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Reply #30 posted 03/19/04 12:51pm

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skywalker said:

What's this mean to you?

"Mind your own muthafucka, let a man be a man."

I assume that includes being able to change your own lyric to "mind your own brotha..."


Um, you KNOW that we could quote SIX FUCKING JILLION Prince lyrics about sexual liberation, but what the fuck does that mean?

NADA. Just like yer quote from Days of Wild.

And by the way, if you apparently think Prince is beyond reproach, why can't his fans have similar unreproachable opinions? Oh, I remember, because you don't agree with them. neutral
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Reply #31 posted 03/19/04 12:53pm

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LovesexyIsThe1 said:

I can't speak for all members, but his days of being sexually explicit can be put behind him for all I care. But don't perform those songs at all, if you are going to change the lyrics.


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Reply #32 posted 03/19/04 12:53pm

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javed said:

great thread. Thing is listen to Evilwhitemales point. If the songs were 'world class' in mould of what we know what he can do then swearing , explicit sex etc would not be an issue. I just , after 2 years of resisting, bought my 1st White Stripes cd [Elephant] and simply put there's nothing explicit, no swearing etc just raw grooves , great musicianship and some great lyrics. If Prince released a track like 'Ball and Biscuit' which is too cool to be true then we wouldn't give a shit about his new mature self.
Whilst I love the Jazz Funk phase from TRC onwards i am yearning for a Song / Album now that will consolidate all this new found popularity. What was unique about the 80's was his ability to put out singles that were totally different from anything else yet they still got airplay and appealed to the masses and he was seen as cool. But this time round with changing tastes and a lot safer radio programming he has to play the game and perhaps deliver another compromise CD like Rave with bits to keep us happy, bits to keep a label happy , bits to keep radio happy etc.
I hope that above else he is happy with who he is and he keeps putting out music. If nothing else its never boring!.


Good points. I'd really like to know how Prince thinks about things. If he's happy just being an underground artist, then good for him. But if he wants the masses back, then he needs to get his ass in gear and make some more commercial music.
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Reply #33 posted 03/19/04 12:58pm

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scififilmnerd said:

"Wise" isn't exactly a word I'd use about Prince. He has yet to prove that he has any common business sense at all. biggrin

Still, I like that he recently seem to have been trying to patch up with his gay fanbase. I hope 2004 will be a good year to be a Prince fan, but mostly because I'm hoping for some new, good ol' Purple Rain era stuff in connection with it's anniversary. biggrin


well dont bitch if you don't get it. but u will anyway biggrin
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Reply #34 posted 03/19/04 1:13pm

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skywalker said:


Digusted huh? Like I said-People have been saying new Prince music sucks since they heard "Around the World in a Day". Hell, it's not even limited to just Prince. How many times have you heard someone say about a band/musician/singer. "Yeah, I like their older stuff." People often have a hard time with change.



I'm talking about those who used to be hardcore Prince fans, not just people who thought Kiss was his last good song. When you start losing members of your core fanbase, then it's not good.
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Reply #35 posted 03/19/04 1:23pm

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It's not Hard at all cause I still love all his music. No, it's hard to fathom that I didn't get to go to bed with him when he still was fooling around with Girlies in such a Wild Way...But still I'd take him anyway he wants it. He owns me and he owns my Meow. A willing Slave ??? Hell yeah...Anytime anyplace for him.



HAHAHAHA..No matter what the topic, you always mangege to find a way to twist it into a invitation for prince to fuxx you!...lol That cracks me up!...hahahaha

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Reply #36 posted 03/19/04 1:25pm

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jpav said:


ZZZ...Yawn...Typical...This is the kind of boring, crass, mindless generalization that we get from Bart and other perpetual "back-lookers", who seem to desperately want it to be 1984, and who have spent the last 20 years waiting and complaing.

Bla bla bla. It's people like you who have the wrong idea. You do the same shit all the time by saying we want to be back in 1984. Now THAT is typical and mindless. The music doesn't have to be like 1984, but I would like for it to be good at least. And forget about 1984, how bout 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996?

Just what does "the new music" refer to? Is that just this year, five years ago, or ever since you decided everything sucked, which seems to be decades? "New music" is an easy out for critics...

The new music is what's happening now. But it's all been sucking bad since the late 90's.

