I'ma take a wait and see attitude.

In today's world, (thanks to the internet) we have so much access to shit we never could have dreamed of. The downloads and sharing of an album not even out yet is truly amazing. There's good and bad in that.

I too have checked out what's been available to me... but, I prefer listening to the album as a whole when released. I still have high hopes... (glass half full kinda guy) for what Prince releases.

I can't wait... but will.

BlackAndRising, too much negativity in your post, sorry

BlackandRising said:

I feel you BlackandRising. I don't understand it myself. But, those who want to be negative will get themselves agitated because of their expectations. Those of us who take a wait and see attitude, I think, usually end up pleasantly surprised. I've been extremely happy with Prince's output. But to accuse him of treading water, is a real reflection on the individual who made this statement. Prince has never stayed still or gone backwards. Let them upset themselves over this. We can keep our peace of mind and enjoy the music for what it is, not what we want it to be.

Romance1600 said:[quote] most fans speak with experience...


As if they know and have seen it all....
[This message was edited Thu Mar 25 5:56:48 2004 by klaatu]

People have different opinions. They're not right or wrong, they're just opinions.

Seeing the world in terms of "haters" and "fans" is just stupid.

Supernova said:

I agree with what you said about the work, and perhaps as applied to Musicology... I was even a tiny bit embarassed about him singing about preaching, and I'm a JW! But with the rest of the album, it makes perfect sense.

Let's all wait til the album comes out to pass final judgement, folks§

Let me just offer my perspective on this issue. I don't think it's the case that you can say that people here are hatin' on Musicology because they're inherently negative. Let's face it, those of us who have followed Prince music since the beginning (and even those who picked up in the mid-to-late 80s) have been spoiled by the incredible quality of music that he has produced. Lyrically and musically, his talents are unparalleled. So when I, for one, hear a track like "Musicology", I'm just disappointed - not because I'm always negative and am simply looking for reasons to criticize. We have high expectations here because of what we've been exposed to in the past. And no, this is not to say that I want a carbon copy of 1999 or Sign O' the Times or any of the music from the period 83-87. Personally, I hope this new album - and subsequent ones - are off the chain in terms of both quality and commercial success. I really don't care about the latter, but it'd be nice to see our boy get to the top again (even though he says he doesn't care about that).

The great thing about a forum like this is that it's a place where people can discuss (and agree or disagree) about various questions surrounding Prince's music. This is not a place for conformity; we're not here to lap up everything that Prince does and declare it a masterpiece. It seems that there are some here who think that everything Prince touches turns to gold, or every song he writes is the best song written to date. Hey, we have a right to be critical if we so choose.

So just keep in mind that this is a forum for expressing ideas, whether they're consistent with what you believe or not. I respect your opinion and I would hope that you guys would respect mine, even if I seem - in your view - to go over the edge at times.

Just a thought.....his first words.

For You

All of this and more is 4 U
With love, sincerity and deepest care
My life with U, with U, I share

© 1978 Ecnirp Music Inc. - BMI

Those who don't think Musicology the single will be a hit are in for a shock. I've said on a few threads now - this is going to be top 10 easy. Funky song, cool video.

As for the album, I learned a long time that with Prince, what I think about an album or song the first few listens and what I think about it a couple of weeks later or even month/years later are vastly different. Yet here people are criticizing an album they haven't even heard all the way through once. I agree with the first poster, at least get the album first.
[This message was edited Thu Mar 25 8:16:00 2004 by alandail]

Just simply saying "musicology will flop" will no doubt cause some people to tweak. Maybe something a little more specific like "I'm not looking forward to this album based on the 3 songs from it I heard so far..."

You guys would be really suprised to know that the positive comments here do affect people. I am a better person in my real life because of the people I've met from the Org. I will never understand why folks get upset at the negative people and comments on the Org. That's them, not you. It does not make you less a Prince fan because of what someone else said. Prince couldn't care less about it. If you feel someone is just be negative, counter it with something positive and not a negative response back.

I've been preaching about the negativeness here for a while. Certain people are almost always negative (romance, ewm, scifi, that bart guy). If u see there name it is almost always followed by words such as shit, crap, ex-genius, treading water, etc. I don't understand the desire to "shit" on everybody else's good time. It's like going to a party and complaining endlessly about how much it sucks and yet u remain there. I myself have heard/seen musicology a few times. At this point I don't view it has Prince's finest moment but it certainly isn't trash. There is know way no matter how good Prince music is now or in the future that he can top what has come before. Not because it isn't good but because we have 100s and 100s of his songs to compare them too. U can't recreate the wheel. Everything he does from here out will contain something we've already heard from him. He's not fresh anymore and neither are our ears. But u know what? this has been a hell of good time this year (2004). And i'm enjoying every head-nodding moment. Those who are mired in their own negativeness or the losers.

