These types of threads piss me off I'm afraid to say.I happen to be white and have coloured friends this type of shit is never an issue.I dont go saying things like "The Beatle are white you know" and they dont comment that Bruce Lee is Chinese every time we see him on tv etc.
I have often thought this shit was in the past but sadly it sadly seems not to be.
Maybes where I live it is not so evident and I'm really glad about it. I also thought meow85 and whodknee hit the nail on the head in there posts.Peace

richierich said:

Thanks.

meow85 said:

Your Welcome

TheBluePrince said:

I was kinda hoping Jesus was your uncle ... oh well

richierich said:

I didn't realize people still used that term.

CokeJohnson said:

You beat me to that response.

minneapolisgenius said:

I dont know If people do it aint meant to be offensive ,what term do people use

richierich said:

Boy U just proved my point

On one hand Ur saying race doesn't matter and that old chestnut 'alot of my friends are black' but on the other hand Ur still using old slavery and colonial terms long since considered offensive like referring 2 black people as 'Coloured'. 4 FUCK SAKE. Where U from boy-1927 Mississippi?

I always thought being called coloured was in the past but sadly that seems not 2 be.


I credit Prince with bringing alot of people and races 2gether but I also credit him with bringing some important issues about race 2 people who wouldn't neccessarily think about it.

Peace and be Wild

FunnyWayOfStoppinTheJuice said:

richierich said:

I ain't mad at cha

You also didnt tell me what term I should use. Its like you'd prefer the confrontation. Your derogatory post has upset by the way you attempted to turn the tables to make out that I am racist.

Sorry didnt read your last post.PEACE

i notice when prince's race

is mentioned strange comments

are said

'prince is purple'

cute

i think i understand that

what bothers me is people

who will not accept that

prince has stated that

he is a black man and like

many black americans he

has tasted discrimination

also like many black americans,

prince has overcome many road blocks

and has achieved greatness

it is important that prince goes down

in history representing who he is:

one of the world's greatest musician's

who was, is and will always be a black man

wow...
I listen and connect w/ Prince because of his music not because he is black...or not black. nobody listens to music just because the musician is black or not. they listen to music, especially Princes beacuse it is goooood music.

Yes I do agree that it is wrong to claim Prince is something that he isnt I really just think of him as a tallented person.I think its a sad with all this discrimination in the world most of its through our ancesstors but yet it seems to continue through the generations.

SexyBeautifulOne said:

Here we go again. African's were not just "stolen" from there homeland. Some were traded by African tribes for spices and such. Those that were traded were usually members of a defeated tribe that were enslaved to begin with. Secondly, not all Blacks came from Africa. There has been Black Europeans for centuries.




Yes, this country was built on the blood, sweat, and tears of many nationalities. All ethinic classes that exist with in this country has carried the brunt of racisim. And today, they still do. The difference between Blacks and the others are the obvious pigment difference. Yet, alot of the other ethnic groups that came over as "slaves" were due to outstanding debt. They toiled for seven to ten years, and obtained their freedom. African slaves were property. They were traded for fabrics, spices, and jewelry. So, long and short, what race did not build America.



No. We all did the work.



Yes. But women were treated as seconded class citizens. Homosexuals are treated as a subspecies. Criminals are no longer deemed as humans. Blacks treat other blacks with such disdain due to sexual orientation, economic statue, and personal opinion. But this is in every ethenic class. So, I ask: are you treating yourself as a second class citizen?



Oh, yes. Racisim is still rampant in this country. But you must not view it with such a narrow scope. Racisim is all encomposing. There is racisim amongst whites against those who have blonde hair and blue eyes. Some blacks are racisit towards fair skin (red bone) complexions. Alot of Americians hold racial hatred towards Middle Easterners.

I can only suggest you take a moment and look at the REAl his-story. You'll see the truth...

that is ONE beautiful sexy man right there!!!!!














































.....NOT!!!!!

