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PrintableTurnItUp said: dealodelandron said: I never said she was 'fully black' as you put it. The idea of racial purity is pretty much a farce anyway. Does Mani have to appear 'fully black' to count? Where are you comin from with this? Sheila was not lying. I've known her family for some time because my late uncle was tight with Peter Michael before he passed. That is not her imagination or her wishful thinking. I can't say for Nona, but Prince has never denied it. On Susan, how many people that have been associated with Prince have to say that Prince was with Susan for you to believe it? Why should I have to have pictures when tons of people that actually know him have confirmed it. Even with the women that we've seen Prince with in pictures, its not like we have seen them fuckin or anything. For all we know, that could have been a farce. Your criteria for deciding whether or not to believe this just seems odd to me. Sorry, I am not trying to dis, I'm just trying to understand what you're getting at. Preference is just one factor. Does a guy have to go out with an equal amount of a certain type of woman to prove that he is just as attracted to them? Does he have to chase a certain type of woman just to say he has added a particular ethnicity knotch to his belt? As popular as Prince was, he aint isn't above rejection. Perhaps some of the black women he was trying to get at weren't feelin him. Like Patrice Rushen. My point is, we don't know for sure, and it just seems funny to come up with so many matter of fact statements when few of us can be in the position to know. If anything, some might make a case that he likes black women of mixed ancestry, but even then, we don't know the whole story. Everyone has preferences. For example, I have dated mostly Arabic, and Latin women (some were black), and only a few African American women, white, and Asian. I'm attracted to all, but they aint always trying to get at me. My family is African American, Puerto Rican Antillais, and Native American so why should I discriminate? I also didn't grow up in an area that had a lot of African American women, or Asian women and I aint about to restrict myself to one type of woman. See I said this on a topic I made up before, this is just what I thought, you thinking about your own situation. I'm talking about P. I wanna see pictures anyway. These people that know them that's just their word and those ladies that were with him in pictures like Kim Bassinger, I'll believe they were with him over the others. I've seen him and Sheila E. on stage but in a friendly manner musician-friend relationship. Sorry I'm not convinced. No shit you are talking about P. Its just an example that took up one paragraph. Perhaps you didn't read the 90 % of the message that was focused on P. You take seeing is believing to another level. If you saw them, you'd probably say they were digitally altered. | |
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dealodelandron said: TurnItUp said: See I said this on a topic I made up before, this is just what I thought, you thinking about your own situation. I'm talking about P. I wanna see pictures anyway. These people that know them that's just their word and those ladies that were with him in pictures like Kim Bassinger, I'll believe they were with him over the others. I've seen him and Sheila E. on stage but in a friendly manner musician-friend relationship. Sorry I'm not convinced. No shit you are talking about P. Its just an example that took up one paragraph. Perhaps you didn't read the 90 % of the message that was focused on P. You take seeing is believing to another level. If you saw them, you'd probably say they were digitally altered. If you show me a picture that looks too fake, yeah I would say that, but if it looks a real as he and Mayte or he and the pictures of him holding hands with both Diamond and Pearl, then you proved me wrong. I wanna see pictures, that's all I'm requesting.  | |
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fauxnewbie said: Man, I used to like Bobby Brown when I was young. Always used to listen to the "Don't Be Cruel" album on holiday in France. Can't believe it now. God, he was terrible.
Do you remember "Roni"? 
He was so shit.  Kids huh, have no taste.  | |
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Susan Moonsie is Black..  ?
Hmm...she doesn't look Black too me..  | |
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TurnItUp said: PurpleCharm said: Who is Diamonds and Pearls?
Look at the front cover of the Diamonds and Pearls album, plus his Gett Off, Cream and Diamonds and Pearls video. They are also in the bed with him in Sexy MF. oh..ok..Thanks! | |
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PurpleCharm said: Susan Moonsie is Black..
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Hmm...she doesn't look Black too me.. what is black supposed to look like? | |
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dealodelandron said: PurpleCharm said: Susan Moonsie is Black..
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Hmm...she doesn't look Black too me.. what is black supposed to look like? Like me...  | |
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fredericdoug said: I was watching "Access Hollywood" today and they were interviewing the newly unjailed Bobby Brown and he said he was interested in getting back into music and would like Prince's help. Lastly, he said, "I want Prince's help because we went to Patterson together and that Prince would know what he was talking about". What is this Patterson? A high school? Did anybody else see this. It will probably re-air early Sat or Monday in some areas.
