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Probably ban him from talking-when he performs he a genius when he talks he an irritation  | |
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CinisterCee said: Topic immediately makes you think "the name change to
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Do you think Prince regrets that? I have to say, as confusing as it was for some, I think it was a great way of creating mystique, and at the time it felt like a new beginning. If we are still taking about the name change, it was a success. It was publicity at its best. Prince would not even be on the charts and would be getting referred to in movies and TV regularly. Jokes dont matter when you have the skills and history that Prince has ...cause FACE said so!!! | |
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NPGLOVER said: CinisterCee said: Topic immediately makes you think "the name change to
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Do you think Prince regrets that? I have to say, as confusing as it was for some, I think it was a great way of creating mystique, and at the time it felt like a new beginning. If we are still taking about the name change, it was a success. It was publicity at its best. Prince would not even be on the charts and would be getting referred to in movies and TV regularly. Jokes dont matter when you have the skills and history that Prince has Not all publicity is good publicity. Sure it kept him in the public eye to some extent, but some critics saw it as desperate. Why would a musician want to be remembered for something that people found laughable? It's all about the music. Music, music, music. If that's good then no-one will care about eccentricities. Don't want the eccentricities to overshadow the music. Look at MJ - oxygen tent blah blah - didn't matter because he was releasing music that kicked ass. Then the eccentricities became more important than the music. | |
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1. His conversion to JW.
2. Changing the lyrics of "The Cross." 3. Releasing downloads of past music with the cuss words edited out with that crappy fast forward/rewind sound. So you don't believe Jesus died on a cross anymore... write a new song about it. Don't f<¢! with a classic like The Cross, changing the lyrics. Bad enough he sings some different words in Anna Stesia too. Same goes for cussing. Write new songs without cuss words, don't change or edit the old stuff. 1 John 4: 1–6 http://www.biblegateway.c...ersion1=31 | |
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My number one is leaving Warner Bros. If you want to say the name change, same thing. It all went south when he did that. He says he's happier now, and maybe so. But as a bad career move, that is it.
I think his worst career move is something that is always ongoing. He never has anyone in his corner that can say "No". No advisors that can help him in the decision making process. We all have these, and there isn't anything wrong with it. Give it a try, Prince. | |
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If you could "undo" any one thing Prince did, what would it be?
His pants. "New Power slide...." |
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Mazerati said:[quote]not using his guitar more often on albums.
Exacly wot i waz thinkin.  | |
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The Arms of Orion.
 "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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Purple Rain. j/k That would be selfish of me. PR took him from cult status to superstardom. I'm happy for him.
Let's undo Batdance,  dagnamit! | |
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NOBODY SAID TONY M?
1.Tony M 2. Tony M 3. Tony M | |
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I wish Prince never signed that $100 million contract.
From that came all the pressures he felt to be a huge commercial success, which brought on that desperate hip hop image with crap like Tony M, and then of course the ensuing war and stupid name change. It's sad, cause the world probably won't bother to appreciate great albums like Gold Experience and Emancipation til Prince is dead. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
"You still wanna take me to prison...just because I won't trade humanity for patriotism." | |
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"Dance Music Sex Roamance " should have been a single .
A) should have let Purple Rain ride for another 6 months before releasing another album. B) ATWIAD and Parade should have been combined into ONE ALBUM with all the strongest tracks. C) If you are as old as I am (33) you remember that SOTT was starting to really take off when Prince up an released his next album Lovesexy. He should have let SOTT ride for another year . 'The Cross; should have been released as a single around Christmas time, Starfish and Coffee, Housequake, and Foreverr in My Life , should have been released as singles. D) He should have toured the US for SOTT E) Lovesexy should have been the bootleg album. The Black Album should have been released. F) ERASE GRAFITTI BRIDGE G) Diamonds and Pearls and the Symble album should have been one cd with only the strong tracks on it. [This message was edited Sat Apr 17 1:07:49 2004 by chrisslope9] | |
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chrisslope9 said: "Dance Music Sex Roamance " should have been a single .
