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Reply #150 posted 04/09/04 9:36am

Cloudbuster

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Christopher said:

Cloudbuster said:



highfive


Mj wears his face well....can i get a high five too?
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No. smile
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Reply #151 posted 04/09/04 9:40am

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sextonseven said:

riverdean7 said:

sextonseven those figures u quoted are for sales in the usa only worldwide sales of thriller are over 50 million worldwide hence my original statement was correct why dont u do some research next time



I did my research. You only said biggest selling album of all time. You didn't specify U.S. vs world. The biggest U.S. catalog album each year sells less than one million copies and according to Billboard, Thriller even after the special edition rerelease, went nowhere near #1. His U.S. sales will never pass the Eagles GH album, (which was last certified in 2002) because his image has been tarnished too much by all the child molestation allegations.



I think you proved your point sextonseven by the fact that the top seller dont mean that much in the same way that top 100 lists etc dont, just because the Eagles is top dont mean its the best I certainly would not buy it,but at the same time just because Thriller was there dont mean its the best, most of the time top sellers have had some seriously good marketing.
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Reply #152 posted 04/09/04 11:40am

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zootjames said:[quote]

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I'm partial to Off The Wall myself. Although I still dig the hell out of "Human Nature" and "Billie Jean."


It's funny how most people here prefer Off the Wall to Thriller. The former was clearly a warmup to the latter, in my opinion. There are a couple of songs on Off the Wall that it took me quite a while to warm up to, like "Burn This Disco Out" and "It's the Falling In Love." There weren't ANY songs on Thriller like that; they were all slammin' from the jump!

Do people have more of a problem with Thriller because it was more polished? That sounds strange to me as I write it though, because Off the Wall was extremely polished too, for its time (1979).

This has the potential of becoming a very enlightening thread.

Zoot

For me personally, I burned out on Thriller not long after it was first released prior to all the videos and brouhaha that came with it. I remember listening to it in my older brother's car for the first time, and subsequently not long after that it stopped holding my attention. Musically it's not something that sticks to my ribs like Off The Wall does.

And I can't speak for everybody, but if you look at most artists' biggest sellers a lot of their hardcore fans have a tendency to believe that it's rarely their best album.

Most Springsteen fans don't think Born In The USA was his best album.

Most Santana fans don't think Supernatural was Santana's best album.

Many Led Zeppelin fans don't think Zoso or IV is their best.

Most Eagles fans don't think their Greatest Hits or even the Hotel California album is their best, etc.

But in some cases I believe that it has to do with the fact that a large portion of the songs within some albums have just oversaturated radio airwaves for decades. Subconsciously, familiarity definitely breeds contempt for a lot of people and they forget how unique some albums are because of that. For me, that's never been a problem, for example; I still think Fleetwood Mac's best album is Rumours.


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This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #153 posted 04/09/04 3:46pm

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the reasons I don't like thriller as much as off the wall are pretty simple. Michael had not yet really distanced himself from his great R&B roots on off the wall, he had not yet affected his naturally high voice to effeminate proportions to emasculate his blackness. The singing is natural, the instruments are real, I never liked synths, the songs are fantastic, and Michael sounds like he's having a lot of fun and freedom, much like Elvis' sun recordings when he was about the same age. The self-discovery is there. Thriller was a great album too, but I think the real michael is on Off The Wall. Bad was a great album, Dangerous had some filler but I actually think some of his new material on History is amongst his very best. The anger or defensiveness over the child molestation lit a fire under the boys ass and even though it didn't make much of a splash, the songs here are fantastic.
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Reply #154 posted 04/09/04 6:54pm

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sextonseven said:

riverdean7 said:

sextonseven those figures u quoted are for sales in the usa only worldwide sales of thriller are over 50 million worldwide hence my original statement was correct why dont u do some research next time



I did my research. You only said biggest selling album of all time. You didn't specify U.S. vs world. The biggest U.S. catalog album each year sells less than one million copies and according to Billboard, Thriller even after the special edition rerelease, went nowhere near #1. His U.S. sales will never pass the Eagles GH album, (which was last certified in 2002) because his image has been tarnished too much by all the child molestation allegations.


Well when Sony re-certify his albums (who knows when that will be. The mo-fo's just don't want to have to pay him royalties) you will be proven wrong biggrin
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Reply #155 posted 04/10/04 2:12am

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WildStyle said:[quote]

sextonseven said:




I did my research. You only said biggest selling album of all time. You didn't specify U.S. vs world. The biggest U.S. catalog album each year sells less than one million copies and according to Billboard, Thriller even after the special edition rerelease, went nowhere near #1. His U.S. sales will never pass the Eagles GH album, (which was last certified in 2002) because his image has been tarnished too much by all the child molestation allegations.


