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PrintableFutureShock said: Some fans have the worst case of monday morning quarterbacking that I've ever seen! Some of you all act as if you expect Prince to personally come by your home and get your personal approval before doing anything that he does.
Everything that Prince does doesn't require a critique (whether good or bad). You're right... "less is more", so do us all a favor and please be quiet. I agree with you FutureShock. You guys must have nice streamlined bands that keep pumping out the hits with your careers marketed and promoted to perfection. | |
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I like the big band thing - but I DONT like the 50-songs-into-one-segue crap... it's soo Tony Orlando And Dawn - I dunno - trying to throw together all his songs to please everybody will indeed be hard to do, but, come on, don't throw "A Love Bizarre" in full horn treatment into the opening of some OTHER song. Play the song or don't, but don't tease me and then say, "hey, I'm playing all tha hits!"
But hey, I'm a whiner. What do I know. The Last Otan Track: www.funkmusician.com/what.mp3 | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: laurarichardson said: I have looked at a copy of the Parade Detroit show and this is the same set-up. Only
he has better musicians. Prince is not on the rock tip right now so leave and come back when he decides to rock out. It is funk all the way. More like crap all the way. ----- Just admit you don't like funk. | |
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otan said: I like the big band thing - but I DONT like the 50-songs-into-one-segue crap... it's soo Tony Orlando And Dawn - I dunno - trying to throw together all his songs to please everybody will indeed be hard to do, but, come on, don't throw "A Love Bizarre" in full horn treatment into the opening of some OTHER song. Play the song or don't, but don't tease me and then say, "hey, I'm playing all tha hits!"
But hey, I'm a whiner. What do I know.  And please do away with the medleys. Can I please get the whole Condition of the Heart? | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: go2theMax said: U don't respond my post becuz U've just ran out of good reasons....U don't have a point...u're always talking loud and sayin' nothing...and after all, U're really not able 2 discuss with me  Grow up and get a life!Are you fucking kidding me? You have the nerve to use Prince-isms and tell ME to "grow up and get a life?" Are you fucking high? If you wanna discuss something with me, use proper English, otherwise leave it alone. See...U just proved my point! 
this "fuckin'" attitude and the "user proper english 2 discuss with me"...sounds like "man I don't have a point..leave me alone...don't want discuss wit ya anymore...u're wreckin' my brain"
And I say: Damn, man, what's the matter with ur life? Is the funk bringin' ya down? and yeah...I'm really high...which means in a higher level than U! peace&go2thepsycologist! | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: deMatthijs said: On the real though, he is on a rather heavy big-band sounding trip lately. Good thing he brought in Mike Scott,
yesterday's performance lit up with great rhythm guitar.  Mike Scott over does it. I'd like Prince to get a guitarist with more life and power. I agree with your first statement in a way, though I don't think the probliem lies with Mike. I consider his playing lively (up to clearly present --- also because he was rather prominent in the mix), and his display of riffing in the performance tasteful. I absolutely dug the slick sliding in 'Nothing compares 2 u', that is as soulful as it gets! The thing is, as a guitarplayer grows as a persona, he gets capable of taking on different roles, playing horn-lines, keyboard-fuelled stabs, mostly the result of playing in small groups. With a horn-section and three keyboardists, all ingredients are plentiful as is. Bringing in Mike denses things even more, even though everyone clearly pays attention as to what to play at which moment. Renato's abilities with Prince's songmaterial had me amazed a lot on the One Nite Alone tour, and I was surely disappointed that Prince desired to hire not just one, but two extra keyboardists. Also, the horn-section gets more and more in the way of my enjoyment, this band oozes a kind of tiresome richness lately. If it were my call, I'd lose two horns and the two keyboardists. The rhythm-guitarist definately gets to stay. The remaining horn-player would be a multi-instrumentalist, like Eric Leeds, playing all horns and flutes, but only where the song substantially benefits --- Candy's role in 'Nothing compares 2 u' yesterday being a prime example.
How's that for constructive criticism...  I doubt he will listen, though  | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: Doozer said: Golly gee willakers...
