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Reply #60 posted 03/25/04 11:55am

Novabreaker

Actually I can freely be called "hater" as I happen to own a t-shirt that says "HATE" with big red letters on it. I think that's a pretty valid definition for me then.

Are you silly cods happy now?
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Reply #61 posted 03/25/04 11:56am

BlackandRising

alexnvrmnd said:

How is it that everyone is super negative or "haters" JUST because they say they don't like Musicology??!?! In my OPINION, the song royally sucks!! The video looks very professional, yes. I just wish it had a great song to go along with it, too! But from what I've mainly heard or read, most people are commenting on this one song and it's possible effects on the impact of this recent media blitz and his record sales. If he wants to capture people's attention again and KEEP it, most of us have a hard time believing it'll happen due to the lack of melody, and whatever else is missing and, again, is my OPINION.

And for those of us who don't care what he does on the charts and just want great music period, we're partially let down because we hope this isn't an omen for the rest of the album! But, we understand that it's only one song. And it appears that MOST people here comment on JUST the song itself, not "boldly" predicting the whole album will be utterly disgusting. Yeah, I'm sure one or two have gone out on a limb and made predictions, but most of us have not. And it could be that those who have have already heard the majority of this album in some form or fashion. But, we're only talking about shit that we've ALREADY heard!!!!! We ain't talking about anything that won't be out for months/years or some shit.

So, what I'm trying to say is we're mostly talking about what we've heard and discussing how we feel about it. Are we "hatin'" on it or him just because we disagree with your opinions?? Just because we weren't moved by what we've heard like you and some others may have been? That's ridiculous for even suggesting that!! If you truly feel like most of us are that negative, just like you told your girlfriend, maybe you should "cut" us because that last thing we want to do is to "bring you down"!! rolleyes




Now, see how emotional you're getting here? This is exactly what I'm talking about. IF you had read my posts sans the emotional outburst, I was asking how one can be critical of something one has not really had a chance to absorb. I said nothing about disagreeing with my opinions. But I did say that, in general, some of you are generally negative. Period. And I'm simply curious as to why. Another question I pose to you specifically...are you always this emotional in your posts, when responding to a pretty straight-forward question? If you are, then please go get laid.
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Reply #62 posted 03/25/04 12:01pm

TheFrog

Novabreaker said:

Actually I can freely be called "hater" as I happen to own a t-shirt that says "HATE" with big red letters on it. I think that's a pretty valid definition for me then.

Are you silly cods happy now?


No man, you have to not only acknowledge that you are a hater, but leave the org, renounce any interest you have in Prince and wear a paper bag over your head for the rest of your life. After all, you're only mid-20s.


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Reply #63 posted 03/25/04 12:20pm

blackwell1

I feel you, black.
Some folks are indeed simply haters. They would critique the way in which Jesus walked on water. "Why didn't he do the moonwalk or spin at the end of it," they'd say? (Not that Prince has done the musical equivalent of walkin on water, I'm just sayin' lol)
Others genuinely love his "body of work'' and want more great stuff but don't know how to express their excitement and anticipation. It's like they're fatalistic - "I'll trash whatever songs I hear or have heard about the new CD so I won't be so disappointed if it actually turns out to be bad."
That's prejudging negativity, and it's kinda weak.
(I'm not sure how this new one will turn out either. I ain't worried though 'cause I know it will be worth listening to. They always are.)
But some are so proud of their "Hey,-I'm-going-against-the-grain-and-I-don't-care,-look-at-me!-Whee! attitude that they don't realize how much that says about them.
They should wait till the hear it before giving such a final-sounding judgment.
Not all of Prince's songs are Grammy-worthy, of course. But I like most of what he does, yes. But when he's not great, it's not the end of the world.
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Reply #64 posted 03/25/04 12:26pm

blackwell1

I feel you, black.
Some folks are indeed simply haters. They would critique the way in which Jesus walked on water. "Why didn't he do the moonwalk or spin at the end of it," they'd say? (Not that Prince has done the musical equivalent of walkin on water, I'm just sayin' lol)
Others genuinely love his "body of work'' and want more great stuff but don't know how to express their excitement and anticipation. It's like they're fatalistic - "I'll trash whatever songs I hear or have heard about the new CD so I won't be so disappointed if it actually turns out to be bad."
That's prejudging negativity, and it's kinda weak.
(I'm not sure how this new one will turn out either. I ain't worried though 'cause I know it will be worth listening to. They always are.)
But some are so proud of their "Hey,-I'm-going-against-the-grain-and-I-don't-care,-look-at-me!-Whee! attitude that they don't realize how much that says about them.
They should wait till the hear it before giving such a final-sounding judgment.
Not all of Prince's songs are Grammy-worthy, of course. But I like most of what he does, yes. But when he's not great, it's not the end of the world.
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Reply #65 posted 03/25/04 12:35pm

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You gotta understand that for some people, talking bad about Prince is like talking bad about a member of their immediate family. They love him so much that they have to lash out in venomous fury when Prince isn't praised.
Believe me, I know. It's a sad, immature thing and I have been on the business end of it when I got critical. I just wish both sides could respect each others' opinions and agree to disagree. Instead of, you know, endless refrains of this in a half dozen different threads.

