FanofDaFascist said:

R&B stations will eat Reflection up. I don't listen to pop radio.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Radio stations are very narrowly formatted on the East coast. Reflection isn't soulful enough to make it to our Quiet Storm sessions. Maybe I should move out west so I can experience some mo' diversity. Radio stations here are basically "If you ain't payin, we ain't playin it." This is why Jay Z and Puffy ruled the airwaves for so long; they paid for it.

Re:
"VIOLENCE VIOLENCE" - Sandy Dennis "Who's afraid of Virginia Wolf."

Slave2daGroove said:

If people only want a one-sided opinion on Prince, why don't they just hang out at NPGMC, and avoid the stress of seeing a variety of opinions on here?

I'm here because I like some of the music Prince has done. I don't like ALL of it, perhaps not even half of it, but some of it. I'm intrigued and inspired by some of the things he's accomplished as an artist, but certainly not everything.

I like the things I like, but I don't see any reason to spew heaps of false praise for things that I think genuinely suck.

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

Ya think....?
Well we'll see.

Prince is great, but this song sucks.

Even if it's played with real instruments, a loop is a loop is a loop, ugh.

There's not a musically interesting moment in the whole song. He should have thrown down a great rock song, or a great funk song, just something better than a tin-can JB loop with ridiculous crowd noise and voices.

Prince has gone from "I wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth," to "Don't play my records!" At this rate, P, it wont be difficult.

FanofDaFascist said:

Those late night radio programs would probabbly be more keen to Call My Name than Reflection. Who knows tho.

I recall one station in my area that would play all slow R&B in the evenings, but strangely had The Art of Noise's "Moments In Time" in their playlist as well.

Tom said:

"The moment I wake up
Before I put on my makeup
I say a little prayer for you
While combing my hair, now
And wondering what dress to wear, now
I say a little prayer for you"

Wall said:

How Jim Farber of you. lol

NPD313 said:

hahahaha

2 things. Hey Ya has a 'hook' and 'melody'. I am being honest here; i 've listened to musicology three times in the last hour. i could not recite one hook line, piece of melody or full lyric even if my life depended on it.

it's by no means shit. it's just very very weak. you hear that on the radio, you're not going to turn it up or even notice when it stops.... which means it won't connect. remember that the public aren't waiting with baited breath for this record. so, when they hear it on the radio their world doesn't stop automatically - the song has to have the strength and impact to do that itself.

this won't.

BELL6983 said:

Oh, you mean like Michael Jackson's first single for Thriller? Do you remember what that was? And for any simplistic, knee jerk reactionaries, NO, I'm not saying it will do Thriller-type business. Grip yourself.

If Prince has a much stronger single than the 1st, than this is his 1st big mistake.The elements 2 a hit single or a record, "period" starts with a baseline and a hook and maybe some great lyrics and u go from there.

And of course you base this opinion on the great basslines, hooks, and GREAT lyrics of today's biggest hits?...this logic doesn't surprise me considering you spell Jimi's name "Henjix"...

Whine, moan, complain, whinge, blah blah blah. Some of you folks make me puke. call yourselves fans?

Prince definately doesn't need you.

Supernova said:

Supernova I your train of thought.

Tom said:

No-disrespect, Tom and I'm not trying to get people worked -up, I'm just amazed by people here.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but to bash an album from listening to one song is just ignorant.

I don't think everything the guy does is great but that's only because I have, in fact, listened to it.

Wow. I feel so honored, privileged, and overwhelmed to be in the presence of such experts!! I mean, who knew that right here on the good 'ol Org there are hundreds of people who know it all! I've never heard such sweeping conviction from so many hitless, chartless, grammyless, oscarless, american music awardless, probably talentless people. I have heard the sweet truth that rings from your golden ears!! Before having heard the entire album, you know exactly what will happen .
Once again, wow. I just want to thank each and every one of you musical Eberts for showing me the way.

Say what you will about Musicology the single or the album which you haven't heard yet. Realistically, the song is not very strong and probably won't do well on the charts. But Prince should be respected for attempting to come into the mainstream without chasing an audience with the help of Outkast, The Neptunes or R. Kelly and a shit-load of featured guests.



The old saying "If you don't like Prince then why are you here" comment might get some folks riled up. But it is and always will be a valid question if you have members who have been registered here for at least a year and refuse to see any kind of light at the end of the tunnel. Critiquing the song is fine. There's absolutely nothing wrong with discriminating taste. But, for those who can't critique without resorting to 3rd grade descriptions of the music, it says more about you than it does about Prince's music.

Musicology is a weak track, that sounds like the last (independent) single he tried, The Work Pt.1 (I wasn't feeling that one either.) Prince has never had the ability to pick singles (he always argues that he wants to challenge his listener-no, you just can't pick singles.)

Peace, Serveitupfrankie*[/quote]

Somebody pick me up off the floor cuz he got me howlin' wqit laughter.

So far, I like Musicology. I look at in the same vein as Angie Stone, her first album was flipping all over the radio but Mahogony Soul, which is much more closely tied to the sounds of the 70's was mute. The exception is I wish I didn't miss you so much. Most people wouldn't have known about that either if it was remixed into a dancer tune. Sometimes, music is all there is to a song. There are a lot of rappers who make mad musical tracks then open their mouth and ruin it for me.