Well when Sony re-certify his albums (who knows when that will be. The mo-fo's just don't want to have to pay him royalties) you will be proven wrong biggrin[/quote

All sextonseven was saying was that other albums were close to it in sales. Its getting a bit imature.
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Reply #156 posted 04/10/04 2:41am

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well the fact that a greatest hits album is the U.S biggest seller, is a load of pox, In my opinion only original albums should be recoginized not poxy compilations, by the way Thriller is a great album, if u havent got the special edition version, GET IT, makes u remenber Jacko,as a artist not the travelling freak show he is 2 day
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Reply #157 posted 04/10/04 3:12am

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berko said:

well the fact that a greatest hits album is the U.S biggest seller, is a load of pox, In my opinion only original albums should be recoginized not poxy compilations, by the way Thriller is a great album, if u havent got the special edition version, GET IT, makes u remenber Jacko,as a artist not the travelling freak show he is 2 day



I always think he looked his best in this period and its a shame he went and fucked himself up,eveyones entitiled to a face lift nose job etc but after Thriller period he over did it.I also like his dress and hair best around that period aswell. neutral
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Reply #158 posted 04/10/04 5:45am

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richierich said:

berko said:

well the fact that a greatest hits album is the U.S biggest seller, is a load of pox, In my opinion only original albums should be recoginized not poxy compilations, by the way Thriller is a great album, if u havent got the special edition version, GET IT, makes u remenber Jacko,as a artist not the travelling freak show he is 2 day



I always think he looked his best in this period and its a shame he went and fucked himself up,eveyones entitiled to a face lift nose job etc but after Thriller period he over did it.I also like his dress and hair best around that period aswell. neutral


He did look good in the Thriller era. Especially in the Thriller video (except for when he was a zombie and ish). But I kind of like his Bad era looks better. More edgy and stylish IMO. He also looked good in 1995. But to me, there was nothing wrong with how he looked in 1979 before the first nose job.
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Reply #159 posted 04/10/04 6:31am

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WildStyle said:

richierich said:




I always think he looked his best in this period and its a shame he went and fucked himself up,eveyones entitiled to a face lift nose job etc but after Thriller period he over did it.I also like his dress and hair best around that period aswell. neutral


He did look good in the Thriller era. Especially in the Thriller video (except for when he was a zombie and ish). But I kind of like his Bad era looks better. More edgy and stylish IMO. He also looked good in 1995. But to me, there was nothing wrong with how he looked in 1979 before the first nose job.



Ye he looked alright in Bad album Moonwalker Vid etc but he was starting to look a little too feminine and far removed from his original look IMO. I always thought Thriller was a nice mix,though as you say there was nothing wrong with how he looked previously and its a shame perhaps that his insucurities took over him. neutral
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Reply #160 posted 04/11/04 3:52am

riverdean7

sextonseven who gives a crap about the usa thriller is the biggest worldwide thats what counts so eat it i know this is hard for a prince devotee to handle but hey get over it
and i agree with berko that compilation albums or greatest hits shouldnt count
so thriller is also the highest sales for an original album in the usa
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Reply #161 posted 04/11/04 4:36am

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riverdean7 said:

sextonseven who gives a crap about the usa thriller is the biggest worldwide thats what counts so eat it i know this is hard for a prince devotee to handle but hey get over it
and i agree with berko that compilation albums or greatest hits shouldnt count
so thriller is also the highest sales for an original album in the usa



Why do sales figures count,I dont think its really got much to do with being a Prince devotee, Robbie Williams sells more records than most in the UK as does Daniel Beddingfield and Dido and there all wank in my opinion but just because they sell more than Primal Scream or Beck Hansen for example does that mean they are better. I think you are given the wrong forum this is were you would be more suited. http://www.dogbomb.co.uk/...genumber=1
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Reply #162 posted 04/11/04 5:10am

riverdean7

richierich said:

riverdean7 said:

sextonseven who gives a crap about the usa thriller is the biggest worldwide thats what counts so eat it i know this is hard for a prince devotee to handle but hey get over it
and i agree with berko that compilation albums or greatest hits shouldnt count
so thriller is also the highest sales for an original album in the usa



Why do sales figures count,I dont think its really got much to do with being a Prince devotee, Robbie Williams sells more records than most in the UK as does Daniel Beddingfield and Dido and there all wank in my opinion but just because they sell more than Primal Scream or Beck Hansen for example does that mean they are better. I think you are given the wrong forum this is were you would be more suited. http://www.dogbomb.co.uk/...genumber=1


rich i could give a crap what u say i wasnt addressing u in the first place why dont u go to a more suitable forum like this one www.gayhomo.forum/board
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Reply #163 posted 04/11/04 5:20am

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riverdean7 said:

richierich said:




Why do sales figures count,I dont think its really got much to do with being a Prince devotee, Robbie Williams sells more records than most in the UK as does Daniel Beddingfield and Dido and there all wank in my opinion but just because they sell more than Primal Scream or Beck Hansen for example does that mean they are better. I think you are given the wrong forum this is were you would be more suited. http://www.dogbomb.co.uk/...genumber=1


rich i could give a crap what u say i wasnt addressing u in the first place why dont u go to a more suitable forum like this one www.gayhomo.forum/board


Hey buddy it wasnt meant to upset you,I am neither gay nor am I homophobic which you seem to be,I just thought an dedicated MJ fan like yourself may help inh this forum as there are some real unkind things said about Jacko,I actually defend MJ on there as you will see if you look at Livinastro's posts.
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