in that same circumstance.
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Reply #35 posted 04/10/04 3:18pm

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i thought this song was another man vs industry song, artists being the whore, the labels being the pimps.
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Reply #36 posted 04/10/04 5:54pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

i thought this song was another man vs industry song, artists being the whore, the labels being the pimps.


I didn't take it that way since it's so lighthearted, but if it's true, that's a pretty brilliant way to create a double meaning without taking away from the song's charm with self pity.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Reply #37 posted 04/10/04 6:04pm

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My question is: What is a whip? Especially a silver whip?

Tim
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Reply #38 posted 04/10/04 8:14pm

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garganta said:

I am loving this song more and more each time, it´s great

same as "call my name" which I though was just the typical prince ballad but now I find
it really inspired



I didn't hear many people talk aboutt his song when they first hit, but I always thought it was tight as hell. THe vocals are layered perfectly. I'm a big fan of how he layers his vocals. Like in "7" and all. Simply wonderful. Plus the bass work in this cut is an education on how to play. It drips with technique.
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Reply #39 posted 04/10/04 8:14pm

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oneradyear said:

My question is: What is a whip? Especially a silver whip?

Tim



A Car.
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Reply #40 posted 04/11/04 2:52pm

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thedog said:

I hate how this Uncle Tom, self hating, hair staightening asshole Prince want's to be Black all of a sudden now that his career is in the dumps.

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You and other the other African-Americans hate on Prince because he keeps bouncing back.
Funk does not die it mulitplys. Real talent wins in the end.

It is not for you or anyone to tell someone what to do with their hair and you don't sell-out
20,000.00 seat venues if your carreer is in the dumps.

Let's not get into the self-hating rappers and their minstral man antics. They make Prince look like Malcolm X.
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Reply #41 posted 04/11/04 3:07pm

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Laura, PUHLEEZE don't counter ignorance with ignorance...you ignorant so-and-so.
No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.

Sex is not love. Love is not sex. Putting words in other people's mouths will only get you elected.

Need more sleep than coke or methamphetamine.
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Reply #42 posted 04/11/04 3:42pm

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theblueangel said:

Laura, PUHLEEZE don't counter ignorance with ignorance...you ignorant so-and-so.



Thank you.
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Reply #43 posted 04/12/04 9:08am

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laurarichardson said:

thedog said:

I hate how this Uncle Tom, self hating, hair staightening asshole Prince want's to be Black all of a sudden now that his career is in the dumps.

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You and other the other African-Americans hate on Prince because he keeps bouncing back.
Funk does not die it mulitplys. Real talent wins in the end.

It is not for you or anyone to tell someone what to do with their hair and you don't sell-out
20,000.00 seat venues if your carreer is in the dumps.

Let's not get into the self-hating rappers and their minstral man antics. They make Prince look like Malcolm X.


Please don't disbelief
Blue music
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Reply #44 posted 04/12/04 12:10pm

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theblueangel said:

Laura, PUHLEEZE don't counter ignorance with ignorance...you ignorant so-and-so.

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Shut the hell up. I go to other message boards and it always the same old thing. Musicians are sell-outs. Rappers are keeping it real. This fool was taking it somewhere it did not need to go and I called him on it.
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Reply #45 posted 04/12/04 12:12pm

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TheBluePrince said:

laurarichardson said:


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You and other the other African-Americans hate on Prince because he keeps bouncing back.
Funk does not die it mulitplys. Real talent wins in the end.

It is not for you or anyone to tell someone what to do with their hair and you don't sell-out
20,000.00 seat venues if your carreer is in the dumps.

Let's not get into the self-hating rappers and their minstral man antics. They make Prince look like Malcolm X.


Please don't disbelief

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I won't if this joker does not return to this thread.
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Reply #46 posted 04/12/04 12:22pm

tackam

the silver whip to match the color of her hair. . .headbang

For real, can anybody picture P doing BDSM? "Baby, I ain't in to all that" evillol
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Reply #47 posted 04/12/04 5:22pm

mkdagrizzley

Zelaira said:

I thought the way he talked about the Whip he was talking bout Donatella VERSACE.... Think about That? Or well whatever happened to his Friend Gloria? But I won't tell ya more ...

when he talks about a whip' he's speaking of an automobile.So many of you guys are not getting this. On the street, a car is called a whip.
THIS IS NOT MUSIC, THIS IS A TRIP!
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Reply #48 posted 04/13/04 9:38am

tackam

mkdagrizzley said:

Zelaira said:

I thought the way he talked about the Whip he was talking bout Donatella VERSACE.... Think about That? Or well whatever happened to his Friend Gloria? But I won't tell ya more ...

[color=blue:2b2d1de9df][/color]when he talks about a whip' he's speaking of an automobile.So many of you guys are not getting this. On the street, a car is called a whip.


oooOOOOOHHHhhhh. That makes so much more sense. lol
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Reply #49 posted 04/13/04 9:49am

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tackam said:

mkdagrizzley said:


[color=blue:2b2d1de9df][/color]when he talks about a whip' he's speaking of an automobile.So many of you guys are not getting this. On the street, a car is called a whip.


oooOOOOOHHHhhhh. That makes so much more sense. lol


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Reply #50 posted 04/13/04 8:35pm

tackam

FunkMistress said:

tackam said:



oooOOOOOHHHhhhh. That makes so much more sense. lol


falloff


Shut it. I can't help that I'm not street. As the kids say. nana
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Reply #51 posted 04/14/04 10:23am

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chookalana said:

You're an idiot.... It's people like you who make this world shitty. You take the smallest shit and blow it out of proportion

Whatever. Not that I was deeply wounded by your tres articulate attack, but why get personal and insulting? I was just trying to open a topic for discussion and I did it with the acknowledgement that I was nitpicking and overanalyzing.

