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Printablelaurarichardson said: RupertZ said: It is sad to you, but not to most people. Why do you think radio stations program their stations the way they do? It is to make money. They are businesses. If stations that mixed Busta Rhymes, Led Zep, and James Brown got ratings and made money, then there would be lots of stations like this. But there aren't because the public doesn't want this. Don't be so egocentric and look at the big picture. I agree that radio sucks, but that only means that it sucks for me. For all the millions of people who like it, it is great or at least good enough to listen to and support. ----- You know what back in the 60's when FM got started you did have a mixed format. Once Corporate American came along and started buying up stations you started to see a segregated format. Millions of people are buying XM radio and no one belived people would pay for radio but millions are because they want diversity. If some genius would starte a mixed format maybe we could find out if it worked. i don't know if you've noticed, but this isn't the 60's. the types and quantity of popular music were not as vast back then. also.... people are buying XM radio because they want diversity? i'm not versed in satellite radio, but do the XM and Sirius stations play all of those types of music on one "station"? or is it just like regular radio, where you turn on different stations to hear different types of music? | |
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Don't be so egocentric and look at the big picture. I agree that radio sucks, but that only means that it sucks for me. For all the millions of people who like it, it is great or at least good enough to listen to and support.
Please explain the egocentric-ness of my statement. Im complaining about segregation, what the fuck is wrong with mixing Hendrix with Outkast with Red Hot Chili Peppers? I grew up on MIXED radio stations in the UK. And as far I know, UK people have always demonstrated a liking for mixed music on a single station. Businees Schmizness. If you dont give people the choice then youre effectivley reinforcing segregation. | |
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jagshrapnel said: Don't be so egocentric and look at the big picture. I agree that radio sucks, but that only means that it sucks for me. For all the millions of people who like it, it is great or at least good enough to listen to and support.
Please explain the egocentric-ness of my statement. Im complaining about segregation, what the fuck is wrong with mixing Hendrix with Outkast with Red Hot Chili Peppers? I grew up on MIXED radio stations in the UK. And as far I know, UK people have always demonstrated a liking for mixed music on a single station. Businees Schmizness. If you dont give people the choice then youre effectivley reinforcing segregation. is it really that much of a chore to hit the pre-programmed radio buttons on your radio? or even "scan" until you find the kind of music you want to hear? most of the time, you aren't going to find the exact song you're looking for, but there is no shortage of genres being broadcast. you just have to find the right station. there's oldies, jammin' oldies, the new RED format, top 40, urban, soul, jazz, gospel, christian, etc. you just don't want to look for it. | |
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I work in Top 40 radio,and the station this dude works at is a rhytmic Top 40
and so far Sony is only working"Musicology" to Urban and Urban AC formats.I'm sure that this guy is not making any music choices,I'm the music director at my station and we are owned by Cumulus and I have very little pull in what gets added to the playlist(however i have played "Musicology" a few times cuz eye could not help myself(U try playing "Yeah" every day and see if u don't wanna drive off a cliff)also this Brandon guy is on at night and therefore caters for the most part to fetuses in shoes, P doesn't really hit that demo any more. | |
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Ironically, Alicia Keys sounds like 70's soul now.  All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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what a great thread...
everyone should call that DJ and ask for Prince to be played, it would be interesting to see what the power of numbers can do. Of course the corporations are controlling all this, and it's exactly what Prince was addressing in ONA tour with his little NPG radio segment, to his further credit he even knocked Clear Channel who were his promoters on that tour, (kind of makes you think: if they control live music and radio isn't that anti-trust???) There's no real reasons for "format" other than it makes control easier, that's why so much rubbish is played on the radio. If people want it they'll play it... Kick up a fuss, it's surely not the DJ's fault, but... once music is being determined by demographics it all stinks of something other than music... I've said it before here and I'll say it again, we all have far wider taste in music than we are given credit for. The lowest common denominator is not the General Public, but the spoon feeding us.Rupert Z. it works because we allow it to work.But then I'm from the UK too and maybe we haven't absorbed the Fast Food industry into our system as heavily as it seems to be permeating all aspects of American Life. What's great about this thread is that it shows everyone's views some funny beliefs, some fighting the system some defending it. I say bring back pirate radio, now those were the days! | |
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crenshaw said: funkbabyandthebabysitters said: you made this up didnt you? this sounds totally fake!
