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Printablenamepeace said: 1. I haven't heard the LP yet. I am going to buy it in the stores so as to help the LP's official release.
I love you, 'Peace. 2. To those who declare that Prince has "won" some kind of "war," he didn't do it on the strength of his new material. He did it using his signature hits, which to his credit, the mass audience seems never get tired of hearing. He also did it using arguably the hottest star of the last 2 years, as well as his own incredible showmanship. When he performs his new stuff, he doesn't get much response. Case in point: almost 10 years ago, on the AMAs, Dick Clark gave him a prime opportunity to push "The Gold Experience" material with a 3-4 song medley and the LP (his best in the last 16 years, IMHO, and one with significant radio potential) went nowhere commercially. 3. The attention he is receiving now is more of a reflection on his past accomplishments rather than a celebration of his new work. The mass media is now realizing, "hey, we haven't reported on this guy for 10 years, and now that he's been elected to the RRHOF, and is an influence on new artists, maybe we should express some appreciation and see what he's up to." 4. Be wary, we've seen this kind of thing before. Every few years, Prince gets a lot of publicity for a short window of time for a new album, and the media says, "will this one be up to par with Purple Rain?" or something like that. When the answer is no, they drop him like a stone. It feels a little different this time, but be warned. 5. ALL the critics -- and sometimes, orgers -- say the "new Prince album" is "his best in years." When it first comes out. Then a year or two later, they dis it and treat it as if it never existed (see Graffiti Bridge, Emancipation, The Gold Experience, The Love Symbol Album). Heck, NEWS was nominated for a Grammy and most reports I read on it were negative! 6. Everyone on the org loves Prince, so the idea of "haters" on this site (at least when it comes to Prince) is absurd. What I have "hated" about him over the last few years is his lack of consistent musical output and the increasing difficulty in accessing his new work. His "emancipation" from the industry has been at the expense of even a lot of his most loyal fans. That's what I "hate" about Prince. 7. As a music fan, there is nothing I want more than for the mass audience to reward and recognize Prince for his many accomplishments. I may dig this album, I may not, but I do hope it -- and Prince -- do well in 2004.   | |
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BlackandRising said: Supernova said: And it's time for some to stop lying claiming they said the lead-off single would flop when they clearly said the album would flop without even hearing it: "you don't have to hear it to know how it'll turn out," then coming back to post threads about how good it is...
` [This message was edited Tue Apr 6 21:40:37 2004 by Supernova] Now, see..this is the thread I started that was locked after much debate, and eventually got me bounced for a week. But I was flagged because I was being mean or what not, when all I was doing was calling people out on their inability to criticize fairly. Check it out and see if I'm lying. http://www.prince.org/msg...sg_1493529 You got bounced because of that? Unfrigginbelievable.  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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who cares though? i respect and like all the media atention and coverage but that doesnt mean the music is up to much. |
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Aerogram said:[quote] namepeace said: 4. Be wary, we've seen this kind of thing before. Every few years, Prince gets a lot of publicity for a short window of time for a new album, and the media says, "will this one be up to par with Purple Rain?" or something like that. When the answer is no, they drop him like a stone. It feels a little different this time, but be warned.
The difference is a top-grossing tour in America for the first time in ages, appearing on the Grammies and the RRHOF ceremony, plus an album that is backed by a video and that has been well-received so far. This configuration has not happened in many, many years, and it seems to be working perfectly. Precisely. There is a big difference this time. Not the least of which has to do with the fact that there is a major label involved, so phoney publications like Rolling Stone can review the new album with a more pretentious/less narrow ear, and more bandwagoners (and casual fans in general) are being exposed to it via radio much more often. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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funkbabyandthebabysitters said: who cares though? i respect and like all the media atention and coverage but that doesnt mean the music is up to much.