The fact that I don't like a certain song doesn't qualify you to label me as a negative personality.


And on a further note:

I'm not terribly old - just in my mid-20s - but I think these years have thought me that anyone who has an issue with other people's "negativity" are always openly rude and inconsiderate in their day-to-day social existence. It happens on a level they are not usually even aware of, but is nevertheless very impolite.

You are basically trying to make all us "negative people" feel bad about our personalities by being very judgemental, mainly because we just don't agree with you. That's very childish, I'm sorry. It wasn't me who jumpstarted a thread on how all these Musicology lovin' people are brainless idiots and should be schooled on how to behave correctly.

tricky99 said:

Yeah tricky, I feel ya but in your preachiness about negativity, you are negative yourself. You name four people up top, out of community of thousands, I'll say that ain't bad. Because I'm fond of Romance, Evil and most def Scifi, who is definately not a negative person and bright spot for the Org, I see posts they make and most of them are backed up(okay, I might just give you Evil, but he's posted some pretty positive shit lately). Whether what they say is viewed as positive or negative, they are still entittled to say it. Just like you just said Musicology isn't Prince's finest moment, someone on here will say you're being negative, so I guess negative is subjective.

alandail said:

No. Sorry.

ian said:

Hey Ian.

ian said:

For real. In fact it's bizzare to assume the song will do well, because it's really terrible. It may however make the top 10 most boring and shity songs of the year. And if you think the video will bring the people in, then.....



P.S. The Dark Lord Satan fuels my negativity machine.

GeSmi1 said:

cmon folks...say it with me.....IG*NOR*ANT!!!! You haters are too much!!!!

Novabreaker said:

Mid 20's huh??? Sounds like you need to grow up and toughen up your sensitive skin, little one!!!!

NPGman said:

You're the one throwing the brick.

NPGman said:

Twat.

God. How many threads do we need for people to snipe at each others' opinions? True debate is great, but pages and pages of, "I'm right, you're wrong," is so damned boring to read.

freakebear said:

it'll pass.

tricky99 said:

That's a damn good analogy.

EvilWhiteMale said:

God, I love you, Evil. Sorry, did I just say God?

This thread is frickin funny!

Although the term "hater" was until a short while ago No.1 in the terms i thought the most blinkered and daft, I'm now warming to it. It's so ludicrous it's amusing.

You're a hater if you don't think the new single is likely to be a commercial success.
You're a hater even if you love Prince's music as a whole but think that certain songs fall flat of his standard.
You're a goddam hater if you're mid-20s and don't lick your own butt in frenzied excitement every time you think of Prince.

Octavius said:

Great post...this is along the lines of what I was thinking...I don't necessarily think that people are hatin' simply to hate; I realize that it has it's origins in something, and I think it's the level Prince took us to musically in the last 20 yrs. But like I said, I'm not here being negative. It was a legitimate question, and this was a great answer.

freakebear said:

You gotta understand that for some people, talking bad about Prince is like talking bad about a member of their immediate family. They love him so much that they have to lash out in venomous fury when Prince isn't praised.

How is it that everyone is super negative or "haters" JUST because they say they don't like Musicology??!?! In my OPINION, the song royally sucks!! The video looks very professional, yes. I just wish it had a great song to go along with it, too! But from what I've mainly heard or read, most people are commenting on this one song and it's possible effects on the impact of this recent media blitz and his record sales. If he wants to capture people's attention again and KEEP it, most of us have a hard time believing it'll happen due to the lack of melody, and whatever else is missing and, again, is my OPINION.

And for those of us who don't care what he does on the charts and just want great music period, we're partially let down because we hope this isn't an omen for the rest of the album! But, we understand that it's only one song. And it appears that MOST people here comment on JUST the song itself, not "boldly" predicting the whole album will be utterly disgusting. Yeah, I'm sure one or two have gone out on a limb and made predictions, but most of us have not. And it could be that those who have have already heard the majority of this album in some form or fashion. But, we're only talking about shit that we've ALREADY heard!!!!! We ain't talking about anything that won't be out for months/years or some shit.

So, what I'm trying to say is we're mostly talking about what we've heard and discussing how we feel about it. Are we "hatin'" on it or him just because we disagree with your opinions?? Just because we weren't moved by what we've heard like you and some others may have been? That's ridiculous for even suggesting that!! If you truly feel like most of us are that negative, just like you told your girlfriend, maybe you should "cut" us because that last thing we want to do is to "bring you down"!!

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Depends on what God you're referring to.