This orignal thread post is so right... People are capable of responding to songs about sex, masturbation, and the like, and can easily deal with cursing and bathroom-wall poetry, but when it comes to dealing with spiritual issues, and seraching for more meaning in life, all the open minds start slamming shut.

Or maybe the biggest issue is that the music itself is terrible. How bout them apples?

Prince has grown as a person, and has shown an ability to change perspective, consider new answers, and to not act is if he is a teenager when he's not, while still being happy and funky in the process.

So in other words, as an artist grows older, their music has to get dull, empty, and lousy. Okay, I understand now. thumbs up!

A pity many fans can't do the same...

It's a pitty fans are looked down on for having a different opinion.

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Reply #37 posted 03/19/04 1:26pm

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scififilmnerd said:

EvilWhiteMale said:

I guess we wouldn't mind so much if the new music didn't suck as much dick as it does.


You really think it's as good as a blowjob? biggrin



Not a good blowjob, but a nasty stank, crackhead blowjob.
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Reply #38 posted 03/19/04 1:32pm

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I guess we wouldn't mind so much if the new music didn't suck as much dick as it does.

You sure did attend the HOF after concert though knowing full well his new approach to the old and new music hmmm
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Reply #39 posted 03/19/04 1:33pm

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I don't mind that he's not overtly sexual and racy anymore, I just don't like that he's not as creatively inspired as he used to be.

I'd rather Prince just release fewer albums these days and actually make each one good-great again.

That's the only shame with Prince these days to me, not his religion or his having gotten older.
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Reply #40 posted 03/19/04 1:35pm

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SENSHY said:

EvilWhiteMale said:

I guess we wouldn't mind so much if the new music didn't suck as much dick as it does.

You sure did attend the HOF after concert though knowing full well his new approach to the old and new music hmmm


I went cuz my friend had an extra ticket. And I did enjoy what he did with most of his old songs, however, his new music is still shite, especially if it all sounds similar to Musicology.
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Reply #41 posted 03/19/04 1:36pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

SENSHY said:


You sure did attend the HOF after concert though knowing full well his new approach to the old and new music hmmm


I went cuz my friend had an extra ticket. And I did enjoy what he did with most of his old songs, however, his new music is still shite, especially if it all sounds similar to Musicology.

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Reply #42 posted 03/19/04 2:27pm

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SquarePeg said:

well dont bitch if you don't get it. but u will anyway biggrin


If he's changed the lyrics, you bet your buttocks I will. wink
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Reply #43 posted 03/19/04 2:33pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

jpav said:

This orignal thread post is so right... People are capable of responding to songs about sex, masturbation, and the like, and can easily deal with cursing and bathroom-wall poetry, but when it comes to dealing with spiritual issues, and seraching for more meaning in life, all the open minds start slamming shut.


Or maybe the biggest issue is that the music itself is terrible. How bout them apples?

It's a pitty fans are looked down on for having a different opinion.



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Reply #44 posted 03/19/04 2:37pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

I guess we wouldn't mind so much if the new music didn't suck as much dick as it does.


SENSHY said:

You sure did attend the HOF after concert though knowing full well his new approach to the old and new music hmmm


Yeah, and he played TWO new songs. Besides, if you read the thread Evil started on the show, you'd understand why he went, and maybe you'd learn a thing or two about individuality.
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Reply #45 posted 03/19/04 3:00pm

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Or maybe the biggest issue is that the music itself is terrible. How bout them apples?


Your opinion isn't what is tired and played out. It's the logic. If Prince has been that fucking terrible for so long and you're still here on a daily basis to let the world know it then why keep setting yourself up for disappointment. In my opinion Prince's music hasn't been as much fun as it was back in the day. However, if I thought it was complete shite, and sucked donkey dicks etc. I would simply shut the fuck up, let the man play what he wants to play and enjoy my copies of the classic music.

And before you retort with that this is a free country, this is the world wide web where opinions come a dime a dozen, respect my individuality ... please spare me. I and others here would respect your opinion and the rest of the drama-queen/attention seeker opinions more if you could actually stop your obsession with Prince's music. If you don't like the recent music, fine. But you make yourself look like an idiot by griping year after year. You also come across as more idiotic than the ones who are possessed by the Purple Kool Aid and are afraid to be critical of Prince.