I believe that some of the 90's records will enjoy better reputations in years to come. Yes, many had deep flaws, but with a few exceptions, Prince never did sink as low as some of the critics have said. In particular, what was considered "dated" production will no longer matter as much. The truth is that Prince was measured according to an unbelievably high standard -- the one he himself set. His status as a so-called genius made him fair game, especially as his behavior brought him ridicule. Here was this person who clearly thought himself a genius and was engaging in what seemed to be the most narcissistic fashion -- you can bet that many took him to task critically. "You think you are a genius? Prove it" everyone seemed to say. With this So in the eyes of many it would either be a PR or SOTT for the 90's or be almost total crap Now, there's many things I don't like about the 90's, but it was nowhere as bad as a whole as some seems to think today. Give it a few more years and a couple of acclaimed albums, and you'll see. Prince is not the first person to suffer the Curse of the Fallen Genius -- some of his 90's work will be rehabilitated. People like polarized debates and opinions because they make it simpler to have a strong opinion -- both sides, "asskissers" and "naysayers" -- are guilty of the either/or mentality that make fair assessments so difficult. Some people like to go on about how every Prince record is either nearly all gems or all crap and that is such plastic, fisher toy thinking. | |
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Aerogram said: funkbabyandthebabysitters said: who cares though? i respect and like all the media atention and coverage but that doesnt mean the music is up to much.
I believe that some of the 90's records will enjoy better reputations in years to come. Yes, many had deep flaws, but with a few exceptions, Prince never did sink as low as some of the critics have said. In particular, what was considered "dated" production will no longer matter as much. The truth is that Prince was measured according to an unbelievably high standard -- the one he himself set. His status as a so-called genius made him fair game, especially as his behavior brought him ridicule. Here was this person who clearly thought himself a genius and was engaging in what seemed to be the most narcissistic fashion -- you can bet that many took him to task critically. "You think you are a genius? Prove it" everyone seemed to say. With this So in the eyes of many it would either be a PR or SOTT for the 90's or be almost total crap Now, there's many things I don't like about the 90's, but it was nowhere as bad as a whole as some seems to think today. Give it a few more years and a couple of acclaimed albums, and you'll see. Prince is not the first person to suffer the Curse of the Fallen Genius -- some of his 90's work will be rehabilitated. People like polarized debates and opinions because they make it simpler to have a strong opinion -- both sides, "asskissers" and "naysayers" -- are guilty of the either/or mentality that make fair assessments so difficult. Some people like to go on about how every Prince record is either nearly all gems or all crap and that is such plastic, fisher toy thinking. I've always said [and will remain steadfast in this argument] that Prince will NEVER receive his just due until he's long dead and buried. The same happened with such greats including Miles Davis, who's latest material got dissed big time. It wasn't until years after he dies that people finally got it. I think the same is with Prince. Mozart, too! No one will ever get it [including us fams] until the man is gone...sad but true... let's see what u can do... | |
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Aerogram said: funkbabyandthebabysitters said: who cares though? i respect and like all the media atention and coverage but that doesnt mean the music is up to much.
I believe that some of the 90's records will enjoy better reputations in years to come. Yes, many had deep flaws, but with a few exceptions, Prince never did sink as low as some of the critics have said. In particular, what was considered "dated" production will no longer matter as much. The truth is that Prince was measured according to an unbelievably high standard -- the one he himself set. His status as a so-called genius made him fair game, especially as his behavior brought him ridicule. Here was this person who clearly thought himself a genius and was engaging in what seemed to be the most narcissistic fashion -- you can bet that many took him to task critically. "You think you are a genius? Prove it" everyone seemed to say. With this So in the eyes of many it would either be a PR or SOTT for the 90's or be almost total crap Now, there's many things I don't like about the 90's, but it was nowhere as bad as a whole as some seems to think today. Give it a few more years and a couple of acclaimed albums, and you'll see. Prince is not the first person to suffer the Curse of the Fallen Genius -- some of his 90's work will be rehabilitated. . I agree that there he did some great work in the 90s..especially around '93 and '94...he did some amazing live stuff around then too as well as wrote some great songs. After Emancipation though, he has been extremely dried up as far as great songwriting goes. He still is just about as great as ever when it comes to live performing. There is no shame in not being able to capture his past genius. Most geniuses do their best work when they are young. His brain just aged like everyone else's and that mad creative spark just burned out. Just think of the years of 1980-1988 and how much totally INCREDIBLE music he produced...not just for himself, but for the Time, Vanity 6, Sheila E, etc and all the superb unreleased songs from that era. He was just almost beyond human during that time. Now he is only human and there's no shame in that. . [This message was edited Wed Apr 7 15:44:55 2004 by RupertZ] | |
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RupertZ said: I agree that there he did some great work in the 90s..especially around '93 and '94...he did some amazing live stuff around then too as well as wrote some great songs. After Emancipation though, he has been extremely dried up as far as great songwriting goes. He still is just about as great as ever when it comes to live performing.