I don't know if this is true or not but first off, Prince and Bobby Brown together is like Frankie Avalon and 50 Cent together and that's not reality. Second, what the fuck is Patterson? Prince is like 10 years older than Bobby so what's this shit all about? | |
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I haven't seen all the recent Prince interviews, but it seems like he is avoiding doing collobrations with other artists and I'm sure he ain't gonna stop just to work with sorry ass Bobby Brown...maybe Whitney...MAYBE! | |
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I've always known Susan Moonsie to be biracial ( Black and Asian Indian), ie., Tatyana Ali- Ashley on Fresh Prince of Bellaire.
Women that have both black parents that I know of Prince to have Dated: 1. Kim -(Purple Rain waitress) during his teenage years 2. Patrice Rushen- Not sure if they dated but have heard for years he had a thing for her. 3. Latoya Jackson- Yes kiddies, I have even heard he was interested in her at one time. 4. Nona Gaye- Possibly, but if it is true in that they never slept together, for some reason, I am not really surprised. I've always found it interesting the lack of black women in the Prince camps, considering black women were and still is the backbone to his success. In later years black women started to show in his projects but most of his career there was a void. Even when Under The Cherry Moon was released, I instantly found it unusual that in that particular day and time a black man shot a movie where he had control and there were on 3 black women in his movie and they all had extremely limited parts. I also always get kicks out of people that say, "oh race doesn't matter". But if Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc., all suddenly were single and for the next 10 years seem to only date black women, the whole world would notice. Even in the sports world, there are so many black athletes that have wives that are not black, but reverse the tables and ask how many white athletes have black wives? And when a light is shown on that fact, then suddenly race doesn't matter. *note- For the movie Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson was to have stayed true to the Bible, which is why Jews were dipicted the way they were. But if his biggest concern was staying as accurate as can be to the Bible, then why did Jesus look European white, when the Bible does not decribe him that way. Of course when this was brought up, guess what was said.....Oh it doesn't matter about a persons race. I am a true believer that love is blind, but I think it is only natural to notice that SO MANY of Black America's "elite" have non-black, or half black wives and children when compared to the same ratio of other groups. I am convinced Beyonce's career would not be where it is, if she had dark skin. | |
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Oh and could "Patterson" possibly be a celebrity psychologist or a therapist? Prince has admitted to taking someone through therapy (that's when he discovered he had another personality....remember the Oprah Interview?) Maybe they have a psycho therapist in common (I'm being serious by the way). I am convinced Beyonce's career would not be where it is, if she had dark skin. | |
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VelvetJ said: I've always known Susan Moonsie to be biracial ( Black and Asian Indian), ie., Tatyana Ali- Ashley on Fresh Prince of Bellaire.
Women that have both black parents that I know of Prince to have Dated: 1. Kim -(Purple Rain waitress) during his teenage years 2. Patrice Rushen- Not sure if they dated but have heard for years he had a thing for her. 3. Latoya Jackson- Yes kiddies, I have even heard he was interested in her at one time. 4. Nona Gaye- Possibly, but if it is true in that they never slept together, for some reason, I am not really surprised. I've always found it interesting the lack of black women in the Prince camps, considering black women were and still is the backbone to his success. In later years black women started to show in his projects but most of his career there was a void. Even when Under The Cherry Moon was released, I instantly found it unusual that in that particular day and time a black man shot a movie where he had control and there were on 3 black women in his movie and they all had extremely limited parts. I also always get kicks out of people that say, "oh race doesn't matter". But if Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc., all suddenly were single and for the next 10 years seem to only date black women, the whole world would notice. Even in the sports world, there are so many black athletes that have wives that are not black, but reverse the tables and ask how many white athletes have black wives? And when a light is shown on that fact, then suddenly race doesn't matter. *note- For the movie Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson was to have stayed true to the Bible, which is why Jews were dipicted the way they were. But if his biggest concern was staying as accurate as can be to the Bible, then why did Jesus look European white, when the Bible does not decribe him that way. Of course when this was brought up, guess what was said.....Oh it doesn't matter about a persons race. I am a true believer that love is blind, but I think it is only natural to notice that SO MANY of Black America's "elite" have non-black, or half black wives and children when compared to the same ratio of other groups. Thank you Velvet! That's all I was saying or trying to anyway. Sometimes when you discuss something on the org people want to attack you because they don't agree with what you are saying. (I can be that way at times) I love P just like the majority of the org, but whoever I love I'm not gonna always say or sugarcoat a topic or comment because I think I might offend some of the orgers. Whatever someone's preference is that's their choice and that's their right. I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm going by the vast majority of women he's had on his arm and even in his movies. Thank you, you hit the whole thing on the nail. | |
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VelvetJ said: I've always known Susan Moonsie to be biracial ( Black and Asian Indian), ie., Tatyana Ali- Ashley on Fresh Prince of Bellaire.