"Prince and his music sucks and it has for years blah blah blah and my dumb ass is still getting tickets to the show...But he still sucks" Please. It's the first quarter of 2004. Please stop frontin' because you have it seem to have it confused. Prince's music just might suck dick. But you can't seem to stop riding his. Good Morning?
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Reply #46 posted 03/19/04 3:03pm

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psykosoul said:

[broke it down here]

you need to print up cards with all that, print 'em out and pass 'em out here at your leisure. worship
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Reply #47 posted 03/19/04 3:07pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

psykosoul said:

[broke it down here]

you need to print up cards with all that, print 'em out and pass 'em out here at your leisure. worship



I shouldn't outta hadta done it... Lemme take my ass back to the org musician forum before ya'll get my pressure up. evillol
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Reply #48 posted 03/19/04 3:12pm

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psykosoul said:

EvilWhiteMale said:


Or maybe the biggest issue is that the music itself is terrible. How bout them apples?


Your opinion isn't what is tired and played out. It's the logic. If Prince has been that fucking terrible for so long and you're still here on a daily basis to let the world know it then why keep setting yourself up for disappointment. In my opinion Prince's music hasn't been as much fun as it was back in the day. However, if I thought it was complete shite, and sucked donkey dicks etc. I would simply shut the fuck up, let the man play what he wants to play and enjoy my copies of the classic music.

And before you retort with that this is a free country, this is the world wide web where opinions come a dime a dozen, respect my individuality ... please spare me. I and others here would respect your opinion and the rest of the drama-queen/attention seeker opinions more if you could actually stop your obsession with Prince's music. If you don't like the recent music, fine. But you make yourself look like an idiot by griping year after year. You also come across as more idiotic than the ones who are possessed by the Purple Kool Aid and are afraid to be critical of Prince.

"Prince and his music sucks and it has for years blah blah blah and my dumb ass is still getting tickets to the show...But he still sucks" Please. It's the first quarter of 2004. Please stop frontin' because you have it seem to have it confused. Prince's music just might suck dick. But you can't seem to stop riding his. Good Morning?


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Reply #49 posted 03/19/04 3:17pm

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theblueangel said:

EvilWhiteMale said:

I guess we wouldn't mind so much if the new music didn't suck as much dick as it does.


SENSHY said:

You sure did attend the HOF after concert though knowing full well his new approach to the old and new music hmmm


Yeah, and he played TWO new songs. Besides, if you read the thread Evil started on the show, you'd understand why he went, and maybe you'd learn a thing or two about individuality.


Oh please. Did YOU read? The statement covered that he may play his old stuff in the way he EWM dislikes and he may play new music which he dislikes. So all bases were covered. In essence its EWM just batchin n batchin then having the gall to go to a show showing his hipocrisy (sp?). As psykosoul has brilliantly pointed pout up above.
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Reply #50 posted 03/19/04 3:18pm

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psykosoul said:

I would simply shut the fuck up, let the man play what he wants to play and enjoy my copies of the classic music.


And then you'd go to the NPGMC and let'em all know how good you think Head is, right? lol
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Reply #51 posted 03/19/04 3:20pm

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scififilmnerd said:

psykosoul said:

I would simply shut the fuck up, let the man play what he wants to play and enjoy my copies of the classic music.


And then you'd go to the NPGMC and let'em all know how good you think Head is, right? lol


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Reply #52 posted 03/19/04 3:34pm

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scififilmnerd said:

psykosoul said:

I would simply shut the fuck up, let the man play what he wants to play and enjoy my copies of the classic music.


And then you'd go to the NPGMC and let'em all know how good you think Head is, right? lol


Well, if I felt the need to tell NPGMC, I would. But I don't. Why would I? If Prince is not all about Head and songs like that anymore, that's fine. If that's not what he represents musically anymore then I have the common courtesy not to run over there and spark conflict over it. That's a reason many folks got banned over there from the forums. The rules of time, place and manner were laid out from get go. Some may see it as censorship and prevention of freedom of speech or whatever. Does that make me a mindless sheep for having common courtesy? batting eyes
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Reply #53 posted 03/19/04 3:37pm

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scififilmnerd said:



And then you'd go to the NPGMC and let'em all know how good you think Head is, right? lol


