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Reply #30 posted 04/10/04 3:27am

BinaryJustin

There is an obvious theme to the album, but it isn't necessarily the concept of educating the masses to the lost art of songcraft... I believe that the theme of the album is about educating the masses to the lost art of PRINCE.

I'm being serious here. I think that each track on the album is representative of a stage in Prince's musical career.

I don't think its any accident that the first track on the album is called Musicology and the last is called Reflection. He is studying and revisiting his own work - not anybody else's.

The album touches on a lot of classic Prince flourishes:

Synth Horns;
Linn Drum Machines;
Whimsical "Wendy & Lisa" type ambles;
Cryptic political statements (like 'Ronnie Talk 2 Russia', 'Sign O' The Times' etc);
Dense jazzy arrangements with pop lyrics.

Its all there. Its a musical salad made up of Prince's past output.

The lyrics are a lot stronger than anything since before Graffiti Bridge. Maybe I don't agree with him on a personal level (such as the "no point in voting" line in 'Dear Mr. Man') but at least he's expressing himself again. He hasn't sounded this alive since Lovesexy.

There are already classic tracks on this album: The title track; "Illusion, Coma Pimp And Circumstance"; "If Eye Was The Man In Ur Life" and "Reflection". They are all as good as anything on Sign O' The Times. I never even liked every track on Sign O'The Times... 'It' and 'U Got The Look' always have me leaping for the skip button.

I even like 'Life O' The Party' - but then, I'm one of the few people who enjoy listening to Newpower Soul.
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Reply #31 posted 04/10/04 4:55am

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BinaryJustin said:

chookalana said:

Musicology is THE BEST ALBUM SINCE "SIGN 'O' THE TIMES", PERIOD.

Better than Lovesexy, better than prince , better than Diamonds & Pearls, THE BEST SONG WRITING SINCE 1987.


I completely agree with you.


co-sign.. exactly what I was thinking.... for me it's the best album since SOTT; I mean "Call my name" alone... it's frieking genious..
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Reply #32 posted 04/10/04 10:24am

BinaryJustin

'Dear Mr. Man' is as good as anything on "There's A Riot Going On".

I can even listen to 'Cinnamon Girl' now.
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Reply #33 posted 04/10/04 11:57am

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BinaryJustin said:


There are already classic tracks on this album...They are all as good as anything on Sign O' The Times. I never even liked every track on Sign O'The Times... 'It' and 'U Got The Look' always have me leaping for the skip button.


wow,still not heard Musicology but if the majority of the tracks are anything as brilliant as 'It'
or as catchy as 'U got the look' then I'm gonna love the album.
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Reply #34 posted 04/10/04 12:21pm

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BinaryJustin said:



There are already classic tracks on this album: The title track; "Illusion, Coma Pimp And Circumstance"; "If Eye Was The Man In Ur Life" and "Reflection". They are all as good as anything on Sign O' The Times. I never even liked every track on Sign O'The Times... 'It' and 'U Got The Look' always have me leaping for the skip button.


This is getting scary----I fell the same way. I skip It and U Got The Look too as well etc...
Oh my, oh my.
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Reply #35 posted 04/10/04 12:28pm

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I love It but U Got the Look irritates me these days.
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Reply #36 posted 04/10/04 12:35pm

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The way I see it, He released Lovesexy. An overtly religious album which was followed directly by Graffitti Bridge, which was really kind of a joint effort so it doesn't really count as a "Prince" album. After that though was Batman. I feel that this album, Musicology, closely mirrors that effort. Not one thing about it was overtly outstanding, however it was a good album overall and a great pop effort. That's What musicology is. There isn't one thing that is really outstanding about, but it just is a great pop effort following some weird religious effort.
No barriers were broken with batman but it was a good if not great album at least. Same with Musicology. Not many musical barriers were broken, but that doesn't detur from thre fact that it is a good album, if not great. Every musical style attempted is an education in that genere.
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Reply #37 posted 04/10/04 12:44pm

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I thought the Batman album really sucked though.

Aside from Batdance, Scandalous, Vicki Waiting and Electric Chair, not one single song kept my attention.

Boring pop fluff.

Musicology has way more depth in the way it both lightheartedly AND sombrely explores concerns about relationships, government, and society.

Sure, there's pop songs like Cinnamon Girl and outrageously fun songs like Illusion..., but they're not superficial at all.

Musicology's a pop album with powerful lyrical depth.

The songs on it that don't impress me much are the title track cause it lacks a hook, and Life 'O' the Party cause the chorus sounds a bit outdated.

