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Scary huh? Not really. I think Prince has always wanted 2 speak out on black issues but in the early days that wouldn't have sold records so he stuck 2 more light hearted stuff. This morning on Cable TV there was a crowd discussion on black musicians and the audience refused 2 accept Prince was black. 
It just makes me smile when alot of Orgers over the past few weeks have commented that Prince is getting very 'black'. He's always been black and had 2 deal with racism, predjudice and has always held his pro-black views so when U now hear him putting songs out like 'Family Name' don't think it's something new.
I myself am mixed, South Asian Indian and Caribbean black but it seems that once U have a drop of black blood the world sees U as black-unless Ur talented like Prince or Mariah Carey and then every1 wants 2 go in2 how unblack U R
4 years the West has taken people from other cultures and reinvented them 4 their own convinience 
Why is it. Alot of people will not just accept that Jesus didn't have blue eyes, there is no Santa Claus and Prince is Black.  I'm feeling you. Don't let it distress you. I have a son who has curly hair. People insist that he's mixed. Just like Prince, if your momma is black and your daddy is black, that makes you... black. Especially when other black folk act like a black person can't have curly, wavy hair or green eyes. | |
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gee whiz... i always thought that prince was albino...
what an eye opener....  Sex Kitten
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hilton02895 said:[quote] SexyBeautifulOne said: Truthfully ask the question, where would America be today had Africans never been stolen from their homeland?
Here we go again. African's were not just "stolen" from there homeland. Some were traded by African tribes for spices and such. Those that were traded were usually members of a defeated tribe that were enslaved to begin with. Secondly, not all Blacks came from Africa. There has been Black Europeans for centuries. In response to the paragraph immediately above this one: **sigh** Yes, African slavery is a long-standing tradition. However, when Europeans entered the picture they based slavery not on repayment of debts, etc. (as Africans did), but slavery became the legal destiny of Africans/African-Americans simply because they were black. Europeans turned slavery into a purely racial issue. In 1660 slavery became legal. The only requirement was that one be black. Rise up | |
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AsTrAlTrAvElInHoTtiE said:[quote] hilton02895 said: SexyBeautifulOne said: Truthfully ask the question, where would America be today had Africans never been stolen from their homeland?
Here we go again. African's were not just "stolen" from there homeland. Some were traded by African tribes for spices and such. Those that were traded were usually members of a defeated tribe that were enslaved to begin with. Secondly, not all Blacks came from Africa. There has been Black Europeans for centuries. In response to the paragraph immediately above this one: **sigh** Yes, African slavery is a long-standing tradition. However, when Europeans entered the picture they based slavery not on repayment of debts, etc. (as Africans did), but slavery became the legal destiny of Africans/African-Americans simply because they were black. Europeans turned slavery into a purely racial issue. In 1660 slavery became legal. The only requirement was that one be black. Im confused???Are you making slavery not such a big deal?  I really dont know what ur talking about...anyway,when is somebody gonna lock this?And like His promise is true
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Why should this thread be locked? We're all adults. No one's being flamed. Disagreement often is part of discussion.
Personally, I think the longtime preoccupation with Prince's ethnicity is of his doing. During the 80s and 90s, he pushed the whole images of an internationl rock star whose music was grounded in rhythm & blues, rock and jazz, and of a man who dated mostly light-skinned/tan/non-dark women. More than a few black Americans took that dating pattern --- in addition to the PR spin about him being multiracial --- to mean that Prince had some color issues of his own. The fact that his WB war prompted a reexamination of those issues seems fairly clear, coinciding with the turn his music took toward the mid- to late-1990s. His weird poem about the Moors last year further demonstrated a desire to examine history through a nonwhite framework. Again, as a result of his personal and professional lives, Prince is solely responsible for this sort of discussion and has made it --- as much as sexuality, social awareness and the music business --- central to his discussion as an artist. | |
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im curious..after reading a third of this thread i stopped because it appears that the bulk of the space on the page is taken up by a past of the original group of pictures...
is there anything worth actually reading? Space for sale... | |
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ThreadBare said: Why should this thread be locked? We're all adults. No one's being flamed. Disagreement often is part of discussion.
