I'm not pulling anything. It just seems to me that the naysayer crowd is as tiring a congregation of super-fam with their outlandish certainties and a definite lack of intellectual honesty. Prince is "back", commercially and critically. Whether you like Musicology or not is irrelevant. Naysaying was always mostly about Prince being taken "seriously" and having a degree of respect in the industry. This year, he has both -- it's difficult to deny. The ultimate confirmation would come with a decently charting album, though the tour's success and the critical acclaim should already be enough, especially when you factor his decision to distribute the cd at concerts.

I don't even "love" Musicology the album -- I mostly enjoy it. This is more a question of status in the industry, and I think the answer is already clear.

i can't imagine evil white male digging raspberry beret, or let's go crazy. he is a bad boy, i only imagien him digging korn and slipknot. Do you really like Prince old material? Prince is kinda gay for you macho man, all those flamboyant's sounds and high voice. tell me some prince songs that you like?

I don't know why he suddenly gave up the hermit act and went the way that MOST artists go when rolling out a new record, but it's definitely putting him up there.

Grammys/RRHOF performances - Legendary

Musicology album - getting kudos from all over the world

Musicology Tour - Ditto

Musicology Theater Simulcast - Savy

Media - Eatin' Him Up! (Newsweek, Time, Rolling Stone, etc.

Prince fans - Get very solid album

Then he's the first corpse to fill arenas since...?

Prince is bigger than Jesus!

Novabreaker said:

In heels, maybe.

jpav said:

Hardly... Sly Stone coming out and joining Prince on an all time funk battle would have been legendary... A shitty Grammy performance with record industry's #1 Ho/Product is rather pathetic... And being inducted by the flavors of the week is pretty pathetic...


I don't understand why people take "the Media" all that serious...


Just your opinion, not even close to a fact...

Neversin.

1. I haven't heard the LP yet. I am going to buy it in the stores so as to help the LP's official release.

2. To those who declare that Prince has "won" some kind of "war," he didn't do it on the strength of his new material. He did it using his signature hits, which to his credit, the mass audience seems never get tired of hearing. He also did it using arguably the hottest star of the last 2 years, as well as his own incredible showmanship. When he performs his new stuff, he doesn't get much response. Case in point: almost 10 years ago, on the AMAs, Dick Clark gave him a prime opportunity to push "The Gold Experience" material with a 3-4 song medley and the LP (his best in the last 16 years, IMHO, and one with significant radio potential) went nowhere commercially.

3. The attention he is receiving now is more of a reflection on his past accomplishments rather than a celebration of his new work. The mass media is now realizing, "hey, we haven't reported on this guy for 10 years, and now that he's been elected to the RRHOF, and is an influence on new artists, maybe we should express some appreciation and see what he's up to."

4. Be wary, we've seen this kind of thing before. Every few years, Prince gets a lot of publicity for a short window of time for a new album, and the media says, "will this one be up to par with Purple Rain?" or something like that. When the answer is no, they drop him like a stone. It feels a little different this time, but be warned.

5. ALL the critics -- and sometimes, orgers -- say the "new Prince album" is "his best in years." When it first comes out. Then a year or two later, they dis it and treat it as if it never existed (see Graffiti Bridge, Emancipation, The Gold Experience, The Love Symbol Album). Heck, NEWS was nominated for a Grammy and most reports I read on it were negative!

6. Everyone on the org loves Prince, so the idea of "haters" on this site (at least when it comes to Prince) is absurd. What I have "hated" about him over the last few years is his lack of consistent musical output and the increasing difficulty in accessing his new work. His "emancipation" from the industry has been at the expense of even a lot of his most loyal fans. That's what I "hate" about Prince.

7. As a music fan, there is nothing I want more than for the mass audience to reward and recognize Prince for his many accomplishments. I may dig this album, I may not, but I do hope it -- and Prince -- do well in 2004.

shygirl said:

Well, we all know that Prince is a lot less 'black' than he wants to be.

1. I haven't heard the LP yet. I am going to buy it in the stores so as to help the LP's official release.

2. To those who declare that Prince has "won" some kind of "war," he didn't do it on the strength of his new material. He did it using his signature hits, which to his credit, the mass audience seems never get tired of hearing. He also did it using arguably the hottest star of the last 2 years, as well as his own incredible showmanship. When he performs his new stuff, he doesn't get much response. Case in point: almost 10 years ago, on the AMAs, Dick Clark gave him a prime opportunity to push "The Gold Experience" material with a 3-4 song medley and the LP (his best in the last 16 years, IMHO, and one with significant radio potential) went nowhere commercially.