Even those songs are solid to me though.

[This message was edited Sat Apr 10 12:48:56 2004 by PurpleKnight]
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Reply #38 posted 04/10/04 12:48pm

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The way I see it, He released Lovesexy. An overtly religious album which was followed directly by Graffitti Bridge, which was really kind of a joint effort so it doesn't really count as a "Prince" album. After that though was Batman. I feel that this album, Musicology, closely mirrors that effort. Not one thing about it was overtly outstanding, however it was a good album overall and a great pop effort. That's What musicology is. There isn't one thing that is really outstanding about, but it just is a great pop effort following some weird religious effort.
No barriers were broken with batman but it was a good if not great album at least. Same with Musicology. Not many musical barriers were broken, but that doesn't detur from thre fact that it is a good album, if not great. Every musical style attempted is an education in that genere.

Dude Batman was released before GB and after Lovesexy..and you havent digested Musicology its only been out for 2 weeks lol. There is a lot happening oin it, you just havent heard them. Lots of outstanding things there. For example , using anothers response:

"There are several THAT moments"
Here they are...
on Illusion Pimp Coma Circumstance when he is sliding the chords to the flangy guitar all angular like.

On Million Days when he hits the chorus bending the guitar notes.

On Cinammon Girl when he twists it with the Joni quirkiness with his synth/guitar/vocals "And we all know how that movie is ending"

On Call my name when everything stops and he says "STOP THE WAR"
to just his harmony vocals. That is such a killer sense of timing.

On If eye was the man in ur life- the way he segues into this song with the intro of the band...and the high end notes on the piano. And his band does like a Gold Experience ala Prince/Michael B type intro. Powerful...

On the couch-When he sings along with the harmony vocals and the horns and then does his own vocal turn.

On What do u want me 2 do-When he takes a bensoneque/prince guitar solo.

Dear Mr Man-The horn stabs ala Family Stonesque with the fuzzed out edgy guitar solo.


This is a 4 star album for mainstream. It succeeds where Rave doesn't because of it's time length and void of guest stars who distracted some of the songs. He leaves a new listener wanting more. And that is how you do an album....when you have been out of the spotlight for 4 years since your Rave period.


But Batman was pre GB lol..now if anything that cd was a throwaway even though some gems yes...Musicology is a consistent solid effort.

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[This message was edited Sat Apr 10 12:48:58 2004 by SENSHY]
Oh my, oh my.
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Reply #39 posted 04/10/04 12:59pm

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PurpleKnight said:

[color=mediumpurple:741092da68]I thought the Batman album really sucked though.

Aside from Batdance, Scandalous, Vicki Waiting and Electric Chair, not one single song kept my attention.

Boring pop fluff.

Musicology has way more depth in the way it both lightheartedly AND sombrely explores concerns about relationships, government, and society.

Sure, there's pop songs like Cinnamon Girl, but they're not superficial at all.

Musicology's a pop album with powerful lyrical depth.[/color]



First I'd like to apoligize for getting the order of the albums wrong.

Batdance Scandalous, Vicki Waiting and Electric Chair is almost Half the album. Thats far from not one single song keeping your attention. As for lyrically, yes it was based off of a movie, but they're were many powerful, moving and personal versus. One being :

Talk of children still frightens me
Is my character enough 2 be
One that deserves a copy made?
This I one day, hope 2 see
Until then she's held at bay

This vesre being one that I think he has finnally reliased more than a decade later.

We all know that the song Musicology is lyrically as deep as they get...right.
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Reply #40 posted 04/10/04 1:03pm

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psykosoul said:

Why don't you just start being negative there also? For the most part, everybody here gets your online schtick: "I'm EvilWhiteMale the satan worshipping asshole who comes to this board to say shit just to get folks feathers ruffled because I find it amusing although I really love Prince's music" Truthfully, it's amusing at times. But you've gotten so redundant it's become annoying as hell. Take a break, man...just take a break.



Ignore me then. Why waste your time?
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Reply #41 posted 04/10/04 1:04pm

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SENSHY said:


While errybody is busy suckin your dick let me say this:

It is not as if EWM came up with some fair/sensible/objective put criticism...he came up with some purposeful flame inducing bait to describve his thoujghts. Only later after the rian fell did he attempt some common sense opinion.

Nobody cares if folks do not like Prince, his output, or anything else..but when you post a certain way.."be prepared ot get pushed back"



Oohhh, I'm scared.
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Reply #42 posted 04/10/04 1:04pm

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BobGeorge999 said:

PurpleKnight said:

[color=mediumpurple:741092da68]I thought the Batman album really sucked though.