FunnyWayOfStoppinTheJuice said:

Amen

FunnyWayOfStoppinTheJuice said:

...

He didn't prove your point at all. I wouldn't know what to call a "....." either. Is it coloured? Black? African American? Negro? I've no idea what is the "correct" term for a whatever the correct term is. That's just fashion isn't it? What would make "coloured" any less acceptable than "black"? If it makes you happy let me know what you think I should call you and then I'll use that. How ridiculous.

"Black" is the term I use if ever, if only because that just seems to be the one I've grown up knowing. Good as any right? Pardon my ignorance. Ultimately it's quite rare that I ever use the term because I tend to call people by their names.

I've found that, amazingly, black people have names too. Who'da thunk it? So we don't have to bother with these terms after all. Glad that's sorted out. Now we can get on with the important things in life, like loving people, taking care of ourselves, our families and the people we meet, and listening to funky music that makes us feel good.

Perhaps the reason this orger used the word "coloured" and supposedly proved your point, whatever it was, is because they do have such friends (you know the ones) and never really think about it too much, and instead naturally call people by their names. I think they could be forgiven for using the wrong term if the whole idea of using a term for a type of people in this way was somewhat alien to them.

What are you???

...

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

What's that, 23 years of wisdom coming at me? I used to think like a lot of you. I've found life's a lot easier if you don't try to fit yourself into one group at the exclusion of others. Black people treat eachother just as poorly as non-blacks do. As for Prince's ethnicity I'm just calling it as it is. Just because some European guy decided that if you have any African in you you're black only doesn't make it right. When I look at my own parents I can't lie and say I'm as "black" or African as my father. That's not a good or a bad thing so I'm not running from anything. I take great pride in my African heritage, probably more than my European and Choctaw ones due to my circumstances here in America. I don't feel a need to associate with particularly people to validate myself.

If you look at the big picture you realize it doesn't matter because race will be obsolete and despite everybody's resistance it is becoming moreso everyday. I'm more concerned with spiritual matters. That's what Prince's appeal to me is. On some level he understood these things. When we feel hurt we run to the comfort of fitting in like high schoolers but I'm not wounded by non-acceptance because I'm not looking for it.

fauxnewbie said:

Thanks you are right in what you say. I asked my sister and boyfriend what they called people of a different ethnicity to ourselves ,she said that she says black, But she said that she only gained this knowledge from college when in a class a teacher asked the same queasion ,she said that basicly the whole class said coloured,the teacher told them that she had a Black husband and that it was prefered to say Black, so I aint alone. When i was younger I told not to say Black.

RACISM BLOWS!!!!!



(my intelligent reply for today)

When I watched Purple Rain I got the idea that he was mixed...than I saw his mother and father and thought he was black.I dont know what I think but I'm leaning towards hes BLACK.Black is beautiful and people seem 2 4get that black people are not just 1 shade and that they all dont have the same ANYTHING...but I think that people seem 2 make
Prince what they are so that they can have something in common with someone they love.I dont think people say Prince is white because they dont want him 2 be black but so that they can identify with him more.I also think that Black people might not except him because of him not bluntly stepping up and saying..."no,I am black" when people make jokes about his background,and some people really dont know what he is.
I'm black and Indian and I consider myself both.Now,black people except me more than my Indian side does but I dont think less of myself.If someone were 2 ask me if I was black I'd say yeah and Indian...

That's funny my reply didn't show up. More thing's that make you hmmmm.
[This message was edited Sat Mar 27 13:11:06 2004 by SexyBeautifulOne]

FunnyWayOfStoppinTheJuice said:

Oh come on, now...give us all a god-bleepin' break here. I'm white (not that it matters at all, but you've clearly wanted this thread to be about people identifying themselves as One group or Another) and the VAST VAST VAST majority of music I listen to is by black artists...Prince, N*E*R*D, D'Angelo, Angie Stone, Erykah Badu, Outkast, ODB, Chaka, Digital Underground, et cetera.