And hater? Is the most pointless epithet ever. Basically it means, "Someone who refuses to bow to my superior world-view".
You better wake up, Stella. This is my town!
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Reply #66 posted 03/25/04 12:43pm

alexnvrmnd

BlackandRising said:

alexnvrmnd said:

How is it that everyone is super negative or "haters" JUST because they say they don't like Musicology??!?! In my OPINION, the song royally sucks!! The video looks very professional, yes. I just wish it had a great song to go along with it, too! But from what I've mainly heard or read, most people are commenting on this one song and it's possible effects on the impact of this recent media blitz and his record sales. If he wants to capture people's attention again and KEEP it, most of us have a hard time believing it'll happen due to the lack of melody, and whatever else is missing and, again, is my OPINION.

And for those of us who don't care what he does on the charts and just want great music period, we're partially let down because we hope this isn't an omen for the rest of the album! But, we understand that it's only one song. And it appears that MOST people here comment on JUST the song itself, not "boldly" predicting the whole album will be utterly disgusting. Yeah, I'm sure one or two have gone out on a limb and made predictions, but most of us have not. And it could be that those who have have already heard the majority of this album in some form or fashion. But, we're only talking about shit that we've ALREADY heard!!!!! We ain't talking about anything that won't be out for months/years or some shit.

So, what I'm trying to say is we're mostly talking about what we've heard and discussing how we feel about it. Are we "hatin'" on it or him just because we disagree with your opinions?? Just because we weren't moved by what we've heard like you and some others may have been? That's ridiculous for even suggesting that!! If you truly feel like most of us are that negative, just like you told your girlfriend, maybe you should "cut" us because that last thing we want to do is to "bring you down"!! rolleyes




Now, see how emotional you're getting here? This is exactly what I'm talking about. IF you had read my posts sans the emotional outburst, I was asking how one can be critical of something one has not really had a chance to absorb. I said nothing about disagreeing with my opinions. But I did say that, in general, some of you are generally negative. Period. And I'm simply curious as to why. Another question I pose to you specifically...are you always this emotional in your posts, when responding to a pretty straight-forward question? If you are, then please go get laid.

Man, if you thought THAT was emotional, you might not want to stick around for when I actually am emotional! That shit's just me in normal conversation tone. And if YOU took the time to "absorb" my post, you'd see that a LOT of us have already had a chance to absorb this one song (just how long do you think it takes to absorb something??; most of us have heard most of the tune a month ago), and we're just expressing our opinions on it. And why must those who don't really care for it be called a "hater" just for feeling that way?? Just because it's negative (which must obviously disagree with your opinion on the song or you wouldn't feel like a lot of us are "haters")?
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Reply #67 posted 03/25/04 1:06pm

marcdeondotcom

BlackandRising said:

Romance1600 said:

3 tracks from the new album are widely circulating. Plus a couple more live versions of other tracks.

I think people are giving their opinions vased on these tracks, which I think is fair enough.

My personal opinion is that this album will be another exercise in treading water for Prince, and another disappointment for fans who enjoy Prince at his most daring.

I'll be ecstatic if I'm wrong, but somehow I don't see that happening - most fans speak with experience, and that experience is coloured with a long-held, and deep rooted loyalty - don't forget that, we all are here chatting about Prince because we dig his music - but that doesn't mean we like everything he does blindly.


Speaking of SOTT, I remember when it came out. I remember being disappointed after the first run-thru, because I was expecting another Parade, PR, etc. I longed for that nasty funk of Lady Cab Driver, the b-side surprises, etc. But, after listening to it for a few weeks, I had a moment of clarity; I realized that this man's musical mind was evolving, and I would never hear what I wanted to hear again, or at least in new tracks. And, I came to understand the brilliance of SOTT. So I know what you're saying about the first few tracks, but this isn't enough to truly analyze anything, especially if you're going to give a "critical" opinion.