Personally, I think the longtime preoccupation with Prince's ethnicity is of his doing. During the 80s and 90s, he pushed the whole images of an internationl rock star whose music was grounded in rhythm & blues, rock and jazz, and of a man who dated mostly light-skinned/tan/non-dark women. More than a few black Americans took that dating pattern --- in addition to the PR spin about him being multiracial --- to mean that Prince had some color issues of his own. The fact that his WB war prompted a reexamination of those issues seems fairly clear, coinciding with the turn his music took toward the mid- to late-1990s. His weird poem about the Moors last year further demonstrated a desire to examine history through a nonwhite framework. Again, as a result of his personal and professional lives, Prince is solely responsible for this sort of discussion and has made it --- as much as sexuality, social awareness and the music business --- central to his discussion as an artist. Exactly. Prince's color issues (and they ARE issues) are so obvious that you would have to be blind not to notice. Rise up | |
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I really dont view the world as split into 2 groups black and white,more that its Greed from superpower bullies like the american government and to a lesser extent Tony Blair ,Dictating how the rest of the world should lead their lives and Dictators who are greedy and want to take over the world.
Discrimination is evident at all levels but it seems to me that the white man will always be to blame because of their past exploits of mistreating Different Races and Women but then all men treated there women badly as they continue to do in many countrys it aint just white. But then youve had discrimination against Ginger Haired People ,Fat People,People Who are Deformed,People Who Aint Blessed With Fantastic Looks and Animals that are tret like shit. When you look round the world it seems to me more like people are killing and mistreating there own more than anything else. I dont view Prince,Wesley Snipes or Tom Cruise the same as me coz they are American superstars,Tom Might be white but I have far less in common with him than any Black person in my town. When I was young I was not aware of Discrimination but you soon get put into your groups by people because it seems society prefer a us and them mentality,I say fuck them coz I aint interested. If Black and White are divided its because individuals choose it.Peace | |
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Romance1600 said: For fuck sake, do you have to quote the whole message guys - it makes it kinda difficult to read this thread when you quote giant pictures in every darn reply! I almost didn't want to quote and agree with you as long as it takes the pics to load and as slow as the site is these days. 
Back on topic, it seems to me that many (remember when you flame me that I didn't say all) Black entertainers only play the race card when their careers are taking a turn for the worse. When they're doing commercially well, it doesn't seem to be something they bring up, funny that. / [This message was edited Fri Mar 26 12:22:19 2004 by Romance1600] | |
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fauxnewbie said: He didn't prove your point at all. I wouldn't know what to call a "....." either.  Is it coloured? Black? African American? Negro? I've no idea what is the "correct" term for a whatever the correct term is. That's just fashion isn't it?
... I'm a little shocked to learn that in the 21st century, some people still don't realize terms like "colored" and "negro" are considered racist. Maybe overseas it isn't so obvious (judging by the spelling), but in the U.S., using names like that will get you in serious trouble. | |
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sextonseven said: fauxnewbie said: He didn't prove your point at all. I wouldn't know what to call a "....." either. Is it coloured? Black? African American? Negro? I've no idea what is the "correct" term for a whatever the correct term is. That's just fashion isn't it?
... I'm a little shocked to learn that in the 21st century, some people still don't realize terms like "colored" and "negro" are considered racist. Maybe overseas it isn't so obvious (judging by the spelling), but in the U.S., using names like that will get you in serious trouble. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: sextonseven said: I'm a little shocked to learn that in the 21st century, some people still don't realize terms like "colored" and "negro" are considered racist. Maybe overseas it isn't so obvious (judging by the spelling), but in the U.S., using names like that will get you in serious trouble. Ye I dont think that racism is as rife in the U.K ,well perhaps more in the bigger cities, I suppose thats why there aint a great awarness of what is deemed racist. Figure this I remember at school kids sometimes called each other Nigga they were not Black but had heard there heros Snoop Dog etc using the word affectionately ,they were not racist ,they just copied their influences,it would be a touch unfair for them to get a hiding you not think. Maybes children should should be educated on the matter. The words are only bad because of their associations with a darker times. | |
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FunnyWayOfStoppinTheJuice said: Why is it. Alot of people will not just accept that Jesus didn't have blue eyes, there is no Santa Claus and Prince is Black. THERE'S NO SANTA CLAUSE!!!?   [This message was edited Mon Mar 29 13:27:51 2004 by LittlePill]  Proud member of Prince's cult for 20 years! | |
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I'm all for calling out people who use outdated terms if they mean disrespect, but Americans have to realize that not every nationality is attuned to social nuances peculiar to the States. The world is bigger than the black American struggle, and not everyone's going to know that a label acceptable to us decades ago is no longer "in fashion" with us. I believe most folks try to be accommodating, but their confusion is more than understandable.