Women that have both black parents that I know of Prince to have Dated: 1. Kim -(Purple Rain waitress) during his teenage years 2. Patrice Rushen- Not sure if they dated but have heard for years he had a thing for her. 3. Latoya Jackson- Yes kiddies, I have even heard he was interested in her at one time. 4. Nona Gaye- Possibly, but if it is true in that they never slept together, for some reason, I am not really surprised. I've always found it interesting the lack of black women in the Prince camps, considering black women were and still is the backbone to his success. In later years black women started to show in his projects but most of his career there was a void. Even when Under The Cherry Moon was released, I instantly found it unusual that in that particular day and time a black man shot a movie where he had control and there were on 3 black women in his movie and they all had extremely limited parts. I also always get kicks out of people that say, "oh race doesn't matter". But if Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc., all suddenly were single and for the next 10 years seem to only date black women, the whole world would notice. Even in the sports world, there are so many black athletes that have wives that are not black, but reverse the tables and ask how many white athletes have black wives? And when a light is shown on that fact, then suddenly race doesn't matter. *note- For the movie Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson was to have stayed true to the Bible, which is why Jews were dipicted the way they were. But if his biggest concern was staying as accurate as can be to the Bible, then why did Jesus look European white, when the Bible does not decribe him that way. Of course when this was brought up, guess what was said.....Oh it doesn't matter about a persons race. I am a true believer that love is blind, but I think it is only natural to notice that SO MANY of Black America's "elite" have non-black, or half black wives and children when compared to the same ratio of other groups. Prince has/had issues with his Blackness, like many Black people in the world, which translated to his attraction to non-Black women or racially ambigious looking women. I recall Dennis Rodman saying that growing up, he couldn't get any play with Black women because of his looks, which I guess was suppose to explain why he doesn't date Black women. Well, Prince probably experienced the same thing--he probably couldn't score with the ladies and was most likely teased because of his height and his looks (Prince was not a looker when he was younger ..of course, he is fine now).....very warped mentality I must say.
It's funny how the majority of the Black women that he has worked with professionally are overweight..ie..Mavis Staples, Rosie Gaines, Patti LaBelle and Angie Stone. Regardless of Prince's issue, I still love his music. He is human like the rest of us and is not above having problems like us average joes and janes. [This message was edited Wed Apr 21 11:45:00 2004 by PurpleCharm] | |
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Daddypop7779311 said: TurnItUp said: I believe your friend. Nona said in 2 mags that she and P were an item, but I am just not convinced. I believe he has found a couple of black women attractive, but when it comes to having a bracelet on his arm this is the list. Susannah Melvoin Diamond and Pearl Apollonia Carmen Electra Mayte Kim Bassinger Sheena Easton and so on Vanity and Troy Beyer was mixed Mani, I don't know what her background is, but it aint black. As far as Nona and Susan Moonsie goes, I am just now hearing about that in the book Possessed and I'm still not sure about that. When he is with black women it's in the dark and behind closed doors, not the light and up front like the early ladies I mentioned. Even in the video for Love Sign, the part were he and Nona supposedly slept together, they cut away and you see nothing. But you saw everything with Diamond and Pearl in Gett Off Dont be ridiculous. Reading Possessed is bad enough as it is. Read Dez's book and the Susan affair was real - years before all the celeb babes and Purple Rain A little off topic, but I was just thinking; if Susan was SIXTEEN when Vanity 6 first came out HOW THE HELL OLD WAS SHE when she was allegedly with Prince? And was this before or after Vanity? In any case, she seemed a tad young for him, running around with that teddy bear and all...I know he likes 'em relatively young but jeez... | |
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afronubia said: As a resident of Alabama, I've it is my responsibility to jump in here:
Bobby Brown was born February 5, 1969. This means that he was 8 yrs old in 1977. Let it be known that the state of AL does not customarily lock up 8 yr olds with adults. However, if they can prove they have somewhere to park their trailers, we'll allow them to marry their 12 yr old cousins.  oH LAW-ED this thread is killing me! Y'all need to stop because my stomach hurts from laughing so hard!
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PurpleCharm said: Susan Moonsie is Black..