Believe me, I wish it was fake. I can still hear the DJ saying to me with a cocky-assed tone, "Because it's Prince," with the emphasis on the word "Prince" as if it was the equivalent of "Vanilla Ice." If you still don't believe me, call him up yourself. The DJ's name is Brandon, and he is on "Power 92" weeknights from 6pm-11pm central time. Here is the phone number-- (866)686-9292. Here is the web address, with a link to his e-mail: http://www.power92.net/92...lities.asp [This message was edited Thu Apr 1 8:47:36 2004 by crenshaw] So,did anybody call or email this guy?  | |
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RupertZ said: laurarichardson said: ----- You know what back in the 60's when FM got started you did have a mixed format. Once Corporate American came along and started buying up stations you started to see a segregated format. Millions of people are buying XM radio and no one belived people would pay for radio but millions are because they want diversity. If some genius would starte a mixed format maybe we could find out if it worked. It has been tried...and it has failed many times until people realized that it was a dumb idea (if you are trying to get ratings and make money) As far as XM radio, they have something like 1.3 million subscribers. The population of the USA is about 300 million. You do the math. And again, yes corporate America bought the stations and programmed them in the segreated manner, but they did this becaue it works. Corporate America is in the business of making money and they program the stations to maximize their profits, which is giving most people what they want. . [This message was edited Thu Apr 1 13:06:33 2004 by RupertZ] Thank you!! It makes less money than categorized radio. Black/Urban radio got no love in the 70's when it was born. And now it's making billions. This is America, land of corporate sponsorship. Let those people at radio do their job. They got bills to pay too | |
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KatSkrizzle said: RupertZ said: It has been tried...and it has failed many times until people realized that it was a dumb idea (if you are trying to get ratings and make money) As far as XM radio, they have something like 1.3 million subscribers. The population of the USA is about 300 million. You do the math. And again, yes corporate America bought the stations and programmed them in the segreated manner, but they did this becaue it works. Corporate America is in the business of making money and they program the stations to maximize their profits, which is giving most people what they want. . [This message was edited Thu Apr 1 13:06:33 2004 by RupertZ] Thank you!! It makes less money than categorized radio. Black/Urban radio got no love in the 70's when it was born. And now it's making billions. This is America, land of corporate sponsorship. Let those people at radio do their job. They got bills to pay too ----- No on belived XM would get 5 subscribers much 1.3 million. I hope they get 10 million just to make the radio smucks look stupid. Because it was the radio smucks who said it would never work. Give it time more people are going to sign up. No one belived that cable orignal programming would kick the ass of network t.v but it is happening. I don't know if anyone has tried a mixed format. I do know that a all rap format was tried in CA and was a huge bomb because know one wants to listen or pay for advertising for that crap. I work in Corporate America I can tell you people are not as sharpe as you think they are. If you have not noticed Corp America is real good at ripping people off. | |
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jagshrapnel said: Don't be so egocentric and look at the big picture. I agree that radio sucks, but that only means that it sucks for me. For all the millions of people who like it, it is great or at least good enough to listen to and support.
Please explain the egocentric-ness of my statement. Im complaining about segregation, what the fuck is wrong with mixing Hendrix with Outkast with Red Hot Chili Peppers? I grew up on MIXED radio stations in the UK. And as far I know, UK people have always demonstrated a liking for mixed music on a single station. Businees Schmizness. If you dont give people the choice then youre effectivley reinforcing segregation. ----- It is amazing that they have mixed formats in Europe but know one thinks it will work in the U.S.A. | |
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KatSkrizzle said: RupertZ said: It has been tried...and it has failed many times until people realized that it was a dumb idea (if you are trying to get ratings and make money) As far as XM radio, they have something like 1.3 million subscribers. The population of the USA is about 300 million. You do the math. And again, yes corporate America bought the stations and programmed them in the segreated manner, but they did this becaue it works. Corporate America is in the business of making money and they program the stations to maximize their profits, which is giving most people what they want. . [This message was edited Thu Apr 1 13:06:33 2004 by RupertZ] Thank you!! It makes less money than categorized radio. Black/Urban radio got no love in the 70's when it was born. And now it's making billions. This is America, land of corporate sponsorship. Let those people at radio do their job. They got bills to pay too ----- I tell you what you keep listening to the musical genius of Lil John. | |
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laurarichardson said: KatSkrizzle said: Thank you!! It makes less money than categorized radio. Black/Urban radio got no love in the 70's when it was born. And now it's making billions. This is America, land of corporate sponsorship. Let those people at radio do their job. They got bills to pay too ----- I tell you what you keep listening to the musical genius of Lil John. do you have something against me personally? What's the issue? everytime I say anything you got an assh*le response for me. I don't know you, but you gotta have an issue with me. What, are you that disgruntled to have an issue with someone on a MESSAGE BOARD? Are you mad because this world don't listen to your sh#$? What's the problem? This is a BUSINESS. If I want to experience real music I go somewhere else. Obviously not TV or radio. You don't even know me but you got some $h%T to say everytime I respond to something. | |