3. The attention he is receiving now is more of a reflection on his past accomplishments rather than a celebration of his new work. The mass media is now realizing, "hey, we haven't reported on this guy for 10 years, and now that he's been elected to the RRHOF, and is an influence on new artists, maybe we should express some appreciation and see what he's up to."

4. Be wary, we've seen this kind of thing before. Every few years, Prince gets a lot of publicity for a short window of time for a new album, and the media says, "will this one be up to par with Purple Rain?" or something like that. When the answer is no, they drop him like a stone. It feels a little different this time, but be warned.

5. ALL the critics -- and sometimes, orgers -- say the "new Prince album" is "his best in years." When it first comes out. Then a year or two later, they dis it and treat it as if it never existed (see Graffiti Bridge, Emancipation, The Gold Experience, The Love Symbol Album). Heck, NEWS was nominated for a Grammy and most reports I read on it were negative!

6. Everyone on the org loves Prince, so the idea of "haters" on this site (at least when it comes to Prince) is absurd. What I have "hated" about him over the last few years is his lack of consistent musical output and the increasing difficulty in accessing his new work. His "emancipation" from the industry has been at the expense of even a lot of his most loyal fans. That's what I "hate" about Prince.

7. As a music fan, there is nothing I want more than for the mass audience to reward and recognize Prince for his many accomplishments. I may dig this album, I may not, but I do hope it -- and Prince -- do well in 2004.

Aerogram said:

His status in the industry has been assured for years. He's already regarded as a legend by most music critics. It's just a simple case of a lot of his work in the last decade failing to match up to his previous successes. However, that is somewhat inevitable. Even the greats like Stevie Wonder & David Bowie have hit that wall.

And it's time for some to stop lying claiming they said the lead-off single would flop when they clearly said the album would flop without even hearing it: "you don't have to hear it to know how it'll turn out," then coming back to post threads about how good it is...


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1. I haven't heard the LP yet. I am going to buy it in the stores so as to help the LP's official release.

2. To those who declare that Prince has "won" some kind of "war," he didn't do it on the strength of his new material. He did it using his signature hits, which to his credit, the mass audience seems never get tired of hearing. He also did it using arguably the hottest star of the last 2 years, as well as his own incredible showmanship. When he performs his new stuff, he doesn't get much response. Case in point: almost 10 years ago, on the AMAs, Dick Clark gave him a prime opportunity to push "The Gold Experience" material with a 3-4 song medley and the LP (his best in the last 16 years, IMHO, and one with significant radio potential) went nowhere commercially.

3. The attention he is receiving now is more of a reflection on his past accomplishments rather than a celebration of his new work. The mass media is now realizing, "hey, we haven't reported on this guy for 10 years, and now that he's been elected to the RRHOF, and is an influence on new artists, maybe we should express some appreciation and see what he's up to."

4. Be wary, we've seen this kind of thing before. Every few years, Prince gets a lot of publicity for a short window of time for a new album, and the media says, "will this one be up to par with Purple Rain?" or something like that. When the answer is no, they drop him like a stone. It feels a little different this time, but be warned.

5. ALL the critics -- and sometimes, orgers -- say the "new Prince album" is "his best in years." When it first comes out. Then a year or two later, they dis it and treat it as if it never existed (see Graffiti Bridge, Emancipation, The Gold Experience, The Love Symbol Album). Heck, NEWS was nominated for a Grammy and most reports I read on it were negative!

6. Everyone on the org loves Prince, so the idea of "haters" on this site (at least when it comes to Prince) is absurd. What I have "hated" about him over the last few years is his lack of consistent musical output and the increasing difficulty in accessing his new work. His "emancipation" from the industry has been at the expense of even a lot of his most loyal fans. That's what I "hate" about Prince.

7. As a music fan, there is nothing I want more than for the mass audience to reward and recognize Prince for his many accomplishments. I may dig this album, I may not, but I do hope it -- and Prince -- do well in 2004.

I see u are jockying with EWM and romance1600 as best prince hater.

1. I haven't heard the LP yet. I am going to buy it in the stores so as to help the LP's official release.

So you don't really know if Prince is back by the strength of his latest album. By the way, we have CDs now, not LPs.