A) should have let Purple Rain ride for another 6 months before releasing another album. B) ATWIAD and Parade should have been combined into ONE ALBUM with all the strongest tracks. C) If you are as old as I am (33) you remember that SOTT was starting to really take off when Prince up an released his next album Lovesexy. He should have let SOTT ride for another year . 'The Cross; should have been released as a single around Christmas time, Starfish and Coffee, Housequake, and Foreverr in My Life , should have been released as singles. D) He should have toured the US for SOTT E) Lovesexy should have been the bootleg album. The Black Album should have been released. F) ERASE GRAFITTI BRIDGE G) Diamonds and Pearls and the Symble album should have been one cd with only the strong tracks on it. Erase all rapping on all Prince cd's. [This message was edited Sat Apr 17 1:07:49 2004 by chrisslope9] | |
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Jughead. | |
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ATWIAD and Parade should have been combined into ONE ALBUM with all the strongest
tracks I posted this a couple of days ago, but I will say it again. Release the top 33% of the music and make every album so kick-ass that he can't be denied. | |
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1. Becoming a JW and preaching to everyone, a la, The Rainbow Children
2. Diamonds and Pearls, dancers and rappers. 3. Graffitti Bridge movie. 4. Changing his name. 5. Ass-less pants. 6. Firing Wendy, Lisa, Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis. 7. Acting like an ass in front of MJ/James Brown/Quincy Jones. | |
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laylow03 said: 1. Becoming a JW and preaching to everyone, a la, The Rainbow Children
2. Diamonds and Pearls, dancers and rappers. 3. Graffitti Bridge movie. 4. Changing his name. 5. Ass-less pants. 6. Firing Wendy, Lisa, Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis. 7. Acting like an ass in front of MJ/James Brown/Quincy Jones. You are soooo right on! | |
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Has anyone mentioned the narration on TRC?  That's my vote off the top of my head. | |
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Zelaira said: I also think not performing at WE ARE THE WORLD hurt him
This was by far his MOST publically damaging thing that he has ever done. With Purple Rain all over people's minds, he was in position to be the driving force behind the contempory music scene. True, he donated a song for the album, but his snubbing of the session with all the other "so-called" giants of music, really shined him in a negative light with industry peeps and fans alike. When WATW exploded, he found out first hand that those missed 10 hours, probably cost him his cross-over status with the overall public. Supporters always have known and understood why he didnt make it, but to the critics he looked as if he blew off a worldwide charitible event. "P.....we aint mad atcha about that silly stuff.....some folks just dont understand." Get over it critics, this is Mr. Man of the music scene!!!!! "If you wanna feel the FUNK....then you have to know the SOUL!!!"-----(Up and Down...just like a seesaw, Back and Forth...oh girl I'm fallin) | |
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lbadored said: laylow03 said: 1. Becoming a JW and preaching to everyone, a la, The Rainbow Children
2. Diamonds and Pearls, dancers and rappers. 3. Graffitti Bridge movie. 4. Changing his name. 5. Ass-less pants. 6. Firing Wendy, Lisa, Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis. 7. Acting like an ass in front of MJ/James Brown/Quincy Jones. You are soooo right on! Which of these should be UNDONE?? These are attempts and trials of an artist trying NEW and fresh ideas. Should he have put braids in his hair, and a huge joint on stage? So, these acts werent COMMERCIALLY successful..... do you think he was trying to impress anyone COMMERCIALLY anyway??? hmmmmm....just a thought!!!! 
