You know what some one just said it best Prince is a major ICON in the music business I mean when my great grand kids are old enough to listen to music they will be judging the success of there music genius to that of the body of work from the good old days by PRINCE! So, please tell me what "COME BACK" he never left in my eyes…

4 all you HATERS out there, just remember what Prince said on the TRUTH: “Don’t Play Me I Already do in My Car” Don’t play cuz I will in my car 2

Supernova said:

Exactly!

At least when thedog posts some bs like this, he doesn't sit on the thread and argue with everyone who disagrees with him and thank those that do agree with him.
Unlike EWM, he doesn't seem starved for attention.
Last chance? That's almost as funny (and stupid) as asking if all of us who are loving what Prince is doing right now are related to or friends with him?

If Prince were to "blow it" this time, whatever that means... I think he could sit back on his laurels at this point and retire a living legend with plenty of cash in his pockets and just enjoy life with wife & family...

In other words, none of this seems like much of a life & death issue. Not to me, at least.

.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 9 5:35:18 2004 by XxAxX]

When we first heard Prince was doing a tour in the round, pretty much all of us here thought he was nuts, that he'd be playing in front of arenas that are 3/4 empty.

Now he's playing in front of sold out arenas left and right.

When we first heard the Musicology single, we thought it'd get almost no airplay and wouldn't get noticed.

Now it's getting plenty of airplay and has even made the VH1 countdown.

We were all completely disappointed when rumours of him resigning with WB came to nothing and it looked like the new album would be another unpromoted NPG release.

Now he's signed with Columbia and everything's going smoothly.

A lot of ppl started speculating that the new album would suck, that it'd get canned.

Now it's getting great reviews from almost everyone here (almost everyone in the Musicology questionnaire here has stated that they're really pleased with it), and it even got four stars from RS.


He's already gotten inducted into the RRHOF in amazing fashion (that guitar solo was breathtaking), made a lot of money off this tour and the NPGMC Musicology downloads, and who knows what'll happen when he releases another single like Call My Name or A Million Days. That's not even to mention the extra publicity he'll get from the 20th anniversary or Purple Rain that's still to come later this year.

This is a great year for Prince. Period.
[This message was edited Fri Apr 9 5:43:41 2004 by PurpleKnight]
[This message was edited Fri Apr 9 5:45:48 2004 by PurpleKnight]

Okay, I'm not going to debate whether or not Musicology sucks, since everyone has their own opinion on that. What I have to disagree with EWM and thedog on is that that has any bearing whatsoever on whether or not this album will sell. If its properly promoted it will, regardless of how good the content is. Usher's new album is at #1, and its a veritable feast of pure, utter shite. Britney sells albums left and right, and they are completely craptacular. Justin Timberlake has yet to do anything that doesn't sound like he dug it out of Michael Jackson's trash, and he continuosly charts high. Why? Because all these artists are getting the proper push of promotion. If Columbia pushes this album properly, it will sell, regardless of the content.

Two of Prince's best selling albums are also two many fans consider among his weakest: Batman and Diamonds & Pearls. These did not sell well because they were "masterpieces', but rather because of the fact that WB pushed them properly, and Prince released singles that attracted folks to the discs. If folks had heard "Jughead" first off D&P, that album wouldn't have sold nearly as much. If "Lemon Crush" had been the first release off of "Batman" it would not have taken in nearly as much, in spite of the success of the film. Sure, "Rave" got promoted by Arista, but Clive chose "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold" as the first single, which was a huge mistake. Clive's attempt to push P to the R&B market, instead of the VH-1 crowd, was his biggest blunder. Had "So Far, So Pleased" been the lead single, the popularity of No Doubt alone would have probably generated interest. So far, Columbia is pushing the single of "Musicology" to the VH-1 viewership, which is a very smart move. The fact that Prince has already entered their countdown is a pretty good sign that the promotion is working.

So, regardless of whether or not the album is a bad one or not, it really doesn't matter. Quality hasn't been what has sold albums in a good long while.

some people like golden showers...

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Yes, I agree about the balance on this sight, just some would pay to see the seamonkeys. As for me, I have a very open mind to Prince taking new direction with his music. I can hardly wait for whatever we hear from him in the coming years.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

I think there are more obessive fams than critics. That's just how I see it.

Anxiety said:

I'm definitely in the minority. I gave the worst review out of anyone in the Musicology rating thread.

luv2u143 said:

I don't see any growth, just aging. He could have made this album 10 years ago if he was into this style of music. It's lifeless and empty. I heard no great technical skill either. There was really nothing impressive about this album at all.

3NineteeN04 said:

Sorry, I didn't have patience to read this whole post. But I got the general idea. Look back at some of my past Musicology posts if you want more information on my opinions regarding the album.

thebugman6 said:

If that theory helps you sleep at night, then so be it. Enjoy.

shygirl said:

Are you Prince's niece?