There is no shame in not being able to capture his past genius. Most geniuses do their best work when they are young. His brain just aged like everyone else's and that mad creative spark just burned out. Just think of the years of 1980-1988 and how much totally INCREDIBLE music he produced...not just for himself, but for the Time, Vanity 6, Sheila E, etc and all the superb unreleased songs from that era. He was just almost beyond human during that time. Now he is only human and there's no shame in that. I'd say after The Truth.   | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: told ya'll you'd like it.
 i remember postin about first hearin "musicology" out at paisley almost a year ago and tellin folks how it was, and some were worried...Damn sho did ! I forgot about that !  |
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I don't understand the argument and I refuse to respond to it but i feel compelled to mention "Naysayers to Yaysayers" is really funny. Unfortunately the author is dead serious and within the context of this spat or WAR depending on how gay you are my enjoyment of the phrase lost it's joy.
Besides this all is so subjective. Impossible to argue definitively. No footing at all. This hate thread sucks. Evil White Male has the creepy name at least and his thread kicks ass. Cast off these ridiculous rantings and see the above mentioned for some scoop. Jpav, i'll see you in fifth period dude. | |
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Novabreaker said: I said it first! Prince is bigger than Jesus!
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For Prince to still be able to play songs live that he recorded 15-20 years ago is something. I hope some of the new music has that, the songs are still pretty young, but you know sometimes that must go thru his mind.. is this song good enough to play every night for 25 years???
IMO, some of the negativity came from where his mind was at the times. When Prince was young he always wanted to be #1, wanted the hits etc and had the drive..during the early 90s during the Slave era he would complain about things like the industry and go on about his bad deal. Seems like he is trying again and has a different insight into the game. He was trying but when you have slave written on your face you change your name to  etc.. people have the perception that your washed up and bitter, esp when you have nothing on the charts, etc. I thought he made some mistakes, but he has made some great moves lately, and personally the new cd is pretty good. Good to see him trying and being not so cynical about the industry. The man can make more of a statement this way now instead of not trying, so its not really selling out, Prince deserves all they will give him.
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VDubblin said: I don't understand the argument and I refuse to respond to it but i feel compelled to mention "Naysayers to Yaysayers" is really funny. Unfortunately the author is dead serious and within the context of this spat or WAR depending on how gay you are my enjoyment of the phrase lost it's joy.
Besides this all is so subjective. Impossible to argue definitively. No footing at all. This hate thread sucks. Evil White Male has the creepy name at least and his thread kicks ass. Cast off these ridiculous rantings and see the above mentioned for some scoop. Jpav, i'll see you in fifth period dude. ??? Not sure where you're comin' from my brother, but hey, that's why I love this place! I STILL maintain, there are many sad haters in Poo-ville these days!  Sure Prince woke up and finally started playin' ball, but he got here largely on his own terms, which is the point.