SOTT blew me away immediately. The studio version of Musicology sounds like he pulled out some Madhouse tracks, mixed & matched and then threw down some vocals. Being that I absolutely loved TRC and N.E.W.S. chance are that I won't be into this outing.
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Reply #68 posted 03/25/04 1:43pm

BlackandRising

alexnvrmnd said:

BlackandRising said:





Now, see how emotional you're getting here? This is exactly what I'm talking about. IF you had read my posts sans the emotional outburst, I was asking how one can be critical of something one has not really had a chance to absorb. I said nothing about disagreeing with my opinions. But I did say that, in general, some of you are generally negative. Period. And I'm simply curious as to why. Another question I pose to you specifically...are you always this emotional in your posts, when responding to a pretty straight-forward question? If you are, then please go get laid.

Man, if you thought THAT was emotional, you might not want to stick around for when I actually am emotional! That shit's just me in normal conversation tone. And if YOU took the time to "absorb" my post, you'd see that a LOT of us have already had a chance to absorb this one song (just how long do you think it takes to absorb something??; most of us have heard most of the tune a month ago), and we're just expressing our opinions on it. And why must those who don't really care for it be called a "hater" just for feeling that way?? Just because it's negative (which must obviously disagree with your opinion on the song or you wouldn't feel like a lot of us are "haters")?


lol lol Then, maybe you should ask your doctor about Paxil. Again, my point is, this is a CD. A complete package of music. Knowing Prince, there is usually a theme in his CD's. So again, I say that passing judgement on that theme is kind of premature before you've heard it all. And I know none of us has heard it all. It's starting to look like some of you are highly sensitive individuals, and took me using the word "haters" personally. You know what a psychiatrist would say about that. But, I digress. Another thing that has me perplexed about these sites, P.org in particular, is that, knowing that most of us are older, I would think that the maturity level would be a little higher. On the contrary, P.org seems fairly immature, especially when someone asks a question like this. It seems to hit a nerve. Why is that? Are Prince fans just typically overly sensitive by nature?
But I do thank those of you that posted thoughtfully, even though I may not agree with all of you.
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Reply #69 posted 03/25/04 1:59pm

TheOrgerFormer
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BlackandRising said:

alexnvrmnd said:


Man, if you thought THAT was emotional, you might not want to stick around for when I actually am emotional! That shit's just me in normal conversation tone. And if YOU took the time to "absorb" my post, you'd see that a LOT of us have already had a chance to absorb this one song (just how long do you think it takes to absorb something??; most of us have heard most of the tune a month ago), and we're just expressing our opinions on it. And why must those who don't really care for it be called a "hater" just for feeling that way?? Just because it's negative (which must obviously disagree with your opinion on the song or you wouldn't feel like a lot of us are "haters")?


lol lol Then, maybe you should ask your doctor about Paxil. Again, my point is, this is a CD. A complete package of music. Knowing Prince, there is usually a theme in his CD's. So again, I say that passing judgement on that theme is kind of premature before you've heard it all. And I know none of us has heard it all. It's starting to look like some of you are highly sensitive individuals, and took me using the word "haters" personally. You know what a psychiatrist would say about that. But, I digress. Another thing that has me perplexed about these sites, P.org in particular, is that, knowing that most of us are older, I would think that the maturity level would be a little higher. On the contrary, P.org seems fairly immature, especially when someone asks a question like this. It seems to hit a nerve. Why is that? Are Prince fans just typically overly sensitive by nature?
But I do thank those of you that posted thoughtfully, even though I may not agree with all of you.
lol Maturity? We're the biggest bunch of spoiled brats I've ever seen.
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Reply #70 posted 03/25/04 11:16pm

NPGman

blackwell1 said:

I feel you, black.
Some folks are indeed simply haters. They would critique the way in which Jesus walked on water. "Why didn't he do the moonwalk or spin at the end of it," they'd say? (Not that Prince has done the musical equivalent of walkin on water, I'm just sayin' lol)
Others genuinely love his "body of work'' and want more great stuff but don't know how to express their excitement and anticipation. It's like they're fatalistic - "I'll trash whatever songs I hear or have heard about the new CD so I won't be so disappointed if it actually turns out to be bad."
That's prejudging negativity, and it's kinda weak.
(I'm not sure how this new one will turn out either. I ain't worried though 'cause I know it will be worth listening to. They always are.)
But some are so proud of their "Hey,-I'm-going-against-the-grain-and-I-don't-care,-look-at-me!-Whee! attitude that they don't realize how much that says about them.
They should wait till the hear it before giving such a final-sounding judgment.
Not all of Prince's songs are Grammy-worthy, of course. But I like most of what he does, yes. But when he's not great, it's not the end of the world.