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laurarichardson said: KatSkrizzle said: Thank you!! It makes less money than categorized radio. Black/Urban radio got no love in the 70's when it was born. And now it's making billions. This is America, land of corporate sponsorship. Let those people at radio do their job. They got bills to pay too ----- No on belived XM would get 5 subscribers much 1.3 million. I hope they get 10 million just to make the radio smucks look stupid. Because it was the radio smucks who said it would never work. Give it time more people are going to sign up. No one belived that cable orignal programming would kick the ass of network t.v but it is happening. I don't know if anyone has tried a mixed format. I do know that a all rap format was tried in CA and was a huge bomb because know one wants to listen or pay for advertising for that crap. I work in Corporate America I can tell you people are not as sharpe as you think they are. If you have not noticed Corp America is real good at ripping people off. All rap radio is not a winner in CA. But it's winning in the South, sweet cheeks | |
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DavidEye said: These radio DJs are so clueless,it ain't even funny.That's why I rarely listen to the radio these days.Urban radio stations only care about hip-hop,or R&B songs that sound like hip-hop.Years ago,I had a lively "discussion" with one of our local radio DJs about why they never play Prince.It's useless trying to get through to these people!
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jagshrapnel said: Don't be so egocentric and look at the big picture. I agree that radio sucks, but that only means that it sucks for me. For all the millions of people who like it, it is great or at least good enough to listen to and support.
Please explain the egocentric-ness of my statement. Im complaining about segregation, what the fuck is wrong with mixing Hendrix with Outkast with Red Hot Chili Peppers? I grew up on MIXED radio stations in the UK. And as far I know, UK people have always demonstrated a liking for mixed music on a single station. Businees Schmizness. If you dont give people the choice then youre effectivley reinforcing segregation. I remember back in the day you could jam to Prince, Madonna, Twisted Sister, Duran Duran, David Bowie, Patti Labelle, Cyndi Lauper, Quiet Riot, Earth, Wind, and Fire, the Jacksons, Paul McCartney all on the same radio station. BAck in the day, radio was divided by country, gospel, christian, and everything else was clustered together. Now, you literally have to surf the radio airwaves to hear a mixed variety unless it is an Adult Conteperary - then it is all about the tempo, not the artist. I'm starting to show my damn age!!! _________________________________________
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Mazerati said: i don't know i heard a figure where 88% of all rap is bought by white people
TRUE !!! Rap is the new Metal/Shock rock. Black folks clowning and acting a fool always sells for the "man". Then again people like clowning and acting a fool .  [This message was edited Sat Apr 3 14:38:41 2004 by muleFunk] |
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KatSkrizzle said: laurarichardson said: ----- I tell you what you keep listening to the musical genius of Lil John. do you have something against me personally? What's the issue? everytime I say anything you got an assh*le response for me. I don't know you, but you gotta have an issue with me. What, are you that disgruntled to have an issue with someone on a MESSAGE BOARD? Are you mad because this world don't listen to your sh#$? What's the problem? This is a BUSINESS. If I want to experience real music I go somewhere else. Obviously not TV or radio. You don't even know me but you got some $h%T to say everytime I respond to something. ----- I don't have anything against you. I just speak the truth and I never apolize for doing that. If you are in the industry you know pay for play goes on and you sit up on this board and appear to think it is okay. I don't think it is okay. In fact I am pretty sure it violates some anti-trust laws. It is called agree to disagree and you and I just don't agree. It is just a discussion don't take it personally. | |
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KatSkrizzle said: laurarichardson said: ----- No on belived XM would get 5 subscribers much 1.3 million. I hope they get 10 million just to make the radio smucks look stupid. Because it was the radio smucks who said it would never work. Give it time more people are going to sign up. No one belived that cable orignal programming would kick the ass of network t.v but it is happening. I don't know if anyone has tried a mixed format. I do know that a all rap format was tried in CA and was a huge bomb because know one wants to listen or pay for advertising for that crap. I work in Corporate America I can tell you people are not as sharpe as you think they are. If you have not noticed Corp America is real good at ripping people off. All rap radio is not a winner in CA. But it's winning in the South, sweet cheeks ----- Thank god I don't live in the South. My Mini-Disc player would be worn out. | |
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Who the fuck is Little John? Lawd these younguns..ant keep up with em all. Oh my, oh my. | |
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CinisterCee said: DavidEye said: Exactly!! Here in the Bay Area,stations like KYLD,KMEL and KDON never play new Prince music.They ignore him totally.But when he comes to town for a concert,all of a sudden they become huge fans/supporters.They show up at his concerts,acting as if they got alot of love for him. Do they actually play new music to promote him though? I know radio here ignored him until he came around in 1997, but then it was all about "Little Red Corvette" "1999" "When Doves Cry" and maybe "Let's Go Crazy" (the rock station actually promoted that concert). But he toured here in summer 2002 and I don't know that it was promoted by anydambody? I haven't heard new Prince on urban radio since "Somebody's Somebody" on Energy 108 in Ontario. NO, they don't play new music to support him  In the Bay Area there's one station that keeps Prince somewhat in rotation (KISS FM) but they're an "old school" station - they play Kiss, IWBYL, old classics of his (and not many).