Heck, a lot of black Americans don't even agree on what "we" should be called: Afro-American, African-American, should there be a hyphen? Is the hyphen geographically significant? Blah blah blah.... It can be a lot of work trying to keep up!!! | |
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Coloured???? You've got to be kidding man.....read a book, newspaper, watch some TV.....ANYTHING to get you back to the 21st century.....no matter where in the world u are. That term is as tired and lame as the excuses like "white people didn't only cause blacks to be enslaved". Stuff like this is exactly why race relations are no closer to being solved that the day MLK was killed. Not one inch closer in almost a half century.....
On to the Prince & his blackness issue..... I tend to think that the non-stop furor over is music becoming (or returning to being as I see it) more black-oriented, isn't specifically a black vs white issue. It's more of a rock & roll/pop vs funk/soul issue, and unfortunately, just as the majority of America's neighborhoods, its based on the segregated nature of American culture. They have their tastes and preferences, we have ours. Seldom do the two meet. Prince is in a unique position, he's one that few black (or other minority) artists whose appeal spans cultural, racial & socio-economic lines. Herein lies the problem..... some of the white fans see him as the "rock star" from the PR days (you know the kind.....those who swear he won't make another good song until W& L are back playing with him...), and the majority of his black fans see him as the funkster/soul ballader who happens to play guitar. Personally, I thinks he's a bit of both (and more) and I'm down to see wherever his musical interests lead him. Unfortunately, there are too many vocal "so-called" fans, who immediately dismiss anything he does unless it has a blaring guitar in it. Now whether their hatred of his black-based music is founded in racism, is something that they (and God) will have to work out in their hearts. Meanwhile, I'll keep enjoying the musical journey of Prince.....and let them enjoy their 20 year old PR and W&L albums..... ______________________________________
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ThreadBare said: Why should this thread be locked? We're all adults. No one's being flamed. Disagreement often is part of discussion.
Personally, I think the longtime preoccupation with Prince's ethnicity is of his doing. During the 80s and 90s, he pushed the whole images of an internationl rock star whose music was grounded in rhythm & blues, rock and jazz, and of a man who dated mostly light-skinned/tan/non-dark women. More than a few black Americans took that dating pattern --- in addition to the PR spin about him being multiracial --- to mean that Prince had some color issues of his own. The fact that his WB war prompted a reexamination of those issues seems fairly clear, coinciding with the turn his music took toward the mid- to late-1990s. His weird poem about the Moors last year further demonstrated a desire to examine history through a nonwhite framework. Again, as a result of his personal and professional lives, Prince is solely responsible for this sort of discussion and has made it --- as much as sexuality, social awareness and the music business --- central to his discussion as an artist. It would have been awesome if Prince was dating a woman like Beyonce, brown-skinned and thick. That would have put an end to the "Prince doesn't like dark women." Instead, he stuck to the same kind of "what race is she" type of girl with Mani. So the Prince has color issues arguments go on and on and on.... | |
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Addressing how Prince has represented his own race: it's not that Prince doesn't consider himself as or hasn't presented himself as Black. It's that Prince has always wanted to be more than just Black.