It just really bothers me that apparently a lot of people still believe you can judge an entire group of millions upon millions of people based on a few people you've come into contact with, what yer daddy told about a few people he came into contact with, or that you've seen in movies.

I love Parliament and Funkadelic. I adore Al Green. I love Screamin' Jay Hawkins fer Chrissakes!!!

It's disheartening that this is the second time in the last 6 hours or so that I've had to post on a thread in here because I was so bothered by the posters putting everyone in a box. We're all Prince fans, okay? The rules can be fucking broken! Black men aren't supposed to wear lace panties and high heels and makeup, okay? But Prince did/does that shit ANYdamnway...so this whole white people music vs. black people music is just ignorant, really. I don't mean to be rude, but I've been watching Season 1 of Chappelle's show, and so my standards are set high for flippant yet profound explorations of race relations.

sumtymes said:

Agreed!!!
For me, the only thing that EVER bothers me is when he said things like how black people supposedly understood him better and never stopped calling him Prince so that's why he went back - um, jackass, you insisted people call you a symbol...I'd say that it's a sign of respect to not call you Prince at that point!" - I don't know. There have been a couple things here and there that make me feel excluded, and that was NEVER EVER EVER the case before 1994 or so. For example, "Style - when all black men are free." - Um, hmm. Why not "when all men are free?" Trust me, there are men of ALL colors who are in a variety of different bonds in this world.
But I LOVE when he talks about his black heritage...Sacrifice of Victor is one of my favorite songs ever for that reason...."Our parents wondered what it was like to have another color near, so they put their babies together to eliminate their fear!" - man, that's intense.
And the "Abraham Lincoln was a racist" line gives me goosebumps....because of course he WAS, that's just the point. By today's standards he'd be a KKK grand baboon or whatever they're called.
If my last name had been Rosenbloom or some shit...I might have been so hurt as to stop listening to Prince altogether...I think that whole thing was such a low blow....I'm going to investigate my culture and at the same time shit on yours!!!!

I'll tell you what's scary:

THAT MICHAEL JACKSON'S PIC!!!!!




Peace.-

J319.-

theblueangel said:

many misunderstood the symbol

instead of trying 2 understand

his struggle with w b, some made crude jokes

most black people said: my brother's going through

something and he will always be prince 2 us

why is it that when a black man embraces

his culture some feel threatened?

knowledge of one's heritage

is self empowering

the term 'black' represents more

than a color, it represents pride

prince has been called: his royal badness

most agreed with that title

2 understand the royalty in his blackness

would be a more complete understanding of him

Sueme said:

I agree. I remember seeing something on TV with him once whem my granny was still alive, and she basically chalked it up to him being what old southern black people call "colorstruck"...she was looking at that Tv screen like "Chile, please, I grew up in an era when one's very survival could depend on whether or not they could PASS...you ain't foolin' nobody over 60 with that mess"...

When you see the photos of his parents and siblings, though, and move beyond the fact that his hair is relaxed to death, as a Black American you can pretty much figure out he's black (when I used to see pictures of his mom I thought she looked like Patti Austin). And I also agree that he is very much responsible for this kind of misinterpretation of what he's supposed to "be", because he has through the years appeared to go through stages where he was fascinated with other cultures, and it would totally manifest itself in his work (a lá the white mother in Purple Rain, or trying to pass Mayte off as Middle Eastern royalty in some of his stranger video/movies/performances). It had gotten to the point in the 90's that some fans were swearing up and down that the man was Turkish! I've always wondered why he' s chosen to do these kinds of things through the years, I mean, you would never think that he's ashamed to be black really, but...the trying on of different cultural personas, the dating of fair skinned women to the near exclusion of those who don't pass the paper bag test...that always seemed to be a little "off" to me- reminds me of intra-racism mentality that some black people used to have down in Louisiana bayou country or something