AAAAAH

I think musicology is a great album .And what is wrong that he maybe recorded it years ago.
When i read all the critics on here i always ask why some people are still intrested in Prince.
He makes so much music some good some bad .His concerts are always a happening .
And like some people say in this topic he does what he want 2 do .And thats what i love about Prince.I think we are very spoiled wich artist does almost very year a tour our bring out so much music .But ok u are free 2 give your own opinium .

JediMaster said:

I have to disagree to a point here. The reason why Britney Spears and Usher have hit albums is because they've had a good streak and they continue to release catchy songs. A song with a good hook is all an artist needs to sell. Musicology could be promoted up the wazzoo, but there's not one catchy hook on that whole album, especially not in the title track. It's not gonna make the charts because it's weak and has nothing to stick in the head. I'm no fan of Britney Spears, but I couldn't tell you how many times Toxic has played in my head. I've heard Musicology several times and I have almost no memory of how it goes.

EvilWhiteMale said:

why are you so dependent on songs with prominent hooks? not all songs have to have hooks, y'know.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

You're absolutely right, but this album has nothing. It's nothing special technically, which I think most would agree, so that won't sell it. The only thing left is catchyness, and the album is totally lacking in it. I mean seriously, how many Musicology songs keep repeating in your head?

EvilWhiteMale said:

I guess that is where a lot of us differ. Along with Van Hunt's album, White Stripes' Peel Sessions, I've been playing "Musicology' constantly. Several of the songs stay in my head. The music, and vocals.

EvilWhiteMale said:

See my sig.....
("The Marrying Kind" is very catchy)
"Reflection" is a beautiful tune. It's in my head a lot these days.
"Illusion, Coma, Pimp & Circumstance" was in my head after a couple of listens.
"What Do You Want Me To Do?" - Very catchy
"Dear Mr. Man" - great lyrics, good beat.
EWM, I get a lot more outta this record when I listen to it with headphones.
But that's just the way I prefer to listen, because I like hearing all the little things. You made an interesting point about Britney and Usher. They're hot at the moment, but I can't say there's anything technically stimulating about Usher's collab w/Lil' John. I like Toxic. That's some catchy stuff. But whether or not it's a technically brilliant song is totally subjective.
I wasn't impressed with the track Musicology at first, but after a couple of listens I could feel the energy there.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Okay, I see your point, BUT, I still maintain that you can sell almost anything if its promoted right. I've heard lots of crap on the radio by folks like R Kelly that have no hook at all, and yet everytime you turn on the radio his crap is being played.

Look at it in terms of films (which have a similar marketing stragedy). How could some piece of garbage like Scooby Doo 2 or The Matrix Revolutions be hits? We all knew from the previous installments that the films were gonna be crap, yet folks still went to see them. Marketing is the answer. If folks are shown that something has a "buzz" then they become eager to find out what its all about.

Besides, how many great artists DON'T get airplay, even with great, hook laden tunes? Case in point (and I use this example because its someone you & I both like) Marilyn Manson. Golden Age Of Grotesque had a few tunes that could have really gotten some airplay on rock radio if the marketing had been done properly. I mean "Dall Digga Buzz Buzz Ziggedy Zag" was about the catchiest tune I've heard since Adam Ant's career died a horrible death! Why wasn't this song a hit? Poor promotion, plain and simple. (if they fuck up the promotion of his "Greatest Hits", I may have to go trottle some execs)

**edited for redundancy**
[This message was edited Fri Apr 9 8:31:17 2004 by TheBigBang]

JediMaster said:

True, a lot of music would sell better with the right promotion. I just don't hear any real hits on musicology at all. Plus Prince has a big disadvantage because he hasn't had a hit song in over a decade. He's getting a lot of attention with his hits right now, but I have yet to see people go crazy for his new shit. I guess we'll have to see, but if Musicology becomes a hit, I'll be very surprised.

purplecam said:

Right. I don't think these people are paying attention. He's getting good press and good reviews for the album. He's not blowing it. Some people will find something the complain about.

JediMaster said:

JEDI WISDOM!

EvilWhiteMale said:

Congratulations. well done. man u are SO boring. U just keep on
repeating urself over and over again where do u get the time

I like musicology. And now i won't be repeating this another 20 times ok?
Usher 50 cent Britney Justin Timberlake
Y'all need to go to skool!


Prince
Michael Jackson ( Justin )
Madonna (Britney? She never will be as good as Madonna!
Madonna queen of pop: the singles, the video's, her style... Britney: NO style
jus check that video with Britney & Madonna in her white suit: now tell me
who's really COOL? bye bye britney u suck
[This message was edited Fri Apr 9 8:59:03 2004 by PaisleyPark]

Crack is wack.

Without a hook, a song isn't really a song.

EvilWhiteMale said:

said the OFFICIAL HATER
[This message was edited Fri Apr 9 9:11:08 2004 by PaisleyPark]