But the other stations COMPLETELY IGNORE him until concert time. The day before & the day of a show when they're giving away tickets & shit they'll spin Erotic City or Gett Off, NEVER anything new. The fact that I can't turn on the radio & hear "If I Was the Man In Ur Life" or "Call My Name" is some utter BOOOLSHIT. With the exception of his first two albums Prince has NEVER fit any format - he defies format, which is what makes him unique. Why don't these muthafuckas get that? How can a dj sit up & spin the same old stupid shit minute after minute & not give a fuck about what's actually GOOD. The world is so corporate, pisses me the fuck off    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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I've seen many posts I wanted 2 quote but I ayn feel like it so I'll just tryda point a few or whateva as I say my part. I think I'm probably 1 da few southern teenager from VA that's REALLY in2 Prince. I love Rap/Hip Hop. But 2day's type is all da same so most da kind I like is OL'SKOO! My friends think I'm crazy 'bout that but dun matta 2 me. I haven't really listened 2 102 Jamz(station down here) 2 see it they actually played 'Musicology' I'm sure they would have cuz Busta Brown,Amos Quick,& all da othas always be talkin' 'bout ol'skoo songs. As 4 that 1 that refused 2 play Prince's new song..he justa hata. Just cuz Prince ayn wearin' no baggy ass pants,big ass shirts wit all da urban style names & trends on it,chains,& otha irrelavant things dun make him not good enuff. I know 2day's generation of music is real wack esp. 2 what the grown-ups say,& it's true. I myself always felt ouhda place..I dun feel I should be 15 I feel I should be in my mid 20s. When Prince 1st started back in the day,I'm VERY sure he got tons of hataz sayin' he turnt his back & otha shit..I think that's stupid. It's good he done sumthin' different,it's koo cause he reppin' 4 in genres that not many black pplz are known 4 doin'. Instead of hatin' it should be sum congradulatin'. Some new hip hop artists are doin' sum things type positive like J-Kwon wit his new album 'Hoop Hop' he said on 106 & Park that it wuz 2 introduce the hood 2 pop. That's good 4oa youngbuck 2 do that. So there's a few good 1s out there,who aynna 'fraid 2 mix it up. I can't rememba who but sumbody on here said they didn't know who LiL John wuz...I think u should count'cha blessings. That dude ALWAYS 4eva inna MV screamin' "YEEEEAH" or "OKAAAAY" it's retarded..course boys & a few girls round my school be goin' 'round doin' that,it ayn cute it's annoyin' as hell. I rememba seein' eitha on tv or readin' that sumbody said Lil John looked like a black cousin itt(u know from addams family) Watch the Chappelle show Dave be actin' like him a whole lot,OR tryda see Usher's MV 'Yeah' Lil John is in that runnin' all around there like a dumbass. Otha than that there's gonna always be sum pplz that don't undastand Prince & it's ashame how based on what I thought ova I guess 30 sumthin' years segregation wuz ova in schools & public areas..looks like radio is buildin' up segregation again. Pitiful..just pitiful...
*Proud 2 be 1 da few 2day's teenager 2 love P* P.S.Sorry if there's a lotta misspellings this topic really got me on typin'. [This message was edited Sat Apr 3 20:45:10 2004 by KeLo07]  My 2004 August Highlights: *Tuesday 24th*-best day of my lifeI get my *LEARNERS*-Oh yeah it's ALL good !! | |
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That DJ is ignorant!!  "Just like the sun, the Rainbow Children rise."
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radio sucks anyway !!!! if radio started to play Musicology often, that would mean that Musicology is a crappy song because you only hear mindless drone music on the radio. radio sucks. it's corprate owned bullshit. fuck radio !!!!! | |
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