2. To those who declare that Prince has "won" some kind of "war," he didn't do it on the strength of his new material. He did it using his signature hits, which to his credit, the mass audience seems never get tired of hearing. He also did it using arguably the hottest star of the last 2 years, as well as his own incredible showmanship. When he performs his new stuff, he doesn't get much response. Case in point: almost 10 years ago, on the AMAs, Dick Clark gave him a prime opportunity to push "The Gold Experience" material with a 3-4 song medley and the LP (his best in the last 16 years, IMHO, and one with significant radio potential) went nowhere commercially.

So, again, you don't know if the new Musicology songs are strong enough. By what I've read, they are well-received in concerts so far, and the public has not been exposed to them for 20 odd years.

3. The attention he is receiving now is more of a reflection on his past accomplishments rather than a celebration of his new work. The mass media is now realizing, "hey, we haven't reported on this guy for 10 years, and now that he's been elected to the RRHOF, and is an influence on new artists, maybe we should express some appreciation and see what he's up to."

That is inevitable and it would be true of most artists with his longevity.The fact he's released an album that some critics compare to his classics is a pretty good sign. And no, they will not immediately say "this is as good as Housequake"... they are not dumb enough to risk ridicule by making such a comparison so early.

4. Be wary, we've seen this kind of thing before. Every few years, Prince gets a lot of publicity for a short window of time for a new album, and the media says, "will this one be up to par with Purple Rain?" or something like that. When the answer is no, they drop him like a stone. It feels a little different this time, but be warned.

The difference is a top-grossing tour in America for the first time in ages, appearing on the Grammies and the RRHOF ceremony, plus an album that is backed by a video and that has been well-received so far. This configuration has not happened in many, many years, and it seems to be working perfectly.

5. ALL the critics -- and sometimes, orgers -- say the "new Prince album" is "his best in years." When it first comes out. Then a year or two later, they dis it and treat it as if it never existed (see Graffiti Bridge, Emancipation, The Gold Experience, The Love Symbol Album). Heck, NEWS was nominated for a Grammy and most reports I read on it were negative!

Again, that is normal. Revisionism reigns when something doesn't become a huge success. It took years for Parade to be appreciated, and even SOTT wasn't that well received at first. The reverse can happen. Fickle pop culture I chalk it to.

6. Everyone on the org loves Prince, so the idea of "haters" on this site (at least when it comes to Prince) is absurd. What I have "hated" about him over the last few years is his lack of consistent musical output and the increasing difficulty in accessing his new work. His "emancipation" from the industry has been at the expense of even a lot of his most loyal fans. That's what I "hate" about Prince.

No, not everyone on the Org "loves" Prince as he is today. This thread is a case in point. Each of us probably loves one version of Prince, one or two eras, etc. However, when you keep saying everything he does is "shit" for ten years, I suggest a different approach is needed : perhaps hanging out at a Prince site daily is a bit too much after so many years of "crap".


7. As a music fan, there is nothing I want more than for the mass audience to reward and recognize Prince for his many accomplishments. I may dig this album, I may not, but I do hope it -- and Prince -- do well in 2004.

Then bravo. I love critical folks. I'm no super-champion of Musicology, but I just think some people revel in disliking him on a daily basis and it's just a tad neurotic for my taste if it's a daily thing year after year.

We hate love, we love hate.

We hate love, we love hate.

And you love to be hated. You're the Erich Von Stroheim of the Org. Congrats!

Again, that is normal. Revisionism reigns when something doesn't become a huge success. It took years for Parade to be appreciated, and even SOTT wasn't that well received at first. The reverse can happen. Fickle pop culture I chalk it to.

So wait, what's the point of this conversation again?

shygirl said:

What kinda fucked up bullshit comment is that?!!

Prince won the war big time. And only someone as unique and talented as Prince could do it.
Like I said before, the haters wanted to see Prince shrivel up and die or become a total wack job. Since neither happened, they hate him even more. I don't mean to bring race into it, but the fact that a Black man has totally beat the system makes them evil white males even more hateful.

Aerogram said:

What you talkin' bout? SOTT was hailed as a classic as soon as it was released. At least every Prince fan I knew really loved it from the start (including me).

I'm not sure about Parade, because I still don't like that album. But SOTT was THE BOMB on day 1 and it is still THE BOMB.

But when any new Prince albums is released, a bunch of fans really love it and say how great it is and then a couple of years later, they realize that it was nothing special. This has occured for ever weak Prince album except maybe for NEWS, which most people didn't like much from the start. Many people just have little perpspective and sense of history.