As many have posted here, great reviews and sold out arenas DO NOT equal good music, however, if Musicology were gettin' trashed in media outlets, there'd be many a EWM's using them to back up why "It sucks!", and we all know it... So, here's to opinions, disagreements, and FAMily fights...To those wearin' rose-colored glasses and crap-colored ones; to haters, a-kissers, and one funky little man who makes us all stick around! Peace and chicken grease...See you after school! | |
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Prince won the war that brewed within his fans…the outside periphery ( critics, magazines) don’t mean shit because they are media and we all know the lack of substance that sometimes entails. However...with his performances, re-fucking-gardless of what material it is, has been seen as a return to form. Period. His grammy shit, his hall of fame shit, his recent club dates with some new ones thrown in have changed the Prince Zeitgeist. And his new stuff is a return to solid songwriting without the heels (blather, glitz, humping speakers, etc). And yes saying “won the war” is silly but it is a useful term to use for the sake of parsimony. And how does one know he “won”? Because of the respect and hushed uninhibited non subjective retarded negativity that has been tones done to just a hum/murmur. This new Prince Zeitgeist is rewarding for all in the long run. Even the ding dongs who don’t have the balls or werwithall to admit they enjoy something instead choosing to save face and act indignant and blatantly blasé’ blasé’…you know who you are. Love this era so far. Oh my, oh my. | |
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tricky99 said: I see u are jockying with EWM and romance1600 as best prince hater. I think u win. Your avater is as nasty and negative as u are, congratulations!
I ain't no fucking hater man, don't label me... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Aerogram said:[quote] namepeace said: 1. I haven't heard the LP yet. I am going to buy it in the stores so as to help the LP's official release.
So you don't really know if Prince is back by the strength of his latest album. By the way, we have CDs now, not LPs. Well, Chappelle, I have LPs, CDs, tapes, MP3's and 8-tracks too. And by the way, this "album" term you used was also a common reference to an LP. I bet Prince has a Musicology LP. So there! I have reserved judgment on whether Prince is back or the merits of the album, and if you read entire post in a careful manner, you will (or at least should) understand that. 2. To those who declare that Prince has "won" some kind of "war," he didn't do it on the strength of his new material. He did it using his signature hits, which to his credit, the mass audience seems never get tired of hearing. He also did it using arguably the hottest star of the last 2 years, as well as his own incredible showmanship. When he performs his new stuff, he doesn't get much response. Case in point: almost 10 years ago, on the AMAs, Dick Clark gave him a prime opportunity to push "The Gold Experience" material with a 3-4 song medley and the LP (his best in the last 16 years, IMHO, and one with significant radio potential) went nowhere commercially.
So, again, you don't know if the new Musicology songs are strong enough. By what I've read, they are well-received in concerts so far, and the public has not been exposed to them for 20 odd years. And you don't know how the public is perceiving the new songs other than what you read. My post isn't about what I "know" or "don't know" about the tour, the album or the resurgence overall. But I digress. A close reading of #2 discusses a trend that Prince's hits get better reception from mass audiences than his new music. If that trend is reversing, good for Prince. 3. The attention he is receiving now is more of a reflection on his past accomplishments rather than a celebration of his new work. The mass media is now realizing, "hey, we haven't reported on this guy for 10 years, and now that he's been elected to the RRHOF, and is an influence on new artists, maybe we should express some appreciation and see what he's up to."
That is inevitable and it would be true of most artists with his longevity.The fact he's released an album that some critics compare to his classics is a pretty good sign. And no, they will not immediately say "this is as good as Housequake"... they are not dumb enough to risk ridicule by making such a comparison so early. U have been a Prince fan long enough to know that, invariably, a review of any given Prince album since 1990 draws comparisons to PR, SOTT or 1999. Which is why most of the Prince's reviews have been mixed or negative for the last, say, 10 years or so. 4. Be wary, we've seen this kind of thing before. Every few years, Prince gets a lot of publicity for a short window of time for a new album, and the media says, "will this one be up to par with Purple Rain?" or something like that. When the answer is no, they drop him like a stone. It feels a little different this time, but be warned.
The difference is a top-grossing tour in America for the first time in ages, appearing on the Grammies and the RRHOF ceremony, plus an album that is backed by a video and that has been well-received so far. This configuration has not happened in many, many years, and it seems to be working perfectly. As I said, the synergy is different this time, and it seems like things are falling into place. But both concerts I attended on the Emancipation tour were packed to the gills as well. 5. ALL the critics -- and sometimes, orgers -- say the "new Prince album" is "his best in years." When it first comes out. Then a year or two later, they dis it and treat it as if it never existed (see Graffiti Bridge, Emancipation, The Gold Experience, The Love Symbol Album). Heck, NEWS was nominated for a Grammy and most reports I read on it were negative!