If you didn't like the Ellen performance because of too many band members, go back and watch the Tavis Smiley performance. Two acoustic guitars and one voice. In the last few weeks Prince has performance twice with the masses in mind (Grammy's and Ellen) and twice with his closest supporters in mind (Smiley and Leno). He's mixin' it up. Give him credit. No. Fair enough. Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/ |
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laurarichardson said: Just admit you don't like funk. I don't like THIS kind of funk. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: laurarichardson said: Just admit you don't like funk. I don't like THIS kind of funk. Man..serious...I guess even U can't take urself ur existence must b something unbearable even 2 U, fella  | |
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go2theMax said: Man..serious...I guess even U can't take urself ur existence must b something unbearable even 2 U, fella Like I've written before, if you want to discuss an issue with me, use proper English. You're not Prince, so stop writing the way he does. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: go2theMax said: Man..serious...I guess even U can't take urself ur existence must b something unbearable even 2 U, fella Like I've written before, if you want to discuss an issue with me, use proper English. You're not Prince, so stop writing the way he does. So talk to me now. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: I kinda liked the Ellen performance and I enjoyed it a hell of a lot better than what he did on Leno, but he's just tainting his old hits with too much sound. He throws horns into everything and even puts way too much funk/blues guitar into shit. Every song is becoming a Jazz version, and that ain't cool. Not for me anyway.
I think he has way too many players on stage, and basically there's just too much music. A few instruments played well is all we need to enjoy a song. Some of the greatest songs consist of only a few band members and a few instruments. Hell, the White Stripes are two people (a guitar and drums) and they can turn out a whole crowd with just that. If the song is hot and catchy, you don't need a shit load of instuments. It becomes a distraction. I think Kiss would have been much better played with just a guitar and drums, but instead it was performed with guitars, drums, bass, keyboards, horns, harps, chimes, xylophones, cowbells, duck calls, etc. I mean, less really is more. Okay Prince, we get it. You're capable of putting together a huge musical production. Can we please go back to simpler times now? amazingly Prince continues to walk in the footsteps of Bowie's carreer. Not surprising given their love of the almighty $. Bowie massively creative in early years Bowie changes image constantly Bowie says he will never play old hits again(lol) Bowie changes bands constantly Bowie remakes hits using new sounds Bowie leads industry into internet marketing and interactivity Bowie makes a TON of cash [This message was edited Sat Mar 6 11:13:18 2004 by speculator3m] | |
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go2theMax said: EvilWhiteMale said: Like I've written before, if you want to discuss an issue with me, use proper English. You're not Prince, so stop writing the way he does. So talk to me now. Present a topic of discussion. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: jtgillia said: Hmmm...less can be more for certain kinds of songs, true. But, I loved the full sound from his large band this morning. It was that kind of sound that gave me new appreciation for "Nothing Compares 2 U". "I Feel for You" certainly sounds 10 times better as well with such a big sound, and those horns doing the keyboard parts.
This is the perfect band for him, as long as they keep Mike Scott on rhythm guitar (Prince can play lead guitar when he needs to...) Gotta have guitar in the mix! Nah, what I'd like to see is Prince with a real rock band. Why not try that? When he needs to?  whose band is it, anyway? You make Prince sound like a visitor. And this band is your idea of perfect? Sure ain't mine.... | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: jtgillia said: Hmmm...less can be more for certain kinds of songs, true. But, I loved the full sound from his large band this morning. It was that kind of sound that gave me new appreciation for "Nothing Compares 2 U". "I Feel for You" certainly sounds 10 times better as well with such a big sound, and those horns doing the keyboard parts.
This is the perfect band for him, as long as they keep Mike Scott on rhythm guitar (Prince can play lead guitar when he needs to...) Gotta have guitar in the mix! Nah, what I'd like to see is Prince with a real rock band. Why not try that? To jtgillia: When he needs to? whose band is it, anyway? You make Prince sound like a visitor. And this band is your idea of perfect? Sure ain't mine.... | |
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Hey i kind of agree with Evil! There's nothing i'd like to see more than Prince take a stripped down band. I trust you've all seen The Undertaker, to me that was fantastic. He should just go out on the road with John Blackwell and Rhonda (or get Sonny T back)
HOWEVER, (sorry Evil) If you saw Hong Kong Rocks, this band tore the shit out of 'Shh'. 'Baby I'm A Star' was crap though. Brass (and he has lots of it) filling in where the synths were doesn't really work for me. |
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EvilWhiteMale said: I kinda liked the Ellen performance and I enjoyed it a hell of a lot better than what he did on Leno, but he's just tainting his old hits with too much sound. He throws horns into everything and even puts way too much funk/blues guitar into shit. Every song is becoming a Jazz version, and that ain't cool. Not for me anyway.
