...positive stuff about MJ...

Give credit were credit is due.

agentmonday said:

Cloudbuster said:

Knowone is is saying negative things really MJ has done some fantastic things for music culture,but he aint no Prince ,he aint as good a dancer ,writer,guitar player,keys player or drum player ..... aah wots the point.

richierich said:

I wasn't suggesting that you were being negative. It's just that in this forum very few good things are said about MJ. I was just giving props to someone who recognises a genuine talent when they see one. Just because Michael doesn't get up on a stage and let rip with a guitar doesn't mean that he's any less talented than Prince. It's simply that they have talent in different areas. I don't know how anyone could really say that P is the better dancer of the two or the better singer. But when it comes to musicianship then clearly Prince is ahead.

Cool I will say the one area I do actually think Prince is far better and thats dancing I really dont rate MJ as a dancer anymore ,though I watched him ona T4 live special earlier in the year and he was much better than he is in his videos, I dont even think of him in the same catagory a Prince when it comes to dancing. As for singing MJ edges it from a more stereotypical good singing voice point of view.

richierich said:

Nah! Can't agree with you on the dancing. Having watched Michael evolve and master his dance then I have to say he's leagues ahead of Prince in that area. There are certain folk who say that Michael does the same moves over and over but they simply ain't watching properly. Sure, he does variations of certain moves but then what dancer doesn't?

As for singing, I dunno what a "stereotypical good singing voice" really means. He's just a better singer.

Still, no problems with agreeing to disagree.

Cloudbuster said:

.... I dont even think of him in the same catagory a Prince when it comes to dancing. As for singing MJ edges it from a more stereotypical good singing voice point of view.

richierich said:

What the fuck??? Even the biggest critic, but some1 who knows what the hell they're talking about gives props when they are due.....and for the dancing alone MJ derserves them.

agentmonday said:

I aint saying MJ aint a good dancer its just his dancing has lost its appeal for me,bearing in mind I used to watch his vids listen to his records constantly when i was a kid.Now as I've grown and seen many musicians and artists MJ dosent quite do it for me anymore I liked him untill I was about 10 then I moved on.
Now I also liked Prince when I was a kid but I only thought that he was an MJ copy(when I was very young) but as the years rolled by I realised he's got amazing talent and that aint going to change, nor is my opinion of Prince being what I expect of the musicians I'm into and MJ not.

PBS said:

sorry but other than Billie Jean and the Thriller video and the alubm sales figure - what significance does it have today?
also I thought it was released in 1983

fuck Thriller

sermwanderer said:

I'd still prefer MJ. Purely from a compositional stance I think he has a slight edge and also I've always found MJ's work to be more infectious than Prince's. I actually like MJ's music more today than I ever have done. As far as I'm concerned he's one of the few true genius's in the business. Prince is too, it's just simply that his genius is more notably erratic because of the amount of work that he puts out (MJ's would be too if he released more) and he clearly doesn't have the magic touch as often as he used to. I know I'm just asking for trouble here, what with being surrounded by a ton of people who obviously rate Prince much higher than Michael but I ain't gonna back down and give false statements about which artist I prefer just to keep some fams happy.

And of course I'd like a bit more Kate Bush. But I'd rather wait 11 years and get a truly solid album (along with Bjork she's the only artist in my music collection who has made more than three albums of which I can honestly say I like every record that they've done) than get an album a year with only two or three genuinely good songs on it.

Now I know you aint calling me a fam!

Seriously though, I respect your opinion, and I'm with you on the dancing. I can remember being at school and the whole playground came in the next day talking about MJ's dancing in Smooth Criminal, and I mean everyone. Prince can cut a rug too, but he's not really put it down on video, so no one really knows unless they've seen him live.

When ya think about it, talking about two artists whose heydays were in the mid 80s just highlights the utter shite we've got today. I cant think of anyone who comes close to them on stage in terms of performance etc.

When ya think about it, talking about two artists whose heydays were in the mid 80s just highlights the utter shite we've got today. I cant think of anyone who comes close to them on stage in terms of performance etc.

Cloudbuster said:

..... talking about two artists whose heydays were in the mid 80s just highlights the utter shite we've got today. I cant think of anyone who comes close to them on stage in terms of performance etc.

PR wins hands down.....I prefered Off The Wall to Thriller, far better album.

good points mule
also billie jean and beat it were one of the first videos to play on mtv cause the station wouldnt play black videos until thriller broke these doors down
also purple rain has some duds on it like all prince albums unlike thriller where every song could be considered as a single and the thriller video is still rated the top video ever
and with the thriller special edition cd out now the albums still selling
and least we forget thriller is the biggest selling album of all time and know other album is even close to it

laylow03 said:

What a bunch of crap. It's obvious that Michael was naturally gifted by seeing him as a performer in the Jackson Five long before Quincy was on the scene. And as I posted before, Michael's demos show that the majority of ideas came from his brain alone. Are you gonna tell
me that Quincy taught Michael how to sing and dance, too?

LIKE I SAID AND WILL KEEP SAYING: O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D!!!!!

laylow03 said:

Truly overrated in your opinion yet you'll watch a two hour documentary about him.

And don't call me a liar. Michael can play those instruments mentioned.

To the people who think Quincy deserves all the credit: Y'all are carazy.

What was the biggest hit off of Off The Wall? Don't Stop Till U Get Enough. Who wrote that song? Michael Jackson.

What were the biggest hits off of Thriller? Billie Jean and Beat It. Who wrote those songs? Michael Jackson.

What were the biggest songs off of Bad? Bad, The Way U Make Me Feel. Who wrote those songs? Michael Jackson.

Dangerous: There was no Quincy to guide Michael (which he basically stopped doing on the Bad album anyway) and that album is brilliant.

Not to mention all the great songs he wrote while he was with the Jacksons and the great stuff he wrote for himself that never bacame big hits (Stranger In Moscow, Liberian Girl, Who Is It, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc)

Give credit were credit is due.

richierich said:

alright. Every1 has their opinion. U have an interesting 1. Back @ school, I was heavily into MJ. but I never thought that P was a "copy" of MJ or vice-versa. I thought they were both the real greats out there on stage, and distinctly different. Off subject, I hated that after "Cream", P would follow it up with "Sexy MF". So we all have opinions of all sort on sorts of matters.

Comparing Prince & Michael Jackson is like comparing the Beatles to the Rolling Stones .Which of the two you like will depend on your taste in music.

Those of you who happen to say Thriller is overrated simply are uninformed or too young to form realistic opinions of the album.

Thriller and MJ saved the music industry.In 1982/1983 teenagers were not buying music.Instead we were shooting quarters into Pac-Man machines and other video games.

Thriller itself languished until the Spring of 1983 when Motown 25 appeared on TV and MJ did the famous moonwalk dance.The day after Motown 25 sales of Thriller exploded.That summer Billie Jean (the 2 single from Thriller) and a song by a gentleman named Prince battled for radio control.Billie Jean and MJ won that battle but when PR came out in 84 I beacame a life long Prince fan.

Thriller is rightfully on of the greatest albums of all times.

good points mule
also billie jean and beat it were one of the first videos to play on mtv cause the station wouldnt play black videos until thriller broke these doors down
also purple rain has some duds on it like all prince albums unlike thriller where every song could be considered as a single and the thriller video is still rated the top video ever
and with the thriller special edition cd out now the albums still selling
and least we forget thriller is the biggest selling album of all time and know other album is even close to it