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Hmm...she doesn't look Black too me.. she looks eastern African to me, as in Ethiopian or Somalian. I've been to Minneapolis and they seem to have a sizable immigrant population of Ethiopians and/or Somalians there...flawless chocolate skin with masses of wavy hair; she TOTALLY fits the typical look of an eastern African from that region actually...it didn't strike me until I realized, while visiting MPLS, how much she looked like any other girl I know from Somalia or Ethiopia. When I was a kid, her "look" did strike me as different, but that's only because my young, untraveled behind had never seen people from Eastern Africa before. Once I'd gotten older, met some folks, went a few places and ended up in MPLS one day surrounded by black folks from that region of Africa, it kinda clicked in my head like " oh that's why that Susan girl looked so exotic...her people must be from Somalia or Ethiopia!" ...I'd put money on it, actually... | |
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Bobby Brown reminds me of Eddie Kane Jr. ( The Five Heartbeats) Remember him?
Nights like this... I wish raindrops would FAHAHAHAHALLLL !!!!! Which came first , music or the ear for it? | |
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ReeseStrongnight said: PurpleCharm said: Susan Moonsie is Black..
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Hmm...she doesn't look Black too me.. she looks eastern African to me, as in Ethiopian or Somalian. I've been to Minneapolis and they seem to have a sizable immigrant population of Ethiopians and/or Somalians there...flawless chocolate skin with masses of wavy hair; she TOTALLY fits the typical look of an eastern African from that region actually...it didn't strike me until I realized, while visiting MPLS, how much she looked like any other girl I know from Somalia or Ethiopia. When I was a kid, her "look" did strike me as different, but that's only because my young, untraveled behind had never seen people from Eastern Africa before. Once I'd gotten older, met some folks, went a few places and ended up in MPLS one day surrounded by black folks from that region of Africa, it kinda clicked in my head like " oh that's why that Susan girl looked so exotic...her people must be from Somalia or Ethiopia!" ...I'd put money on it, actually... I never thought about that....excellent points... | |
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ReeseStrongnight said: PurpleCharm said: Susan Moonsie is Black..
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Hmm...she doesn't look Black too me.. she looks eastern African to me, as in Ethiopian or Somalian. I've been to Minneapolis and they seem to have a sizable immigrant population of Ethiopians and/or Somalians there...flawless chocolate skin with masses of wavy hair; she TOTALLY fits the typical look of an eastern African from that region actually...it didn't strike me until I realized, while visiting MPLS, how much she looked like any other girl I know from Somalia or Ethiopia. When I was a kid, her "look" did strike me as different, but that's only because my young, untraveled behind had never seen people from Eastern Africa before. Once I'd gotten older, met some folks, went a few places and ended up in MPLS one day surrounded by black folks from that region of Africa, it kinda clicked in my head like " oh that's why that Susan girl looked so exotic...her people must be from Somalia or Ethiopia!" ...I'd put money on it, actually... Great explanation. You may be right as far as her ancestry. Most immediately, she is Trinidadian though. | |
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TurnItUp said: VelvetJ said: I've always known Susan Moonsie to be biracial ( Black and Asian Indian), ie., Tatyana Ali- Ashley on Fresh Prince of Bellaire.
Women that have both black parents that I know of Prince to have Dated: 1. Kim -(Purple Rain waitress) during his teenage years 2. Patrice Rushen- Not sure if they dated but have heard for years he had a thing for her. 3. Latoya Jackson- Yes kiddies, I have even heard he was interested in her at one time. 4. Nona Gaye- Possibly, but if it is true in that they never slept together, for some reason, I am not really surprised. I've always found it interesting the lack of black women in the Prince camps, considering black women were and still is the backbone to his success. In later years black women started to show in his projects but most of his career there was a void. Even when Under The Cherry Moon was released, I instantly found it unusual that in that particular day and time a black man shot a movie where he had control and there were on 3 black women in his movie and they all had extremely limited parts. I also always get kicks out of people that say, "oh race doesn't matter". But if Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc., all suddenly were single and for the next 10 years seem to only date black women, the whole world would notice. Even in the sports world, there are so many black athletes that have wives that are not black, but reverse the tables and ask how many white athletes have black wives? And when a light is shown on that fact, then suddenly race doesn't matter. *note- For the movie Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson was to have stayed true to the Bible, which is why Jews were dipicted the way they were. But if his biggest concern was staying as accurate as can be to the Bible, then why did Jesus look European white, when the Bible does not decribe him that way. Of course when this was brought up, guess what was said.....Oh it doesn't matter about a persons race. I am a true believer that love is blind, but I think it is only natural to notice that SO MANY of Black America's "elite" have non-black, or half black wives and children when compared to the same ratio of other groups. Thank you Velvet! That's all I was saying or trying to anyway. Sometimes when you discuss something on the org people want to attack you because they don't agree with what you are saying. (I can be that way at times) I love P just like the majority of the org, but whoever I love I'm not gonna always say or sugarcoat a topic or comment because I think I might offend some of the orgers. Whatever someone's preference is that's their choice and that's their right. I'm just calling it like I see it. I'm going by the vast majority of women he's had on his arm and even in his movies. Thank you, you hit the whole thing on the nail.It isn't really an org issue. These are STILL sensitive issues in the black community. While I think it is a valid argument that Prince has NOT showcased a lot of women that you might say have two black parents. However, it also seems like many of the women he has showcased (with recent black ancestry) do not count at all in the opinions of some here on the org. How many does he have to date of any ethnicity to show that he is attracted? Whether it was subconscious or intentional, or even a real issue for that matter...Prince does seem to have evolved a bit more, but it just seems like Vanity, Susan, Jill Jones, Nona, Mani (if she does have black ancestry) do not even register because they are mixed. Perhaps he never thought it was a big deal til people pointed it out. I couldn't say. I don't recall there being a HUGE black population in Minnesota. Is that correct? That should also come into consideration. I'm not saying you are wrong because your argument would certainly make sense, but we don't know the real truth as to why he hasn't been seen with a lot of black women regardless of how mixed they are or aren't. | |
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I dun really care much about who Prince is dating(heritage-wise) I am biracially mixed I'm Black American & Jamaican(Mom-black & Dad-Jamaican). I'm not dark skin more ofva brown skin & I dun have perfect hair but it's not as bad or in ne dreds. The area I live & school I go 2 are many Black pplz. I'm not even attracted 2 all black guys I like'em a lil' mixed. But I won't lie if he wuzn't married 2 Mani I would like 2 see P witta Black woman-IMO. Of course it's not my decision,Love can be blind nuthin' doesn't always gotta be 1 way. Da thing is P is happy he found his true lover & he's happy & if he's happy I'm happy 2. & just like 1 person said a couple posts back he's married now & it's all the past. This subject can only come up if he & Mani were 2 divorce(which I doubt that would happen).
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When did the new race of not fully black start? This is news to me and quite frankly it is news to this country. Historically if you black mixed with anything you were still considerd black. I guess with the advent fo Mariah Carey and Tiger Woods this became a non issue with the pop loving crowd.
I say all that to say this. It is unfair to write off Prince's affair with Vanity and Susan with the statement that 'they are not fully black.' That is foolish and until recently has never done anyone with any black heratige any good. Honestly are we supposed to look at Vanity as white now? What about Halle Berry and Alicia Keys? All of those women would tell you in a heartbeat that they are black and actually they have every chance that they have gotten. See when you have mixed ancestry life can be very confusing. Not really for you but for everyone else around you. I am not bi racial but I am close. My mom on the other hand is a healthy mix of Italian and Panamanian and looks white. In a heart beat she will tell you that she is black. Now if you want to discuss heratige she will tell you that, but for the quick answer she is black. That is how I view Vanity, Susan etc. Also I believe Mani is Itallian right? If that is the case then depending where her family is from (and from the looks of it I will say southern Italy) Mani like many Italians probably has an dark African bloodline in her. Peace THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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...Bobby Brown needs Princes help with black women???..damn..who'd a thought it... | |
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Prince wrote a song about his Sister she's black ain't she? | |
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chiltonmusic said: When did the new race of not fully black start? This is news to me and quite frankly it is news to this country. Historically if you black mixed with anything you were still considerd black. I guess with the advent fo Mariah Carey and Tiger Woods this became a non issue with the pop loving crowd.