I think he has way too many players on stage, and basically there's just too much music. A few instruments played well is all we need to enjoy a song. Some of the greatest songs consist of only a few band members and a few instruments. Hell, the White Stripes are two people (a guitar and drums) and they can turn out a whole crowd with just that. If the song is hot and catchy, you don't need a shit load of instuments. It becomes a distraction. I think Kiss would have been much better played with just a guitar and drums, but instead it was performed with guitars, drums, bass, keyboards, horns, harps, chimes, xylophones, cowbells, duck calls, etc. I mean, less really is more. Okay Prince, we get it. You're capable of putting together a huge musical production. Can we please go back to simpler times now? With a big band, he now has more options. He can strip down some songs and give the big band treatment to others. 'Forever in my Life' from the 'Sign o the Times' movie is a good example of that. I think Prince should do both styles. Personally though, I prefer stripped down. The emphasis is put on the music and the message and not the production. That's what I liked about 'The Truth' CD. | |
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 complain,complain,complain, that's all you people do. If you don't like the music Prince is recording now, stop listening and stop trying to find out everything you can, about the man! | |
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Marrk said: Hey i kind of agree with Evil! There's nothing i'd like to see more than Prince take a stripped down band. I trust you've all seen The Undertaker, to me that was fantastic. He should just go out on the road with John Blackwell and Rhonda (or get Sonny T back)
HOWEVER, (sorry Evil) If you saw Hong Kong Rocks, this band tore the shit out of 'Shh'. 'Baby I'm A Star' was crap though. Brass (and he has lots of it) filling in where the synths were doesn't really work for me. The Hong Kong show wasn't anything special at all. Shh was okay, but nothing fantastic. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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SPRAKA said: With a big band, he now has more options. He can strip down some songs and give the big band treatment to others. 'Forever in my Life' from the 'Sign o the Times' movie is a good example of that. I think Prince should do both styles. Personally though, I prefer stripped down. The emphasis is put on the music and the message and not the production. That's what I liked about 'The Truth' CD.
The real problem is that his big band is all over the place. They don't blend very well because he arranged things so every member is heard individually all the time. Somehow he made things work very well for SOTT and Lovesexy. I guess a big reason for that was the music was actually good back then. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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7IS4ME said: complain,complain,complain, that's all you people do. If you don't like the music Prince is recording now, stop listening and stop trying to find out everything you can, about the man!Hey, are you complaining about our complaints? "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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>To jtgillia: When he needs to?
whose band is it, anyway? You make Prince sound like a visitor. And this band is your idea of perfect? Sure ain't mine....< Different strokes for different folks I guess. As I explained, I like a large band with great horn players, a solid rhythm section, great keyboard players, and a rhythm guitarist. I guess if you don't like those things, then you won't like this band. Let's say Prince is performing a song that requires guitar in it, but he would rather be a showman (dance) or concentrate on an emotional vocal performance. With Mike Scott backing him on guitar, he has freedom to do that. Let's face it, Prince can do what he wants to do (as far as instruments). But when the man's gotta concentrate on a particular element of performance, he shouldn't feel limited by something else- he needs somebody backing him up. Without rhythm guitar, his sound is missing something. But I wouldn't want Prince to feel like he can't get away from behind his guitar. Of course, if you're all about stripped down sound, then you probably don't think much of any of this.... | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: SPRAKA said: With a big band, he now has more options. He can strip down some songs and give the big band treatment to others. 'Forever in my Life' from the 'Sign o the Times' movie is a good example of that. I think Prince should do both styles. Personally though, I prefer stripped down. The emphasis is put on the music and the message and not the production. That's what I liked about 'The Truth' CD.
The real problem is that his big band is all over the place. They don't blend very well because he arranged things so every member is heard individually all the time. Somehow he made things work very well for SOTT and Lovesexy. I guess a big reason for that was the music was actually good back then. I agree that the big reason SOTT/Lovesexy worked so well was because of the quality of the setlists. I didn't matter what kind of arrangement they were in. You were guaranteed a good show because all the songs were beauties. As far as his current band, I thought that they were great on the TV shows. I am looking forward to the new tour. | |
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