Serena said:

lmfao '"it's implied he's black"....that's just too stupid to be real.

I fail to see what's stupid about it. If the gigolo is not black, what would be the point of taking such pains to point out Doris' whiteness? Why would it even be an issue? You mileage may vary though. You're free to interpret it any way you see fit. That said, does anyone else hear this song and think the gigolo is white?

I really like the idea that the song is an allegory for his relationship with the music business. Works for me.
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Reply #52 posted 04/14/04 11:02am

PurpleCharm

laurarichardson said:

thedog said:

I hate how this Uncle Tom, self hating, hair staightening asshole Prince want's to be Black all of a sudden now that his career is in the dumps.

-----
You and other the other African-Americans hate on Prince because he keeps bouncing back.
Funk does not die it mulitplys. Real talent wins in the end.

It is not for you or anyone to tell someone what to do with their hair and you don't sell-out
20,000.00 seat venues if your carreer is in the dumps.

Let's not get into the self-hating rappers and their minstral man antics. They make Prince look like Malcolm X.


WTF are you talking about "You and other the other African-Americans hate on Prince because he keeps bouncing back." Do you even realize how ignorant that comment is. Exactly what Black people are you referring to..please expound on your ignorance.
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Reply #53 posted 04/14/04 11:44am

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PurpleCharm said:

laurarichardson said:


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You and other the other African-Americans hate on Prince because he keeps bouncing back.
Funk does not die it mulitplys. Real talent wins in the end.

It is not for you or anyone to tell someone what to do with their hair and you don't sell-out
20,000.00 seat venues if your carreer is in the dumps.

Let's not get into the self-hating rappers and their minstral man antics. They make Prince look like Malcolm X.


WTF are you talking about "You and other the other African-Americans hate on Prince because he keeps bouncing back." Do you even realize how ignorant that comment is. Exactly what Black people are you referring to..please expound on your ignorance.

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Hip-Hop heads. I am making it plain enough for you. Judging anyone's blackness based on their hairstyle, clothes and color of their skin is totally ignorant.

Prince is black and if he did not know it before he definitly knows it now.
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Reply #54 posted 04/14/04 12:16pm

PurpleCharm

laurarichardson said:

PurpleCharm said:



WTF are you talking about "You and other the other African-Americans hate on Prince because he keeps bouncing back." Do you even realize how ignorant that comment is. Exactly what Black people are you referring to..please expound on your ignorance.

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Hip-Hop heads. I am making it plain enough for you. Judging anyone's blackness based on their hairstyle, clothes and color of their skin is totally ignorant.

Prince is black and if he did not know it before he definitly knows it now.

so now 'Hip Hop Heads' is code for Black? Only Black people like hip hop?...whatever. What I quoted said nothing about 'hip hop heads'...you clearly said 'You and the other the other African-Americans.....'
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Reply #55 posted 04/14/04 4:24pm

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freakebear said:

What I love about this song:
It's funky. Great melody, very catchy, great vocals, great guitar playing. No preaching.

What I don't like so much (and yes, by the way, I am nitpicking):
If Doris and her gigolo are both selfish people just getting what they need from each other, why is all the criticism aimed at Doris? We hear about how ugly she is, her big nose, how recklessly she throws her money around, and how she doesn't even care that her kept boy is hooking up with his old flame as long as her money is not in danger. This man is clearly an amoral, materialistic user living off an older woman he finds unattractive, but he is not criticized. He is basically lauded for being clever enough to work it for whatever he can get because he is "too fine" for her. There's no avoiding the race issue- she's white and it's implied he's black.

Does Doris get all the disrespect because she's older? Female? White? Ugly? What makes the gigolo any better than his sugar mama? I'd love to hear what women think about this song.


Man, you are crazy!! Where the hell does the racial issue come up?? IMPLIED??

Anyways, I think the blame SHOULD go on the woman. Its saying, just cause you got money, don't mean you can get ANYTHING...at least not completely. Can't buy love. the guy isn't as guilty, but still is pretty immoral for hooking up with someone just for the money. Prince does call HIM: "A dirty dog in expensive fur". But its on her to realize that money doesn't buy happiness. If the roles were reversed, then the man would be to blame for this situation. The guy wouldn't be there if the ugly lady didn't give him money, now huh?? So the question is posed, "who's pimpin' who??"
"The voter is less important than the man who provides money to the candidate," - Former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens
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Reply #56 posted 04/15/04 4:45pm

gyro34

freakebear said:

What I love about this song:
It's funky. Great melody, very catchy, great vocals, great guitar playing. No preaching.

What I don't like so much (and yes, by the way, I am nitpicking):
If Doris and her gigolo are both selfish people just getting what they need from each other, why is all the criticism aimed at Doris? We hear about how ugly she is, her big nose, how recklessly she throws her money around, and how she doesn't even care that her kept boy is hooking up with his old flame as long as her money is not in danger. This man is clearly an amoral, materialistic user living off an older woman he finds unattractive, but he is not criticized. He is basically lauded for being clever enough to work it for whatever he can get because he is "too fine" for her. There's no avoiding the race issue- she's white and it's implied he's black.

Does Doris get all the disrespect because she's older? Female? White? Ugly? What makes the gigolo any better than his sugar mama? I'd love to hear what women think about this song.


Based on your analysis of the song, I would say that Prince has issues and it is reflected in these lyrics.
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