I say all that to say this. It is unfair to write off Prince's affair with Vanity and Susan with the statement that 'they are not fully black.' That is foolish and until recently has never done anyone with any black heratige any good. Honestly are we supposed to look at Vanity as white now? What about Halle Berry and Alicia Keys? All of those women would tell you in a heartbeat that they are black and actually they have every chance that they have gotten. See when you have mixed ancestry life can be very confusing. Not really for you but for everyone else around you. I am not bi racial but I am close. My mom on the other hand is a healthy mix of Italian and Panamanian and looks white. In a heart beat she will tell you that she is black. Now if you want to discuss heratige she will tell you that, but for the quick answer she is black. That is how I view Vanity, Susan etc. Also I believe Mani is Itallian right? If that is the case then depending where her family is from (and from the looks of it I will say southern Italy) Mani like many Italians probably has an dark African bloodline in her. Peace I'm Panamanian too, nice to see Panama's representin' on the Org. As for this discussion, it's pointless and meaningless but understandable considering how extremely colorstruck this country's people of color are. I'm a dark-skinned, second-generation Panamanian of Jamaican descent. I lived in Panama until I was 7 and was the darkest kid on my block and in my class. But no one ever told me I was black or ugly until I came to the US. And it was always my own brothers and sisters hurling these insults. It took me a long time to find my self-esteem and confidence and realize that I'm truly beautiful. I'm not kidding, I'm fine!!! Prince even told me that one night at an aftershow
This country has a terrible history that has scarred its black people deeply and created divisions within the black community along color lines. This is evidenced by how vocal, defensive, and personal this thread has become. It's like some people are viewing Prince's preference (and I do believe he has one) as a personal attack or rejection of them. Let's all take a breath and realize that even if Prince is colorstruck (which he probably is) does that change the way you feel about him or his music??? | |
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VelvetJ said: I've always found it interesting the lack of black women in the Prince camps, considering black women were and still is the backbone to his success. In later years black women started to show in his projects but most of his career there was a void. Even when Under The Cherry Moon was released, I instantly found it unusual that in that particular day and time a black man shot a movie where he had control and there were on 3 black women in his movie and they all had extremely limited parts. I also always get kicks out of people that say, "oh race doesn't matter". But if Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc., all suddenly were single and for the next 10 years seem to only date black women, the whole world would notice. Even in the sports world, there are so many black athletes that have wives that are not black, but reverse the tables and ask how many white athletes have black wives? And when a light is shown on that fact, then suddenly race doesn't matter. *note- For the movie Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson was to have stayed true to the Bible, which is why Jews were dipicted the way they were. But if his biggest concern was staying as accurate as can be to the Bible, then why did Jesus look European white, when the Bible does not decribe him that way. Of course when this was brought up, guess what was said.....Oh it doesn't matter about a persons race. I am a true believer that love is blind, but I think it is only natural to notice that SO MANY of Black America's "elite" have non-black, or half black wives and children when compared to the same ratio of other groups. WOW! WOW! WOW!!!! You really hit it on the nail here. As a black woman and a die-hard true to life Prince fam, let me just say that I agree with you 100%%%%!!!! I have always been bothered by the fact that Prince doesn't seem to showcase black women much throughout his career. Yet, whenever it's brought up, people say that race doesn't matter. But race DOES matter!! It will always matter as long as this is NOT a colorblind society. Yes, I don't see white men racing out to date or marry black women...not like black men chase after light-skinned, white and other non-black women. [However, I must say that many black women, including myself have been hit on my white men.] And it is true that many successful black men prefer light, white or non-black women; that's just how it is. It is ironic that with all the support black women give to P, he doesn't seem to me to be very appreciative of them as far as the women he chooses to have romantic relations with. Now, does that mean that he has a color problem? I don't know. We all know the rumors about black women that he's been associated with, but that's just it: they're all rumors, but the white women he's been romantically involved with we know all about. Just strange, really... | |
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SCNDLS said: chiltonmusic said: When did the new race of not fully black start? This is news to me and quite frankly it is news to this country. Historically if you black mixed with anything you were still considerd black. I guess with the advent fo Mariah Carey and Tiger Woods this became a non issue with the pop loving crowd.