Give it a chance, though I cant help but wonder if this is going to be another Rave. Medicore mass released cd but slammin' club member disk.

I agree, he simply cannot pick a single.

When Doves Cry and Kiss may have been odd choices for singles at the time, but they were new, exciting and... HAD A CHORUS! And a melody. Not a droned Ugh beat.

thedog said:

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Well a lot of people on this board said he could never sell-out a large arena in the states.
Well he has sold out 10 as of today.

I don't think this CD will sell 10 million copies but trust me Sony will shell out the money to get it on the radio.

manonearth said:

Prince fans need to shut the fuck up for like..a year or so. Nobody knows what the hell the single will chart or cd. Nobody knows what is a hit or isn't. It is al a matter of timing, strategy, zeitgeist etc. The availability of the net allows us to hear and see things before we get a chance to process it with these factors ( but only us net dorks do such things before anyways). You no like? so? you love? so. Nobody knows how anything will work out. Goddamn you got people bitching about and trying to decipher if Prince's solo was over the line etc., if Petty was pissed, if it was just technical, if he meant it as tribute eyc. Prince fans are a trip. Fucking ignant' at times.

SENSHY said:

Ok,I've listened to Musicology a few times in a row just now

1)It sounds nothing like Batdance lol, god knows where that comments coming from
2) It is a bit James Browny though , I preferred The Work , but I'm only just getting into
this new track
3)I sure as hell aint gonna make a judgement on the entire album based
on the lead off single ,if any of you haters consider yourself knowledgeable Prince fans then you'd know that one single cant be used as a basis to say what everything else on the album is gonna be like quality wise , theres gonna be an array of different musical styles ,Musicology is just one song from it.

OdysseyMiles said:

Actually, Prince himself has stated (on 2045 Radical Man) that his music CAN be criticized from a consumer point of view.

And in the end, it IS the consumers' verdict that will make or break Musicolgy - both the single and the album. So it doesn't really matter what a musician might think of the album. They can admire his craftmanship all they want, but they really are just consumers too, like the rest of us, unless they actually contributed to the album in question.

As a consumer, I'm withholding my judgment of the album until I've heard it. But the lead-off track (Musicology) hasn't exactly fed me hope of a great album, if his choice of lead-single is based on which of the songs he thinks is the best. Because to me it sounds like something he used to put on a b-side. So what are we looking forward to? A collection of b-sides? I don't know. I keep an open mind and hope he'll surprise me in a good way.

What I am a bit excited about - in regards to the new album - is to see/hear what the lyrics are about this time. To me, lyrics are half the song. The lyrics are the message that the music helps carry across. I'm keeping an open mind, but following TRC where I found the lyrics a total turn-off, again my expectations aren't all too high.

Good news bad news...

The bad news :

My feeling about Musicology -- the song -- is that it will FLOP!.

The good news :

I'm almost always wrong about chart potential, so it could be a HIT!


There... hope I made everyone happy.


Musicology is, yes, more JB from PRN, but it's only more to us, the die-hard fans. The rest of the world hasn't been exposed to a Prince JB-influenced song in a long time. You practically have to go back to Sexy MF.

So keep that in mind if you are "fed up with the horns".

Aerogram said:

Could yawl imagine what this thread wouldve been like in 1984. Half of us wouldve trashed WDC. "its got no bassline' "you cant dance to it" Something special is gonna happen wit dis song yawl, i just feel it.

psykosoul said:

Not only would "When Doves Cry" have been bashed on this site, can you imagine the criticism of "Sign of the Times"? No matter what Prince releases, there are always gonna be haters. The other day I read where someone said they didn't like "Kiss" until they heard Prince perform it live recently. I was shocked. I thought that was a song everyone loved: hardcore fans, casual fans and non-fans alike. Wrong.
Seems that the majority of folks like or love the single Musicology. And the video. I think the people who are being so negative so early on want it to fail.

'Musicology. Another flop.' Hmmm How do you define "Flop?"
If it moves kids and adults alike to pick up an instrument and play is it a "Flop?"
If it moves some of the currently producers, programmers and artist alike to add more live musicians to their tracks and performances is it a "Flop?"

I'm just playing the Devils advocate...I know you mean "Flop" in a commercial sense.

But does Prince really need to prove anything commercially. He has been there and done that.
He will never in his lifetime outsell "Purple Rain" or be as commercially inovative and influencial as he was with SOTT or LS. Those albums had their respective missions and they accomplish them very successfully.

The mission now is to teach! To inspire musically! He's at that point in his life now.

Do you really think that P cannot pick a hit single or make one if he wanted too?
Thats rediculous. Some fans want him to top the charts. Thats not neccesarily what he wants.
What sense would it make to write a song cherishing the old school and use a glamorized modern commercial sound? The sound of the track fits its message.

Thats what the choice of the single is all about! The message "PRINCE" wants to send.

Is this really a new surprise Prince approach?

Its nothing new really. He is the same Prince.... just with a different message.
As always like it or hate it! I dont think he cares.

http://www.broadjam.com/cozmic

Littlewing said:

I agree 100% But u know in every school u have good and bad students. From what i read in this thread most in here still have some homework to do...lol

Littlewing said:

You know, that reminds me of this saying... "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."