I think these have added to the legacy of THE most influential ARTIST of all time!!! [This message was edited Sat Apr 17 9:09:36 2004 by NPGman] "If you wanna feel the FUNK....then you have to know the SOUL!!!"-----(Up and Down...just like a seesaw, Back and Forth...oh girl I'm fallin) | |
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Most of the rappers on his songs, i.e. Kat on "Alphabet St.," Tony M on the Diamonds and Pearls and albums. Actually, just to be safe, all rapping outside of "P Control." I love rap and all, but he has a knack for chossing terrible people to rap on his songs (and ironically, the one time the one time he DOES work with a good rapper - Chuck D - the song isn't that great) and terribel times to throw them into the song.
Cutting the SOTT tour short would have pissed me off if I wasn't 3 years old at the time, but that sounds like a bad decision from what I've read. Releasing so many albums. Granted, I only dislike maybe 5 of his albums. But a lot of them (especially Purple Rain) had some more gas in them before it was time to release another one. Purple Rain should've been his Thriller -- a superalbum that spun off singles over the course of a few years. 7 of Thriller's 9 songs were hits, and I'm sure Purple Rain could've had all of its songs be hits. Making Emancipation 3 discs. I love the album (it's one of my favorites, and the second Prince album I ever bought), but considering what he had to prove in that time period, it seemed like a terrible time to be releasing a 3-disc set. Most of New Power Soul. That was the perfect opportunity to make up for Emancipation's excess, but it didn't have the quality to go with its bevity. Oh, and the number of silent tracks before the bonus track? Annoying. [This message was edited Sat Apr 17 9:20:44 2004 by croweonbranch] | |
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Speaking strictly in commercial terms, I think it's very clear that the Warners/slave/name change incidents were the nail in the coffin for his career. All the mistakes mentioned above are pretty valid, but up until 93/94 he was able to recover from his errors and land on his feet.
For example, after the UTCM catastrophe, he released SOTT, which most committed fans and critics agree is the best album of his career. He managed to resuscitate his career after the failure of the Lovesexy tour and album by attaching himself to the Batman movie. At this point, I'll reiterate that I am speaking strictly in terms of public perception and commercial success. I listened to the Batman album once and quickly sold it - I think it's easily the second worst thing I've ever heard by Prince (next to Lovesexy - go ahead and flame me now) Then he bombs again with Graffiti Bridge, and comes back with D&P - again, D&P wasn't a brilliant album by any stretch of the imagination, but he worked hard to sell it: he made slick videos, did television appearances and released commercial, radio-ready songs as singles. He was able to show that people were still willing to buy product with his name on it. However, the name change/war with his record company episode tarnished his public image to the extent that he was incapable of recovery. His behaviour prior to this point had always been loopy and erratic, but now he looked borderline psychotic. Also, he frankly looked like quite an ingrate given the support that Warners had given him throughout his career. That's what I think, anyway... | |
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As an addition to a thread about being 45 that I started in the GD forum, if there was one thing that I could "undo" that Prince has done, it was his decision to equate getting older with having to be mellow. I'm firmly planted in denial |
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NPGman said: lbadored said: You are soooo right on! Which of these should be UNDONE?? These are attempts and trials of an artist trying NEW and fresh ideas. Should he have put braids in his hair, and a huge joint on stage? So, these acts werent COMMERCIALLY successful..... do you think he was trying to impress anyone COMMERCIALLY anyway??? hmmmmm....just a thought!!!!
I think these have added to the legacy of THE most influential ARTIST of all time!!! [This message was edited Sat Apr 17 9:09:36 2004 by NPGman] I absolutely, without a doubt believe so. Prince always talks about being a Gemini and GOD doesn't he live up to all the stereotypes about Gemini's. [well, since he's a JW now, he probably wouldn't subscribe to astrology, but anyway...] As I was saying, there are two conflicting sides to this man. One side wants to be friendly to the mainstream...have big hits, be back on the charts, sell millions of albums. I think that's the side that signed with Warner's. The other side wants to be the maverick, control-freak, independent. Like most people, I just don't get Prince. I never have. No one will ever fully understand him. I think he has the worst business/management sense. And when he tries to be like everyone else (e.g., movies, rappers, dancers, etc.) he fails miserably. In many ways I feel sorry for him because he'll seldom admit when he's wrong. And not listening to others' opinions or points of view has, in my opinion, done him irreputable harm... | |
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1. Strange action with ATWIAD
2. Not realising Black Album 3. GB movie 4. D&P crue (specialy Tony M) 5. raps (My name is P. & so on)
6. Changing name 7. JW thing... 8. Acting like a fool in front of Quincy and others 9. NPGMC in form it existed 10. P. after era is not the same P. that was before (Eye No people R changing but wtf with him?)