I say all that to say this. It is unfair to write off Prince's affair with Vanity and Susan with the statement that 'they are not fully black.' That is foolish and until recently has never done anyone with any black heratige any good. Honestly are we supposed to look at Vanity as white now? What about Halle Berry and Alicia Keys? All of those women would tell you in a heartbeat that they are black and actually they have every chance that they have gotten. See when you have mixed ancestry life can be very confusing. Not really for you but for everyone else around you. I am not bi racial but I am close. My mom on the other hand is a healthy mix of Italian and Panamanian and looks white. In a heart beat she will tell you that she is black. Now if you want to discuss heratige she will tell you that, but for the quick answer she is black. That is how I view Vanity, Susan etc. Also I believe Mani is Itallian right? If that is the case then depending where her family is from (and from the looks of it I will say southern Italy) Mani like many Italians probably has an dark African bloodline in her. Peace I'm Panamanian too, nice to see Panama's representin' on the Org. As for this discussion, it's pointless and meaningless but understandable considering how extremely colorstruck this country's people of color are. I'm a dark-skinned, second-generation Panamanian of Jamaican descent. I lived in Panama until I was 7 and was the darkest kid on my block and in my class. But no one ever told me I was black or ugly until I came to the US. And it was always my own brothers and sisters hurling these insults. It took me a long time to find my self-esteem and confidence and realize that I'm truly beautiful. I'm not kidding, I'm fine!!! Prince even told me that one night at an aftershow
This country has a terrible history that has scarred its black people deeply and created divisions within the black community along color lines. This is evidenced by how vocal, defensive, and personal this thread has become. It's like some people are viewing Prince's preference (and I do believe he has one) as a personal attack or rejection of them. Let's all take a breath and realize that even if Prince is colorstruck (which he probably is) does that change the way you feel about him or his music???  | |
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KeLo07 said: I dun really care much about who Prince is dating(heritage-wise) I am biracially mixed I'm Black American & Jamaican(Mom-black & Dad-Jamaican). I'm not dark skin more ofva brown skin & I dun have perfect hair but it's not as bad or in ne dreds. The area I live & school I go 2 are many Black pplz. I'm not even attracted 2 all black guys I like'em a lil' mixed. But I won't lie if he wuzn't married 2 Mani I would like 2 see P witta Black woman-IMO. Of course it's not my decision,Love can be blind nuthin' doesn't always gotta be 1 way. Da thing is P is happy he found his true lover & he's happy & if he's happy I'm happy 2. & just like 1 person said a couple posts back he's married now & it's all the past. This subject can only come up if he & Mani were 2 divorce(which I doubt that would happen).
Listenin' 2 'Cinnamon Girl'...4 some reason this song is so appropiate visitin' this particular thread. Just an FYI to ya'll.....american, Jamaican, british, etc. are NATIONALITIES and not races. So you saying you're a Black American/Jamaican doesn't tell me that you're biracial...it may suggest that you are black but youre multi "cultural". Its clear that Prince has a preference in what types of women he finds attractive. The history of the "color lines" in the black community goes back to the times of slavery where black people were separated by their color....house slaves....field slaves. Being a darker skinned black woman, I do feel that it is unforunately that darker skinned women are not deemed beautiful. I've even had black man tell me that I would look better without my locs or one time a man told me that I pretty to be so dark.
But what I find interesting is that your environment definitely creates what you see as beautiful. My daughter is very light skinned black young girl who veiws darker women as more attractive. People tell her that she looks like Lisa Raye, or Raven Symone...and yet she wishes she was darker...and I think its because of myself and my mother being darker. I tell her that its not a skin tone, type of hair texture that makes you beautiful. If you're beautiful...then you're beautiful....nappy hair, straight hair..whatever.
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SCNDLS said: chiltonmusic said: When did the new race of not fully black start? This is news to me and quite frankly it is news to this country. Historically if you black mixed with anything you were still considerd black. I guess with the advent fo Mariah Carey and Tiger Woods this became a non issue with the pop loving crowd.
I say all that to say this. It is unfair to write off Prince's affair with Vanity and Susan with the statement that 'they are not fully black.' That is foolish and until recently has never done anyone with any black heratige any good. Honestly are we supposed to look at Vanity as white now? What about Halle Berry and Alicia Keys? All of those women would tell you in a heartbeat that they are black and actually they have every chance that they have gotten. See when you have mixed ancestry life can be very confusing. Not really for you but for everyone else around you. I am not bi racial but I am close. My mom on the other hand is a healthy mix of Italian and Panamanian and looks white. In a heart beat she will tell you that she is black. Now if you want to discuss heratige she will tell you that, but for the quick answer she is black. That is how I view Vanity, Susan etc. Also I believe Mani is Itallian right? If that is the case then depending where her family is from (and from the looks of it I will say southern Italy) Mani like many Italians probably has an dark African bloodline in her. Peace I'm Panamanian too, nice to see Panama's representin' on the Org. As for this discussion, it's pointless and meaningless but understandable considering how extremely colorstruck this country's people of color are. I'm a dark-skinned, second-generation Panamanian of Jamaican descent. I lived in Panama until I was 7 and was the darkest kid on my block and in my class. But no one ever told me I was black or ugly until I came to the US. And it was always my own brothers and sisters hurling these insults. It took me a long time to find my self-esteem and confidence and realize that I'm truly beautiful. I'm not kidding, I'm fine!!! Prince even told me that one night at an aftershow