Amen Blackwell!!!!

At least let the CD come out before declaring it a flop. One set of peeps saying that the music is subpar, another set saying that he cant possibly sell-out the venues on the tour and P is "washed" up. All these peeps, will be the first in line at the concerts buying t-shirts, and putting their lighters in the air to Purple Rain. The thing that gets me about "everyone's" opinion is that.....all can voice what you want, no probs!!! But, why take your time and come into a Prince website and bash ANYTHING that he CHOOSES to share with YOU??? If you dont like it, then DONT BUY IT!!! Obviously, your monkey-asses have been around EVERYTIME new music comes out AND you are here ONCE AGAIN. P doesnt owe anybody ANYTHING, nor does he give a shit of what the "haters" out there say about his music. How many of you "haters" disliked ATWIAD, but now you swear that its one of his best albums to date?? Check yo self, and accept the FUNK as it is offered. OUT!!!
bored
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Reply #71 posted 03/25/04 11:21pm

NPGman

scififilmnerd said:

NPGman said:

You haters are too much!!!!
brick


You're the one throwing the brick. lol


Its a "hater" brick. Hope it didnt hurt too much SciFi!!!!! LOL.....
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Reply #72 posted 03/25/04 11:36pm

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I'm gonna shoot myself in the goddamn face if you all don't pipe the fuck down.

Wack&Fantasizing is too mature for me. I'm gonna take my toys elsewhere, so ask your psychiatrist what they think about that. But I digress.
No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.

Sex is not love. Love is not sex. Putting words in other people's mouths will only get you elected.

Need more sleep than coke or methamphetamine.
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Reply #73 posted 03/25/04 11:53pm

SENSHY

BlackandRising said:

alexnvrmnd said:


Man, if you thought THAT was emotional, you might not want to stick around for when I actually am emotional! That shit's just me in normal conversation tone. And if YOU took the time to "absorb" my post, you'd see that a LOT of us have already had a chance to absorb this one song (just how long do you think it takes to absorb something??; most of us have heard most of the tune a month ago), and we're just expressing our opinions on it. And why must those who don't really care for it be called a "hater" just for feeling that way?? Just because it's negative (which must obviously disagree with your opinion on the song or you wouldn't feel like a lot of us are "haters")?


lol lol Then, maybe you should ask your doctor about Paxil. Again, my point is, this is a CD. A complete package of music. Knowing Prince, there is usually a theme in his CD's. So again, I say that passing judgement on that theme is kind of premature before you've heard it all. And I know none of us has heard it all. It's starting to look like some of you are highly sensitive individuals, and took me using the word "haters" personally. You know what a psychiatrist would say about that. But, I digress. Another thing that has me perplexed about these sites, P.org in particular, is that, knowing that most of us are older, I would think that the maturity level would be a little higher. On the contrary, P.org seems fairly immature, especially when someone asks a question like this. It seems to hit a nerve. Why is that? Are Prince fans just typically overly sensitive by nature?
But I do thank those of you that posted thoughtfully, even though I may not agree with all of you.


Hey BnR, remember the maturity level in amp back in the day lol

good/bad times
Oh my, oh my.
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Reply #74 posted 03/25/04 11:54pm

SENSHY

theblueangel said:

if you all don't pipe the fuck down. .


lol
Oh my, oh my.
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Reply #75 posted 03/26/04 12:38am

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Bull...i think with ur remarks about romance1600 u have shown to be quite a negative person urself...
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Reply #76 posted 03/26/04 1:01am

scififilmnerd

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NPGman said:

Its a "hater" brick.


I know. That was my point. rolleyes
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Reply #77 posted 03/26/04 9:42am

BlackandRising

SENSHY said:

BlackandRising said:



lol lol Then, maybe you should ask your doctor about Paxil. Again, my point is, this is a CD. A complete package of music. Knowing Prince, there is usually a theme in his CD's. So again, I say that passing judgement on that theme is kind of premature before you've heard it all. And I know none of us has heard it all. It's starting to look like some of you are highly sensitive individuals, and took me using the word "haters" personally. You know what a psychiatrist would say about that. But, I digress. Another thing that has me perplexed about these sites, P.org in particular, is that, knowing that most of us are older, I would think that the maturity level would be a little higher. On the contrary, P.org seems fairly immature, especially when someone asks a question like this. It seems to hit a nerve. Why is that? Are Prince fans just typically overly sensitive by nature?
But I do thank those of you that posted thoughtfully, even though I may not agree with all of you.