Aside from Batdance, Scandalous, Vicki Waiting and Electric Chair, not one single song kept my attention.

Boring pop fluff.

Musicology has way more depth in the way it both lightheartedly AND sombrely explores concerns about relationships, government, and society.

Sure, there's pop songs like Cinnamon Girl, but they're not superficial at all.

Musicology's a pop album with powerful lyrical depth.[/color]



First I'd like to apoligize for getting the order of the albums wrong.

Batdance Scandalous, Vicki Waiting and Electric Chair is almost Half the album. Thats far from not one single song keeping your attention. As for lyrically, yes it was based off of a movie, but they're were many powerful, moving and personal versus. One being :

Talk of children still frightens me
Is my character enough 2 be
One that deserves a copy made?
This I one day, hope 2 see
Until then she's held at bay

This vesre being one that I think he has finnally reliased more than a decade later.

We all know that the song Musicology is lyrically as deep as they get...right.


You've totally misunderstood me.

First of all, I didn't say not one single song off Batman kept my attention, I said not one single song aside from that small collection did.

Second, I didn't say the song Musicology is lyrically deep, I said the Musicology album is.
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Reply #43 posted 04/10/04 1:09pm

SENSHY

EvilWhiteMale said:

SENSHY said:


While errybody is busy suckin your dick let me say this:

It is not as if EWM came up with some fair/sensible/objective put criticism...he came up with some purposeful flame inducing bait to describve his thoujghts. Only later after the rian fell did he attempt some common sense opinion.

Nobody cares if folks do not like Prince, his output, or anything else..but when you post a certain way.."be prepared ot get pushed back"



Oohhh, I'm scared.

My thoughts exactly when jedi moaster propped u with that quip of "be prepared to get pushed back"...I stated the same thing in quotes a s a mocking getsure to show how stupid it was..and u reply "ohh Im scared." Dude you are so emotionally immature its now qite apparent...as if it hasn't been for the past year.

Which explains the MM fascination
Oh my, oh my.
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Reply #44 posted 04/10/04 1:13pm

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I think most of Manson's music is dreadful, but he's really interesting as a person. Incredibly smart and unique.
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Reply #45 posted 04/10/04 1:19pm

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SENSHY said:

My thoughts exactly when jedi moaster propped u with that quip of "be prepared to get pushed back"...I stated the same thing in quotes a s a mocking getsure to show how stupid it was..and u reply "ohh Im scared." Dude you are so emotionally immature its now qite apparent...as if it hasn't been for the past year.

Which explains the MM fascination



You love giving me attention, don't you?
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Reply #46 posted 04/10/04 1:21pm

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PurpleKnight said:

[color=mediumpurple:52fadc7a3e]I think most of Manson's music is dreadful, but he's really interesting as a person. Incredibly smart and unique.[/color]



Plus, he had a #1 album last year.
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Reply #47 posted 04/10/04 1:29pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

SENSHY said:

My thoughts exactly when jedi moaster propped u with that quip of "be prepared to get pushed back"...I stated the same thing in quotes a s a mocking getsure to show how stupid it was..and u reply "ohh Im scared." Dude you are so emotionally immature its now qite apparent...as if it hasn't been for the past year.

Which explains the MM fascination



You love giving me attention, don't you?


You don't seem to mind receiving it. smile
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Reply #48 posted 04/10/04 1:31pm

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Okay, here's the deal. I just got Musicology. I keep all reviews out of the box and reserve all for me to decide.

I did not think Musicology would be much. I love TRC and think a lot of Prince's music lately, though not bad, just isn't not great. I liten to N.E.W.S and NPG online stuff, but I was not prepared for what I was about to hear. Musicology is THE BEST ALBUM SINCE "SIGN 'O' THE TIMES", PERIOD.

Better than Lovesexy, better than prince , better than Diamonds & Pearls, THE BEST SONG WRITING SINCE 1987.

I don't know what all the negativity is about. "Prince is screwing up his last chance", Blah, blah, blah. This is just people wanting to hear Purple Rain 2 or 1999 2. I am convinced this is what it is. Prince hits more NEW kinds of music styles than ever before.

Purple Rain 2 WILL NOT HAPPEN PEOPLE! And I'm sure than when the new Purple Rain Special Edition DVD hits the stores, these same people will complain about it.

Lately, when I hear a new Prince album, I hear something I may discard. Like the narration on TRC. That album, as great as it is, would be BETTER without it. But Musicology is GREAT the way it is.