This country has a terrible history that has scarred its black people deeply and created divisions within the black community along color lines. This is evidenced by how vocal, defensive, and personal this thread has become. It's like some people are viewing Prince's preference (and I do believe he has one) as a personal attack or rejection of them. Let's all take a breath and realize that even if Prince is colorstruck (which he probably is) does that change the way you feel about him or his music??? Word! I totally agree with you. See I am on the other end of the color spectrum. I am very light skinned. So for me I have constantly heard the light skinned side of things. There is no doubt about the effect racism and slavery have had on black folk today. It is as though we ourselves are just uncomfortable with our skin color no matter if it is light or dark. I wish we could get over it. In my mind if you have a problem with dark skin chances are you have a problem with your own no matter how light or dark you are. Did you see the Chappelle's show episode with Rick James? Well to make a long story short he used to call Eddie Murphy and his brother darkness' because he thought they were so dark. No I am not doing the skit justice because the whole story is funny. But even as I laugh at that I realized Rick James has a problem with his skin color and it shows big time. Anyway I enjoyed your response and I look forward to hearing from you again in the future Peace THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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laylow03 said: VelvetJ said: I've always found it interesting the lack of black women in the Prince camps, considering black women were and still is the backbone to his success. In later years black women started to show in his projects but most of his career there was a void. Even when Under The Cherry Moon was released, I instantly found it unusual that in that particular day and time a black man shot a movie where he had control and there were on 3 black women in his movie and they all had extremely limited parts. I also always get kicks out of people that say, "oh race doesn't matter". But if Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, etc., all suddenly were single and for the next 10 years seem to only date black women, the whole world would notice. Even in the sports world, there are so many black athletes that have wives that are not black, but reverse the tables and ask how many white athletes have black wives? And when a light is shown on that fact, then suddenly race doesn't matter. *note- For the movie Passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson was to have stayed true to the Bible, which is why Jews were dipicted the way they were. But if his biggest concern was staying as accurate as can be to the Bible, then why did Jesus look European white, when the Bible does not decribe him that way. Of course when this was brought up, guess what was said.....Oh it doesn't matter about a persons race. I am a true believer that love is blind, but I think it is only natural to notice that SO MANY of Black America's "elite" have non-black, or half black wives and children when compared to the same ratio of other groups. WOW! WOW! WOW!!!! You really hit it on the nail here. As a black woman and a die-hard true to life Prince fam, let me just say that I agree with you 100%%%%!!!! I have always been bothered by the fact that Prince doesn't seem to showcase black women much throughout his career. Yet, whenever it's brought up, people say that race doesn't matter. But race DOES matter!! It will always matter as long as this is NOT a colorblind society. Yes, I don't see white men racing out to date or marry black women...not like black men chase after light-skinned, white and other non-black women. [However, I must say that many black women, including myself have been hit on my white men.] And it is true that many successful black men prefer light, white or non-black women; that's just how it is. It is ironic that with all the support black women give to P, he doesn't seem to me to be very appreciative of them as far as the women he chooses to have romantic relations with. Now, does that mean that he has a color problem? I don't know. We all know the rumors about black women that he's been associated with, but that's just it: they're all rumors, but the white women he's been romantically involved with we know all about. Just strange, really... I agree completely with your responses but I take issue with one point, that being: "I have always been bothered by the fact that Prince doesn't seem to showcase black women much throughout his career." Now this is not true. Let's be clear. Prince may not be kickin' it romantically with the darker sisters but one thing is certain, when it comes to "showcasing black women" with real talent he's always done that. Just look at Cat Glover, Bonnie Boyer, Kat Dyson, Rosie Gaines, Jevetta Steele, etc. Prince has always had sisters with real skills in his bands and on his records. Now when he wants some arm candy he sho will go with the "exotic" beauty. But he ain't that crazy. He knows that when it's time to put in some real work he can count on a sista to get it done and well! For me, one of the best things about the Emancipation period was that he had Kat Dyson, a dark sister, rocking braids playing guitar in NPG. Whaaaaat??? That was mad cool and earned him more of my respect (if that's possible). Furthermore, this whole light-skin vs. dark-skin shit is very trivial. What's more important to me is that he has always, consistently featured women in his groups in ways that no other rock/funk/r&b/any other genre group ever has before or since. Before Sheila E., could any of you imagine a woman as physically beautiful as her killing some drums the way she does. She was the best thing on that sorry-ass Divas special on VH1. From Wendy & Lisa, Sheila, Kat, Candy, to Rhonda, to me Prince has always proven his respect and admiration of ALL women regardless of COLOR in the most important way, by putting them on a stage with him which tells the world that these chicks are sooo superbad in their own right that they deserve to be on a stage with Prince. That's much more meaningful and significant to me and lots of little girls who want to play music than who he's sleeping with. | |
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