Again, that is normal. Revisionism reigns when something doesn't become a huge success. It took years for Parade to be appreciated, and even SOTT wasn't that well received at first. The reverse can happen. Fickle pop culture I chalk it to. Sometimes even commercial success doesn't prevent the onset of revisionism. Emancipation moved 2 million units (or 600,000+ triple-albums sold) and it's been forgotten. had a top ten hit in "7" and a top-40 hit in "Sexy MF" and it might as well have not existed either. You are right on the fickle nature of pop culture, but the issue for the purposes of this post is whether Prince can maintain his momentum so as to "prevail" over his "haters". The author of this thread deemed his "triumph" inevitable. I simply am pointing out that history indicates that the key component to a full-fledged comeback is having a commercially successful album. And that's not a sure thing. No more, no less.
6. Everyone on the org loves Prince, so the idea of "haters" on this site (at least when it comes to Prince) is absurd. What I have "hated" about him over the last few years is his lack of consistent musical output and the increasing difficulty in accessing his new work. His "emancipation" from the industry has been at the expense of even a lot of his most loyal fans. That's what I "hate" about Prince.
No, not everyone on the Org "loves" Prince as he is today. This thread is a case in point. Each of us probably loves one version of Prince, one or two eras, etc. However, when you keep saying everything he does is "shit" for ten years, I suggest a different approach is needed : perhaps hanging out at a Prince site daily is a bit too much after so many years of "crap". Maybe a few folk on this site have posted nothing but negative reviews, but he had more artistic and commercial success in the 90's than most artists can dream of, almost in spite of himself. I will always love Prince for the music he has given me and the inspiration he's been for me. Although I haven't dug a lot of his music, it pleases me greatly that he seems at peace with himself. I think you'll find that the majority of orgers feel the same way. By the way, there are a lot of people on the org that think that orgers who say anything negative about Prince are "crap" as well. 7. As a music fan, there is nothing I want more than for the mass audience to reward and recognize Prince for his many accomplishments. I may dig this album, I may not, but I do hope it -- and Prince -- do well in 2004.
Then bravo. I love critical folks. I'm no super-champion of Musicology, but I just think some people revel in disliking him on a daily basis and it's just a tad neurotic for my taste if it's a daily thing year after year. I don't see the "daily haters" as much as you might, because you've been here longer. Some people are born contrarians. But even the "haters" are here because, as you said, they connected to some part of Prince at some time and that connection is still powerful. [This message was edited Wed Apr 7 21:02:31 2004 by namepeace] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: 1. I haven't heard the LP yet. I am going to buy it in the stores so as to help the LP's official release.
2. To those who declare that Prince has "won" some kind of "war," he didn't do it on the strength of his new material. He did it using his signature hits, which to his credit, the mass audience seems never get tired of hearing. He also did it using arguably the hottest star of the last 2 years, as well as his own incredible showmanship. When he performs his new stuff, he doesn't get much response. Case in point: almost 10 years ago, on the AMAs, Dick Clark gave him a prime opportunity to push "The Gold Experience" material with a 3-4 song medley and the LP (his best in the last 16 years, IMHO, and one with significant radio potential) went nowhere commercially. 3. The attention he is receiving now is more of a reflection on his past accomplishments rather than a celebration of his new work. The mass media is now realizing, "hey, we haven't reported on this guy for 10 years, and now that he's been elected to the RRHOF, and is an influence on new artists, maybe we should express some appreciation and see what he's up to." 4. Be wary, we've seen this kind of thing before. Every few years, Prince gets a lot of publicity for a short window of time for a new album, and the media says, "will this one be up to par with Purple Rain?" or something like that. When the answer is no, they drop him like a stone. It feels a little different this time, but be warned. 5. ALL the critics -- and sometimes, orgers -- say the "new Prince album" is "his best in years." When it first comes out. Then a year or two later, they dis it and treat it as if it never existed (see Graffiti Bridge, Emancipation, The Gold Experience, The Love Symbol Album). Heck, NEWS was nominated for a Grammy and most reports I read on it were negative! 6. Everyone on the org loves Prince, so the idea of "haters" on this site (at least when it comes to Prince) is absurd. What I have "hated" about him over the last few years is his lack of consistent musical output and the increasing difficulty in accessing his new work. His "emancipation" from the industry has been at the expense of even a lot of his most loyal fans. That's what I "hate" about Prince. 7. As a music fan, there is nothing I want more than for the mass audience to reward and recognize Prince for his many accomplishments. I may dig this album, I may not, but I do hope it -- and Prince -- do well in 2004.  the post of the week | |
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I feel like knocking some heads together.