The ideas that "we're all human, what does color matter, we should all get along" and "race matters as an everyday practical consideration fraught with history and blood" are both right. The former is a spiritual truth -- but can come off as very lightweight when the speaker hasn't had any experience with the latter. Say what you like about his high-minded pronouncements over the years, they don't always seem to jibe to me, but there's no question that he's quite intelligent and has a inquiring, spiritually-oriented mind. Everyone knows that he's explored femininity and androgyny in his music and fashion, but no one in their right mind who knows anything about him is going to say that he's a woman or even gay. Ditto his Blackness. I have strong feelings about gay rights, even though I'm hetero. I often think that if I were to gain the public eye somehow, and media people and such asked me if I was gay, that I would refuse to answer, simply out of solidarity with my gay loved ones, and to let those people who hate gays to suffer from the uneasiness which slowly educates them. I think that's the attitude Prince was taking when at time he didn't give straight answers about his race. Other points: - Blue, I really was thinking that you were Mariah's nephew for a minute there. It's good to know the Littles are still marching. - One thing in this thread I don't have much sympathy with is how people seem to be watching the color of the skin of whoever Prince has dated. This is such a tired old way of monitoring someone's attitude toward their own race. There may be some people out there who date the other race out of discomfort with their own, but I doubt P is one of them. Nor can you make that assumption about any couple walking down the street who don't look much alike. And ditto the business about rock vs. funk. Where's your Maggot Brain? Well before P these were not necessarily separate things. It's almost as if some feel that P feels less Black during a rock guitar solo than when he's playing chicken scratch funk stuff. As for the occasional race-oriented humor he's thrown out (the one that comes to mind is "Here's somethin' for all the white people" before the gtr solo in "U Gotta Shake Something," or also the occasional goofy white guy voices he does), this is off-the-cuff humor stuff and not to be taken as a political (much less spiritual) position. Every now and then
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FunnyWayOfStoppinTheJuice said: "1967 on a bus marked public school rode me a group of unsuspecting Political tools-Parents wondered what it'd be like 2 have another colour near..." I totally agree with your take on this matter. I remember prince's mtv/UTCM/AMERICA video world premeire interview when they compare him 2 jimi hendrix and prince replies they compare us because we are both black. And it seems that after that interveiw i noticed people/media pundits kind of rip him more often than not. It was like they were ready 2 crown him and then switched 2 U2 and madonna as being the music giants of the decade.
U know it's very easy 4 somebody (and I do mean alot of peole who have commented on this thread) to say Race and Colour don't matter probably because U don't or never had 2 deal with it. I 4 example am a self made millionaire and have been since age 24 (Im now 29) and it would be very easy 4 me 2 say that Money doesn't matter but that would be ignorant and totally insensitive 2 people not that well off. I could say it doesn't matter if Ur Muslim- Try telling that 2 the people of Palestine, Afghanistan & Iraq. I could say it doesn't matter if Ur gay and yet alot of my gay friends get alot of abuse. The truth is baby...JUST BECAUSE A PROBLEM IS NOT AFFECTING U-DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM! If we are all gonna follow prince music then we gotta recognise the message behind alot of the words. Why ignore Prince telling y'all Thomas Jefferson had slaves and shit or dissing Musicology cos it isn't Rock enough and sounds 2 James Brown
IT SEEMS ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE HAPPY TO ENJOY THE MUSIC BUT ARE UNHAPPY 2 ACKNOWLEDGE WHERE THE MUSIC'S FROM 
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jagshrapnel said: Well the old thing was, 1% black then youre 100% black - which I consider complete bullshit. My friends wife is half black and half white, she considers herself 'mixed race' not just black.
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TheBluePrince said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: wow, really? that's awesome! My granny's side, we try and keep it on the hush. People who really don't know what he stood for (especially towards the end), tend to judge you. I don't care though, I'm proud of who he was and what he did. I'll do my best to continue some of what he started. Blue  I have a friend here in Cali who is related to you... | |
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codshort said: Coloured???? You've got to be kidding man.....read a book, newspaper, watch some TV.....ANYTHING to get you back to the 21st century.....no matter where in the world u are. That term is as tired and lame as the excuses like "white people didn't only cause blacks to be enslaved". Stuff like this is exactly why race relations are no closer to being solved that the day MLK was killed. Not one inch closer in almost a half century.....
On to the Prince & his blackness issue..... I tend to think that the non-stop furor over is music becoming (or returning to being as I see it) more black-oriented, isn't specifically a black vs white issue. It's more of a rock & roll/pop vs funk/soul issue, and unfortunately, just as the majority of America's neighborhoods, its based on the segregated nature of American culture. They have their tastes and preferences, we have ours. Seldom do the two meet. Prince is in a unique position, he's one that few black (or other minority) artists whose appeal spans cultural, racial & socio-economic lines. Herein lies the problem..... some of the white fans see him as the "rock star" from the PR days (you know the kind.....those who swear he won't make another good song until W& L are back playing with him...), and the majority of his black fans see him as the funkster/soul ballader who happens to play guitar. Personally, I thinks he's a bit of both (and more) and I'm down to see wherever his musical interests lead him. Unfortunately, there are too many vocal "so-called" fans, who immediately dismiss anything he does unless it has a blaring guitar in it. Now whether their hatred of his black-based music is founded in racism, is something that they (and God) will have to work out in their hearts. Meanwhile, I'll keep enjoying the musical journey of Prince.....and let them enjoy their 20 year old PR and W&L albums..... 
