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Printablealandail said: Universaluv said: Requiring? Requiring? So Prince is holding a bop gun to your head and requiring you to break the law is he? If you have a Mac and you're so worried about breaking the law then make it known to the NPGMC. They've been pretty responsive to those concerns in the past. Otherwise, find a friend who owns a PC and burn yourself an audio cd of the tunes. If I - go to a friends house and buy a song from NPGMC - have my friend burn the song to a CD - take the CD to my house and RIP a copy into iTunes I've just broken the law before I even copy it to my iPod. Copy it to my iPod and I've broken the law again. The current planned policy requires macintosh users to break the law to listen to the music they are selling. The reason I'm posting about it here is to get more people to post about it over there. And who forced you to "rip a copy into Itunes, copy it to your iPod?" Mac users can't listen to audio cds on their macs without ripping them into itunes? How about you - place audio cd in mac and hit "play" instead of "import". That way you can not worry about the FBI coming in and taking you down to Guantanamo as an enemy combatant for ripping a Prince cd into a mac. | |
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theblueangel said: Actually, if you ask me it's more like NPGMC is saying to the fans that if they don't have enough income to either already own a fairly new PC or be able to acquire one, then they could care less if they get to hear the music... and then I came home from work and logged onto the NPGMC through my super-secret back door, and found THIS on the boards, posted by cosmicday (apparently I am supposed to reveal the sources of quotes to be totally legal, blah blah): cosmicday said: I think we should be grateful that we are going get the downloads at all. This something that alot of people have been wishing for for a long time. I feel sorry for people that are won't be able able to play the downloads at all, ie those running W98. I've just upgrade to XP, in preparation for the musicology section as my old computer couldn't run WMP9. Its not to much hassle to convert the files to MP3 surely. In year one I didn't have a CDR drive so had to put it all on tape, but I was just happy to get the music.
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theblueangel said:[quote] theblueangel said: and then I came home from work and logged onto the NPGMC through my super-secret back door, and found THIS on the boards, posted by cosmicday (apparently I am supposed to reveal the sources of quotes to be totally legal, blah blah):  You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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metalorange said: I don't know, but I would have thought the act of turning CDs into mp3s for using on an ipod is technically illegal - but everybody clearly does it without getting arrested! But you are still liable when the file is protected by DRM and you cicrumvent the copy protection. The content provider has the ability to check upon your behaviour and revoke your "license to listen" once you break the rules of the license or circumvent the copy protection measure. I had a brief look at this Act you mention - it seems very complicated. Basically it makes it illegal to circumnavigate the protection on these files. A lot of people seem to be up in arms about this Act.
A lot of people are and rightfully so, especially consumers and scientist who will be barred from excercising their lawful fair use rights, and other user rights, due to DRM and the DMCA, which makes it illegal to circumvent copy protection measures, even if the circumvention is done for strictly lawful purposes. Firstly, it was an American Act, if you are not American, does it have any effect on non-americans? Has every country signed upto it?
Most countries are obliged to introduce a simmilar provision in their laws, but not all have done that already. From my brief scan of it, it seems to have come about to allow companies to install protection software in their products - without the Act, they would have been infringing your public rights - so it's more for the legal benefit of the manufacturers to allow them to come up with ways to stop illegal trading of copies. It just happens to be broad enough to include other things.
No. the DMCA was enacted to fulfill the demands of mainly the movie, music and software industries to be able to legally and technically control any and everything users do with their material, even if that material isn't protected by copyright (anymore) and even if users only intend to make lawful use of the material. Secondly, realistically, the cops are not going to pursue some individual who has converted some files into mp3s, as long as it is for personal use only. The police don't have a list of protected wma files in their car, and if they hear Prince's Musicology coming out of your car stereo, they aren't going to arrest you - they might have the right, but realistically it's not going to happen. I imagine every fan on here has a Prince bootleg somewhere - which is of course illegal, but they still got it...
Only owning bootlegs is not directly unlawful. Distributing copies of bootlegs to the public however is very unlawful. And altho' the cops won't be knocking on your door very soon, you are still liable. And DRM makes it possible for the content provider to check on your behaviour and revoke your "license to listen" once you have broken the rules, even if you've only broken the rules for striclt lawful pruposes. Your file won't play anymore in that case, or other sanctions will be taken. See below for more... I agree this file format is a pain and we should let that be known - but in the end, realistically it's going to stop no one from converting files into mp3s they can use - someone always cracks the software - yeah, it's illegal, but what you gonna do?
Revoke your "license to listen", get your name and adress you gave when you signed up and send you a cease and desist lawyer letter, subpoena, or the cops/FBI. I remember years ago they were going to bring a law out to prevent you taping tv on videotape, they wanted you to destroy it after 24 hours! But it was of course unenforceable.