11. place 4 other stuff Ain't that a bitch? | |
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"And not listening to others' opinions or points of view has, in my opinion, done him irreputable harm"
I completely agree with this - I think his greatest fault is that he is so insular in his outlook. I seem to recall a quote from a band member (might have been Alan Leeds) stating that he was bothered by the bimbos Prince chose to work with (I assume he was referring to the Appollonia, Vanity and Cats of his career). He should have been working with people who were on his level musically, but instead he chose people who were objectively inferior. That is classic control freak behaviour (not an original insight on my part, I realize). To an extent, this actually reminds me of a very gifted man for whom I used to work. He was really a brilliant fellow, an honest to god intellectual, but he had surrounded himself with absolute mediocrities because he knew they would never present a challenge to him. I think Prince has done the exact same thing, and it has severely damaged his output. Instead of working with people who could communicate musically on his level and push him to greater heights, he's trapped himself in his own insular world . He's never had anyone who would stand up to him and say "this isn't good enough - there's only two quality tracks here and the rest is filler", or "that track will not work as a single". [This message was edited Sat Apr 17 14:48:44 2004 by flipwilson] [This message was edited Sat Apr 17 14:51:35 2004 by flipwilson] | |
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VelvetJ said: 1. Releasing ATWIAD immediately following Purple Rain.
2. Not touring the U.S. with The Sign O The Times Tour 3. Not extensively tour the U.S. for as long as he did because he was pissed The LoveSexy Tour wasn't as successful as he would have liked. Honestly, although I feel that was one of his best tours (even though I wasn't able to actually go to a concert), I think a lot of people just didn't connect with LoveSexy. I think if he would have toured with the black album, that tour would have been more successful in the U.S. 3a. I think Prince not touring the U.S. for basically 10 years is something I wish He would not have done. There was a LOT of music many of his fans never got to hear live in the U.S. Prince did a few dates within that time, but he skipped the "meat" of the United States. For instance, Texas didn't get a Parade tour date. We did get LoveSexy, but the next tour Texas got after that was the JOTY tour. That is a lot of music to have missed. I say all of that to say this.....I think that's why so many people still want to hear some of the old stuff, because we missed 10 years of live music from him, therefor many of us have never heard a lot of the old stuff. I remember going crazy hearing Housequake for the first time Live on the JOTY tour. Star Fish and Coffee, Raspberry Beret, and Mutiny, on the Hit n Run tour blew me away. Tears fell when I heard Sometimes It Snows in April on the One Night Alone Tour. It's practically impossible for Prince to play everything he has ever recorded Live in concert...I'm well aware of that. But Some have to also understand that a lot of Prince's fans don't Live in Minneapolis, or Los Angeles, or New York, where he has seemed to perform the most. There is a LOT of music many of his fans missed and would still love to hear them in Concert. Note- I know I strayed a little but I really wanted to get that off of my chest. Now I will be able to sleep tonight.  THis one of the most interesting analyses I have ever read on this site and rings true... I realised during ONA that to my surprise I enjoyed the shows more because they weren't chocabloc with hits... I for one rather liked the name change and loved the "slave" episode, thanks for this comment it's great, really set me thinking | |
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Two words: Sheena Easton. a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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FABpolska said: 1. Strange action with ATWIAD
8. Acting like a fool in front of Quincy and others I am not familiar with those incidences. Please explain..Thanks | |
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