It's fairly standard to get a few inane comments on a thread but this thread must be a magnet for them. I don't think anyone who has posted on here has come out with any credit.
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fauxnewbie said: p.s DOWN WITH HATERS! YAAY FOR THE REAL FAMS. RAINBOW CHILDREN UNITE, YAAAAY!
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TheFrog said: fauxnewbie said: p.s DOWN WITH HATERS! YAAY FOR THE REAL FAMS. RAINBOW CHILDREN UNITE, YAAAAY!
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fauxnewbie said: TheFrog said: Hater. I'll squish u fucknut! Reported! For using the cuddly word "squish" in a hater way. | |
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TheFrog said: fauxnewbie said: I'll squish u fucknut! Reported! For using the cuddly word "squish" in a hater way. I'll report u fucknut! | |
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Namepeace said :
I have reserved judgment on whether Prince is back or the merits of the album,
I have heard it and those reviewers who did hear it seems to agree. Perhaps the author of this thread did make an informed assessment. No, I'm not going to say "his best since..." -- I know too much about Prince music to hasten sujch comparisons so early. And you don't know how the public is perceiving the new songs other than what you read. My post isn't about what I "know" or "don't know" about the tour, the album or the resurgence overall.
But I digress. A close reading of #2 discusses a trend that Prince's hits get better reception from mass audiences than his new music. If that trend is reversing, good for Prince. That's too unrealistic an expectation at this point. Who out there is required to top such a classic catalog? "Start me up" joined the Rolling Stones' songbook, but no one expects it to be as loved and cherished as all the classic Stones songs. If Prince is expected to somehow eclipse the songs he wrote two decades ago to be "back", then it will never happen in the eyes of some. And I'm not only going by what I read -- I've seen Prince performed non-80's material, I've seen him on Leno and in concert. I've yet to see the Musicology tour, and he can make this material compelling on stage even when it competes with the classics. As I said, the synergy is different this time, and it seems like things are falling into place. But both concerts I attended on the Emancipation tour were packed to the gills as well.
Have you seen the Musicology tour grosses? This is in a different category altogether. Sometimes even commercial success doesn't prevent the onset of revisionism. Emancipation moved 2 million units (or 600,000+ triple-albums sold) and it's been forgotten. had a top ten hit in "7" and a top-40 hit in "Sexy MF" and it might as well have not existed either. You are right on the fickle nature of pop culture, but the issue for the purposes of this post is whether Prince can maintain his momentum so as to "prevail" over his "haters". The author of this thread deemed his "triumph" inevitable. I simply am pointing out that history indicates that the key component to a full-fledged comeback is having a commercially successful album. And that's not a sure thing. No more, no less.
We all know what happened to Emancipation -- you can't say it was a true mainstream success because less than one million people bought it worldwide, the company went bellyup, etc. As for the Symbol album, Sexy MF was out months before the record and 7 was a late surprise hit in its promotion that did nothing for the album, or very little. With Musicology, things are textbook : video, single, viable record company, backing tour, critical acclaim, good press. The stars are aligned for this one, and having heard the album, I believe Prince is definitely "back" in a mainstream way. The next three weeks will make it clear one way or another. As for the rest, haters and "asskissers" get on my nerves equally because it's mostly all or nothing for them. Even as I discuss Prince's return to the mainstream, it's not really the criteria on me. As many more level-headed fans have said, there are songs that match some of the underrated 90's songs. The difference is image and PR (both Public Relations and Purple Rain - the anniversary). I've explained that Prince has been under the Curse of the Fallen Genius up there and he can carry a lot of the blame for that, but at the end of the day, the critical assessment is largerly superficial -- yes, even the present reviews of Musicology show that. I'm not the hugest champion of Musicology. I like some of it a lot, but that's not really the point. Is Prince "back"? Definitely. | |
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Aerogram said: Cloudbuster said: His status in the industry has been assured for years. He's already regarded as a legend by most music critics. It's just a simple case of a lot of his work in the last decade failing to match up to his previous successes. However, that is somewhat inevitable. Even the greats like Stevie Wonder & David Bowie have hit that wall.