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the dating of fair skinned women to the near exclusion of those who don't pass the paper bag test...that always seemed to be a little "off" to me- reminds me of intra-racism mentality that some black people used to have down in Louisiana bayou country or something  [/quote]
Maybe that's just his taste? I'm Metis (yet very, *very* white looking -i.e. lily white skin w/ freckles, blonde hair, grey eyes) and raised in a mostly white city, but I'm mainly attracted to men and women with darker complexions. Just a thought.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Is everyone one forgetting when Prince said he was Black in the 1985 Rolling Stone interview when talking about be compared to Jimmy Hendrix?
What do you think about the comparisons between you and Jimi Hendrix? It's only because he's black. That's really the only thing we have in common. He plays different guitar than I do. If they really listened to my stuff, they'd hear more of a Santana influence than Jimi Hendrix. Hendrix played more blues; Santana played prettier. You can't compare people, you really can't, unless someone is blatantly trying to rip somebody off. And you really can't tell that unless you play the songs. You've got to understand that there's only so much you can do on an electric guitar. I don't know what these people are thinking -- they're usually non-guitar-playing mamma-jammas saying this kind of stuff. There are only so many sounds a guitar can make. Lord knows I've tried to make a guitar sound like something new to myself | |
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sextonseven said: fauxnewbie said: He didn't prove your point at all. I wouldn't know what to call a "....." either. Is it coloured? Black? African American? Negro? I've no idea what is the "correct" term for a whatever the correct term is. That's just fashion isn't it?
... I'm a little shocked to learn that in the 21st century, some people still don't realize terms like "colored" and "negro" are considered racist. Maybe overseas it isn't so obvious (judging by the spelling), but in the U.S., using names like that will get you in serious trouble. Don't talk about the spelling.
Notice how the language is called "English". We let you share it, but if you start to twist it and misuse it too much we may have to make you speak Spanish or French or something. | |
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codshort said: Coloured???? You've got to be kidding man.....read a book, newspaper, watch some TV.....ANYTHING to get you back to the 21st century.....no matter where in the world u are. That term is as tired and lame as the excuses like "white people didn't only cause blacks to be enslaved". Stuff like this is exactly why race relations are no closer to being solved that the day MLK was killed. Not one inch closer in almost a half century.....
On to the Prince & his blackness issue..... I tend to think that the non-stop furor over is music becoming (or returning to being as I see it) more black-oriented, isn't specifically a black vs white issue. It's more of a rock & roll/pop vs funk/soul issue, and unfortunately, just as the majority of America's neighborhoods, its based on the segregated nature of American culture. They have their tastes and preferences, we have ours. Seldom do the two meet. Prince is in a unique position, he's one that few black (or other minority) artists whose appeal spans cultural, racial & socio-economic lines. Herein lies the problem..... some of the white fans see him as the "rock star" from the PR days (you know the kind.....those who swear he won't make another good song until W& L are back playing with him...), and the majority of his black fans see him as the funkster/soul ballader who happens to play guitar. Personally, I thinks he's a bit of both (and more) and I'm down to see wherever his musical interests lead him. Unfortunately, there are too many vocal "so-called" fans, who immediately dismiss anything he does unless it has a blaring guitar in it. Now whether their hatred of his black-based music is founded in racism, is something that they (and God) will have to work out in their hearts. Meanwhile, I'll keep enjoying the musical journey of Prince.....and let them enjoy their 20 year old PR and W&L albums..... | |
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psykosoul said: codshort said: ...
MESSAGE! 
Happy Birthday Homie, "4 Me?", Happy birthday Homie  !!!
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psykosoul said:
MESSAGE! Fuck all this race shit - Keenan is SO DAMN FINE!   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: psykosoul said:
MESSAGE! Fuck all this race shit - Keenan is SO DAMN FINE! 
No Contest!!! I'll go down on u all night long..it's Automatic 
U will ?!? 
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