Well, if I felt the need to tell NPGMC, I would. But I don't. Why would I? If Prince is not all about Head and songs like that anymore. That's fine. If that's not what he represents musically anymore then I have the common courtesy not to run over there and spark conflict over it. That's a reason a folks got banned over there from the forums. The rules of time, place and manner were laid out from get go. Some may see it as censorship and prevention of freedom of speech or whatever. Does that make me a mindless sheep for having common courtesy? batting eyes
[This message was edited Fri Mar 19 15:35:42 2004 by psykosoul]


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Reply #54 posted 03/19/04 3:43pm

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The only problem that I have with anything that Prince has released since Emancipation is the quality of the music. I really do not care what he sings about. Let's be realistic, 95% of the lyrics out there are crap. But I really believe that Prince is capable of creating better music. I will agree that his newer stuff is unfairly dismissed but I think if he would slow down just a little bit his work would be better for it. Wouldn't you all prefer it if Prince didn't release anything for two years but when he finally did it was killer? Of course this is just my opinion, Prince has always worked very quickly, but I think he should slow down.
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Reply #55 posted 03/19/04 3:47pm

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We've seen Prince evolve from a sophisticated, intelligent, sexy and confident 20 year old kid to an immature, self-obsessed, holly rollin' 40 year old man.
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Reply #56 posted 03/19/04 3:57pm

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Great topic, and skywalker, you hit the nail on the head.Prince is not trying to get in the game, Prince is the game. Can you smell the funk?

yeah! I think most people are missing the point Prince has been trying to make his whole entire career, Hello my name is Prince and I can do whatever the hell I want. He did it when he decided to produce his first album at the age of 19 the youngest to ever do it even against Warner Bros. suggestions. He did it when everyone thought he would never resurface after the whole name change and record company dissolution. He always does whatever he wants because he can not because everyone agrees with him. That's what I love about him. Anyway some people criticize him for playing the hits and trying to please the mainstream and then you got those who are ready to die when an album like TRC comes out that is why I am glad he does his own thing because people are going to moan regardless. If he wants to be less sexual he has every right to. Most importantly though he is showing he can still sell out arenas whether he's humping the stage and cursing or not.
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Reply #57 posted 03/19/04 4:06pm

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psykosoul said:

ell, if I felt the need to tell NPGMC, I would. But I don't. Why would I? If Prince is not all about Head and songs like that anymore, that's fine. If that's not what he represents musically anymore then I have the common courtesy not to run over there and spark conflict over it. That's a reason many folks got banned over there from the forums. The rules of time, place anWd manner were laid out from get go. Some may see it as censorship and prevention of freedom of speech or whatever. Does that make me a mindless sheep for having common courtesy? batting eyes


Yes. biggrin

Now, I can only speak for myself, so that's what I'm gonna do. biggrin

I love Prince's music. I m a fan. If it is my opinion that, say, The Rainbow Children was a godawful piece of work, I'm gonna say "I think it sucked" every time someone brings it up. And why shouldn't I? Certainly those who likes it speaks up. And if they can't handle a contradictory opinion, then I feel sorry for them. biggrin

If I don't like where Prince is at, then why am I here? I have several reasons - first and foremost is to have fun with my fellow Prince fans in the General Discussion area. Another is to keep up on information on stuff that he did that I liked and to join in on praise threads of the classic tracks. A third is that I hope Prince will make a better release in the future and I am here looking for signs of directions that might please the fan in me. biggrin

If my presence and opinions are not to someone's liking, what's it to me? Their opinions aren't to my liking, either. I don't ask them to go away. biggrin

So I shouldn't be here because I have a mind of my own - an opinion of my own, and someone doesn't like the fact that we all aren't of one mind? Well, get used to it. That's life. biggrin

If you don't like ripples in your water, I understand there aren't any at the NPGMC. So go there or stay here and welcome the diversity. But don't you dare tell anyone who consider themselves to be a fan of Prince that they do no belong here. Who are you to make that call? Shame on you. biggrin
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Reply #58 posted 03/19/04 4:08pm

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SENSHY said:

Damn! Copy, print, save again!


And shame on you, too, for sharing psykosouls limited view. biggrin
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Reply #59 posted 03/19/04 4:10pm

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

you need to print up cards with all that, print 'em out and pass 'em out here at your leisure. worship


And I'm disappointed in you, Handclaps. But you're a dear, so I forgive you. wink
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