For the first time in recent years, there is not over playing on this album. The music is so eloquently put together. Everything has a purpose.

Musicology is Parade meets TRC meets ATWIAD meets Dream Factory meets NEW PRINCE.

Dare I say if U don't like Musicology, there's something wrong with U


LOL at all of this. i'd take the truth over musicology any day, or emancipation even. now theres an album with ten times better songwriting than musicology.
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Reply #49 posted 04/10/04 1:37pm

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Aerogram said:

EvilWhiteMale said:




You love giving me attention, don't you?


You don't seem to mind receiving it. smile



Kinda flattering I guess. There's no such thing as bad press.
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Reply #50 posted 04/10/04 1:39pm

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LOL at all of this. i'd take the truth over musicology any day, or emancipation even. now theres an album with ten times better songwriting than musicology.



Damn right. The Love We Make by itself beats the shit out of any track on Musicology.
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Reply #51 posted 04/10/04 1:43pm

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Love We Make is gorgeous. nod
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Reply #52 posted 04/10/04 1:47pm

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PurpleKnight said:

Love We Make is gorgeous. nod



It's a great song. Now seriously, what track on Musicology can even come close to it?
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Reply #53 posted 04/10/04 1:47pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:


LOL at all of this. i'd take the truth over musicology any day, or emancipation even. now theres an album with ten times better songwriting than musicology.



Damn right. The Love We Make by itself beats the shit out of any track on Musicology.


exactly. if you pared emancipation down to a single CD, it would be his best album of the 90s. i dont even know why TGE gets cited as his best 90s album. that honour IMO goes to emancipation or the truth. emancipation had his most consistent and most considered songcraft in years, possibly since SOTT (although i hate that sort of hyperbole). and even at 3cds long, excepting maybe 5 songs, i dont think theres anything thats better on musicology.

musicology is merely rave part deux.
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Reply #54 posted 04/10/04 2:03pm

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funkbabyandthebabysitters said:



musicology is merely rave part deux.



It really is.
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Reply #55 posted 04/10/04 3:55pm

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psykosoul said:

Why don't you just start being negative there also? For the most part, everybody here gets your online schtick: "I'm EvilWhiteMale the satan worshipping asshole who comes to this board to say shit just to get folks feathers ruffled because I find it amusing although I really love Prince's music" Truthfully, it's amusing at times. But you've gotten so redundant it's become annoying as hell. Take a break, man...just take a break.



Ignore me then. Why waste your time?


I kinda gett off on mocking you because you make yourself look like an idiot in the long run. I didn't know how sensitive and tender you really were until you orgnoted me all pissed off about something I said to you earlier. biggrin
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Reply #56 posted 04/10/04 4:51pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:




Ignore me then. Why waste your time?


I kinda gett off on mocking you because you make yourself look like an idiot in the long run. I didn't know how sensitive and tender you really were until you orgnoted me all pissed off about something I said to you earlier. biggrin


falloff

yup..sounds like EWM's M.O.

this guy (shakes head)
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Reply #57 posted 04/10/04 5:34pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:



musicology is merely rave part deux.



It really is.


What was really wrong with Rave?

Do ppl so easily forget that it had one of the most heartwrenchingly sad ballads ever in I Love U But...?

Baby Knows 4/5
Man 'O' War 4/5
Silly Game 3.5/5
Wherever U Go... 4.5/5
Prettyman 3.5/5
Greatest Romance 3.5/5
Tangerine 3.5/5
The Sun, Moon and Stars 4/5
I Love U But... 5/5


That's really not bad. It's a solid star star star 1/2 album to me.

If those few uninspired, forced, plastic sounding songs like Hot Wit U, Undisputed, and Every Day... weren't there, it would've been great.

So yeah, I do think Musicology is a little like Rave, except in a way that shows Prince learned from his mistakes.

Just my opinion.
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Reply #58 posted 04/10/04 6:28pm

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psykosoul said:

I kinda gett off on mocking you because you make yourself look like an idiot in the long run. I didn't know how sensitive and tender you really were until you orgnoted me all pissed off about something I said to you earlier. biggrin



Cuz I'd prefer handling personal issues without an audience. I don't need them for moral support. I can stand on my own. The computer gives people like you balls that I'm sure you'd never have in the real world.
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Reply #59 posted 04/10/04 6:30pm

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falloff

yup..sounds like EWM's M.O.

this guy (shakes head)



I order you to keep responding to my posts and give me attention. Obey me!
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