That is only somewhat true and naysayers have been saying for years that he had become some kind of a joke, so.... Maybe you don't think like that, and that's to your credit, but I've been talking to many so-called "haters" for years now and I have a good idea of the general consensus. In that context, Prince has at least disproved part of that thinking. No way do I think that Prince is a joke. In my opinion he's one of the most gifted music artists to have ever walked the earth. And even though I don't think his work post Lovesexy has been very consistant in quality there's still a lot of it that I do like. Emancipation & The Truth are two of my very favourite albums of his. Diamonds And Pearls & The Gold Experience are pretty solid sets as well. Naturally, I want to see him restored to his rightful place as one of the leading lights in the industry but having heard Musicology (the song) I'm just wondering if he's made the right choice using it as a lead off single. It's not a bad song it's just simply not one of his best. The Rolling Stones still have very successful tours but generally that doesn't spill over into huge album sales and there's a chance that Prince might suffer the same fate. Once again, I hope that's not the case but it's possible that this so called commercial comeback may not turn out to be what everyone is wanting it to be. Fingers crossed, though. | |
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Cloudbuster said: No way do I think that Prince is a joke. In my opinion he's one of the most gifted music artists to have ever walked the earth. And even though I don't think his work post Lovesexy has been very consistant in quality there's still a lot of it that I do like. Emancipation & The Truth are two of my very favourite albums of his. Diamonds And Pearls & The Gold Experience are pretty solid sets as well. Naturally, I want to see him restored to his rightful place as one of the leading lights in the industry but having heard Musicology (the song) I'm just wondering if he's made the right choice using it as a lead off single. It's not a bad song it's just simply not one of his best. The Rolling Stones still have very successful tours but generally that doesn't spill over into huge album sales and there's a chance that Prince might suffer the same fate. Once again, I hope that's not the case but it's possible that this so called commercial comeback may not turn out to be what everyone is wanting it to be. Fingers crossed, though.
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Cloudbuster said: Aerogram said: That is only somewhat true and naysayers have been saying for years that he had become some kind of a joke, so.... Maybe you don't think like that, and that's to your credit, but I've been talking to many so-called "haters" for years now and I have a good idea of the general consensus. In that context, Prince has at least disproved part of that thinking. No way do I think that Prince is a joke. In my opinion he's one of the most gifted music artists to have ever walked the earth. And even though I don't think his work post Lovesexy has been very consistant in quality there's still a lot of it that I do like. Emancipation & The Truth are two of my very favourite albums of his. Diamonds And Pearls & The Gold Experience are pretty solid sets as well. Naturally, I want to see him restored to his rightful place as one of the leading lights in the industry but having heard Musicology (the song) I'm just wondering if he's made the right choice using it as a lead off single. It's not a bad song it's just simply not one of his best. The Rolling Stones still have very successful tours but generally that doesn't spill over into huge album sales and there's a chance that Prince might suffer the same fate. Once again, I hope that's not the case but it's possible that this so called commercial comeback may not turn out to be what everyone is wanting it to be. Fingers crossed, though. You're not a hater, so you don't count.
It's true what you say about the Stones, but I think Prince is different. Stones tours are a staple of the music scene -- the kind of tour Prince is doing is not, for him. It's not even like him to have a video out. There's just too many good things happening to him this year. One thing is certain : if he can't do it in the present context, then he won't ever "come back". Though in my mind, he has already. Chart success will just be gravy. | |
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Okay, we'll leave it there. Nice talking with you. | |
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