Hey BnR, remember the maturity level in amp back in the day lol

good/bad times


LOL yeah I do.....I still pop over there to read it, but posting is an exercise in futility. I can't believe no one over there has changed in years.
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Reply #78 posted 03/26/04 9:48am

BlackandRising

theblueangel said:

I'm gonna shoot myself in the goddamn face if you all don't pipe the fuck down.

Wack&Fantasizing is too mature for me. I'm gonna take my toys elsewhere, so ask your psychiatrist what they think about that. But I digress.



LOL at least I can tell that you read the post! Good on ya!
Oh, and make sure you aren't closing your eyes when you pull the trigger, or you might miss.
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Reply #79 posted 03/26/04 1:17pm

NPGman

scififilmnerd said:

NPGman said:

Its a "hater" brick.


I know. That was my point. rolleyes


I know. My point was that I hope it didnt hurt too much as it hit your "hater" head. Is this too much much for your simple mind to follow?
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Reply #80 posted 03/26/04 3:06pm

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I find that there are four types of fans in this world: (1)Those who hate change, (2) those who love change and see it as new, exciting, and adventerous, (3) those who eat, sleep, and breath their favorite celebrity and don't care if they change because they feel that their idols can do no wrong, and (4) those who are in the middle and don't care as long as the change is not boring, weak, and/or worse than the original. I feel that I fit into the number four category, because I have a majority of Prince's albums and I like at least one song on all of them. I can't say I hate an album if I like at least one or more songs, but some people can (category 1's) and some people love the artist no matter if the album doesn't have any songs they like (category 3's, who really scare me by the way...can we say "obsessed psycho" confused ) There are soo many different Prince personas, that you either pick one that you like, like them all, accept them all, or just don't care so long as the man keeps making some music and rockin out on his guitar. I don't think "Musicology" will flop with Prince fans, but if you see what artists are at the top of the charts nowadays, it will not be a success, because Prince is a little too deep for the minds of today's sheeple...err, I mean the general public. I like what I've heard of "Musicology", but my favorite Prince persona was during his prince days. The "Preacher Prince", as I personally refer to him, is not better than "prince", but I like him a little more than "I want to fuck the taste out of your mouth" Prince (that one was kinda scary to me). So, I don't think anyone here is negative. They just love old Prince and don't particularly care for change....whatever floats your boat is what I always say. biggrin
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Reply #81 posted 03/26/04 3:40pm

ian

EvilWhiteMale said:

ian said:



No. Sorry.



For real. In fact it's bizzare to assume the song will do well, because it's really terrible. It may however make the top 10 most boring and shity songs of the year. And if you think the video will bring the people in, then.....evillol



P.S. The Dark Lord Satan fuels my negativity machine.


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Reply #82 posted 03/26/04 5:24pm

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Negative is just that.
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if the music's good... all else will follow
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Reply #83 posted 03/26/04 5:27pm

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From what I've read in the past few days, I've noticed this much. Everyone seems passionate about their views on this song. The only difference is that the haters are more vocal about it. There's nothing wrong with a good debate but I feel as though it seems to always go off on a tangent and that's when it goes wrong and that seems to happen constantly with Musicology being the best example of that. We need to just respect each others views whether we agree with them or not. This place would be more fun if we could do that (not that it isn't already biggrin ).

Peace!
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Reply #84 posted 03/26/04 6:31pm

NPGman

estelle1981 said:

but my favorite Prince persona was during his prince days. biggrin


Get Wild Estelle.....you are a fan that I want to party with!!!!!
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Reply #85 posted 03/26/04 7:26pm

whodknee

BlackandRising is right. I'm gonna have to change my sig because the people here are rubbing off on me. I'll be the first one to say that Musicology doesn't do it for me and it won't be a hit, but that doesn't mean the album will suck. That's like hearing Do U Lie and writing off Parade.

If Prince needs to make New Power Soul to get to TRC or N.E.W.S. to get to.....? then I'm more than willing to wait without disrespecting the man. He hasn't done anything to me. If he never makes a song I like again I'll survive.

The funny thing is I often agree with EWM just not the way he says things. Atleast he's entertaining whereas other negative people are just boring -- you know who you are. wink

About those haters-- I guess misery loves company as they say.
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Reply #86 posted 03/27/04 1:07pm

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ian said:

EvilWhiteMale said:




For real. In fact it's bizzare to assume the song will do well, because it's really terrible. It may however make the top 10 most boring and shity songs of the year. And if you think the video will bring the people in, then.....evillol



P.S. The Dark Lord Satan fuels my negativity machine.


clapping I knew it was fuelled by somethin! falloff



But of course.

P.S. Hail Satan!
"You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "

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