Yes it was unenforcable, but we are living in different times now with different technology and different lawmakers willing to listen to the absurd demands from the copyright industries to be able to check and act against every and anything users do with their material, even if if that material is not protected by copyright (anymore) and even if the user only wants to make lawful use of the material. -- [This message was edited Thu Mar 4 5:12:04 2004 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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theblueangel said: The primary concern is the erroneously perceived threat of losing money due to piracy. (We all know how much money the club could rake in if they cared to.)
Right on, bluenagel! this is exactly what it is all about. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Universaluv said: alandail said: How can it be harmless to require people to break the law. Requiring? Requiring? So Prince is holding a bop gun to your head and requiring you to break the law is he? You know he means that he is technically forced to break the law if he wants to convert files for personal use, due to the DRM license to listen scheme from the NPGMC If you have a Mac and you're so worried about breaking the law then make it known to the NPGMC. They've been pretty responsive to those concerns in the past. Otherwise, find a friend who owns a PC and burn yourself an audio cd of the tunes.
The latter would be illegal too. The first would be rather pointless if they have already made up their mind, which I'm pretty sure they did. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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alandail said: theblueangel said: Actually, if you ask me it's more like NPGMC is saying to the fans that if they don't have enough income to either already own a fairly new PC or be able to acquire one, then they could care less if they get to hear the music. The primary concern is the erroneously perceived threat of losing money due to piracy. (We all know how much money the club could rake in if they cared to.) Well, that I agree with completely - Steve Jobs figured this out - you make it easy for people to buy music online and they will. If NPGMC wants their own music store, then they should really have unprotected AAC, unprotected WMA and unprotected MP3. Let the customer get the format they want directly from the store. Why put up barriers that will cause people to either say forget it or decide it's easier to steal a copy in the format they want than to pay for it and have to try to convert it. Right and there will always be people who break the law anyway, circumvent and put the files up on a fileshare network. The good faith users however will be forced to restrictively use the files due to this "concern" of piracy, which is futile anyway, because piracy won't go away no matter how many laws and technology is used to prevent it. The only thing this will do for the NPGMC is get less customers because as usual the NPGMC is NOT customer friendly. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Puah! This thing really recalls to my mind NPGMC's first years NPGMC Player which wasn't working that well on pcs and wasn't even available for Mac! Having only a Mac at that time I simply started flooding technical assistance to know what their intentions were and they kept on answering "soon a mac version will be released" and... oh well, that's history: the NPGMC Payer disappeared short after. How come it has to be so difficult every time?  *********************************
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Also remember, it's not just iPods, Macs and old PC these won't play on, but anything non-MS, including any UNIX (like Linux, Solaris), handhelds, phones, older mp3 players... the list goes on. As to burn-them/rip-them, or any other conversion, you'll lose sound quality on already sound quality impaired files (I don't think these wma files are lossless). NPGMC once again proves they don't have a clue what they are doing, how much involvement does Prince have with them? As far as I can recall, every time I've seen Prince use a computer (in pictures, etc) it's been a Mac, so why would he tell the NPGMC to make sure only people with new windows pc's can play his songs? I think he just told them he wants a to sell music directly to his fans (not through iTunes for some unfathomable reason) and left the technical details to the technically-challenged members of the NPGMC IT staff.
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I started a poll on the U Tell Us forum - everyone please respond. Even if you are a windows user, if you ever even considered buying an iPod, you should pick option 3. Flood the poll with answers and let the NPGMC know their plans are seriously flawed.
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lulirom said: Puah! This thing really recalls to my mind NPGMC's first years NPGMC Player which wasn't working that well on pcs and wasn't even available for Mac! Having only a Mac at that time I simply started flooding technical assistance to know what their intentions were and they kept on answering "soon a mac version will be released" and... oh well, that's history: the NPGMC Payer disappeared short after. How come it has to be so difficult every time?
Oh MAN does anyone else remember how cumbersome and SLOOOOOW that stupid NPGMC player was??!! I swear that thing put the last nail in the coffin of that computer of mine...I must have installed that thing 100 times in 3 days. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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Abrazo said: Universaluv said: If you have a Mac and you're so worried about breaking the law then make it known to the NPGMC. They've been pretty responsive to those concerns in the past. Otherwise, find a friend who owns a PC and burn yourself an audio cd of the tunes. The latter would be illegal too. Please explain to me how it is illegal to use a friends PC, log on to the NPGMC with your account, purchase the songs, and burn an audio cd, provided that the license allows the burning of an audio cd (as the pp's have said it will)? | |
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Universaluv said: Abrazo said: The latter would be illegal too. Please explain to me how it is illegal to use a friends PC, log on to the NPGMC with your account, purchase the songs, and burn an audio cd, provided that the license allows the burning of an audio cd (as the pp's have said it will)? I assumed you meant to make a copy of your friend's personal files. But I see now you mean you would log in on his PC and then make a copy of your own files. That should of course be permitted, since it's lawful, but the license and DRM may nevertheless only let you download and copy files on the computer you registered your account with. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Most people aren't going to read this thread to work out the way round the DRM. hence won't bother joining / dwnloadin....
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