ThreadBare said:

I feel that too.. BUT I see Prince's side more.. Imagine EVERY Young Musican around you.. always doubting themselves.. Prince in the 1980's always seems to give unknown/not really experienced people a chance.

Prince must just ignore the first 30 minutes after he gave Sheila E, Appollonia, ect.. complaining they can't do this, because they never did before ( JUST LIKE Kevin did!) I think Prince loves to show people they can do things they neer thought they would even try and be successful at it! Completing something you thought you could never do is a great happy moment!

I think Kevin has a comfort zone and when Prince pushed his buttons to try somethig new he freaked just like Sheila E did or whoever! ((( also if you hear Scott Mosier talk on all the commentary tracks.. he even says Kevin always puts himself down and thinks he cant do it)))

I think Prince just ignores "I can't do this" because he knows in a day or so.. that same person will be trying something new! Imagine if Prince said this and put up excuses not to learn ALL the different musical instruments!

Also.. in that DVD, Prince asked Kevin if he could make a non-R Rated Movie without all the swearing...

Kevin's new movie is a PG13 Movie called "Jersey Girl". sooo maybe Prince rubbed off on Kevin a little to try something NOT in his safe zone!

locoarts said:

Prince also has had moments in his career when he's refused to step out of his comfort zone. "We Are the World?" Not just at the original taping, but also the American Music Award tribute during the 90s, too.

Also, Kevin Smith is an accomplished filmmaker. I don't think the "Prince as coach" argument really applies here. He wanted to USE Smith to make an ill-planned, poorly conceived documentary about a Celebration. And, Prince wasn't even cooperating. The whole point of Smith's story isn't how "Prince helped broaden my artistic vision." It's about how unrealistic, unreliable and unprofessional he was.

If I can Nutshell this topic.. where the "crossroads" passing of MJ & Prince happened.

Prince was doing an act to "pretend" to be strange from the Prince Album - Purple Rain (but 95% of the interviews of Prince were in 1983-1985 at award shows & promotion for the Purple Rain movie)

MJ clearly watched this.. and copied it! ALL of a sudden he wouldn't talk as much, put Tabloid Stories out there to give the impression he was strange.. a strange genious (( everything Prince was doing in 1985)) MJ started doing this for Captian EO promotion with the "oxygen chamber" in 1986 which started the ball rolling down to where we are NOW! He light the wick to this "Jacko Bomb" the media jumped in & he would stop either.. he is clearly addicted.

* BUT here is were the Story ended with Prince on this "odd personality" as soon as Around the World in a Day came out in late 1985-ish.. Prince was less & less odd! By 1986 he was done with that "acting" as he said in the Chris Rock interview in 1997 that is was an act.

** for some reason after Purple Rain the movie made $80 Million, mostly because Prince won an Oscar & his OWN Sister Janet failing at the "Jackson Style" on her first 2 albums.. then she copies Prince in 1986-2004 she is huge.. SOMEWHERE in Michael Jackson's mind he ignored HIS personality..a clear different personality in Off the wall & Thriller albums, videos & award show public personalities.. and TURNED into the "Quiet, Odd, Genious, Freak" PRINCE Personality.. Prince did for his 1999-Purple Rain Era of promotion?

That is where Michael Jackson & Prince crossed! Prince was doing an act.. plus WE all clearly knew Prince's sexuality.. even though he was do "odd things" in the media/award shows.. all the makeup, high heels, female style clothes.. WE knew he was with women! We knew he was with Vanity & a ton of other women.

When Michael Jackson copied "prince personality" .. WE didn't know what he liked sexually.. He had Emanual Lewis on his lap! (( which started the bad press)) dont mix Prince with little boys... thats what gave the impression WE all have Today!

watch old Award Shows after the Purple Rain 1985 American Music awards.. by 1986 & Parade.. prince was back on that same award show and he could talk normal .. no shy act..nothing! He was a normal dude.

For some reason Michael Jackson ignored this and copied Prince's Personality, His Make-Up, His Hair, His Skin Tone in 1987 with BAD? I mean he clearly has a huge hard-on for Prince? is it because the american public LOVED his movie & MJ can't even make one?? Is it because Prince won an Oscar & MJ will never win one?? & also is it because his sister Janet became HUGE and finally broke out on her own with Prince style Producers and image??

But something snapped in MJ's head to ignore his HUGE 40 Million Album Sold Thriller Fame and step by step follow/copy Prince & his personality of 1984 IN 1986-on? I mean there is a ton of examples ( his sons.. he says are named Prince but if you look on the debbie rowe divorce papers they are listed am Michael Joseph Jackson jr also MJ in 1995 on the History Album started having HIS own "symbol",etc...etc.)

I think copying Prince's personality from the 1983-85 era & putting tabloid stories in the public eye everyother week for almost 15 years.. IS the reason most think MJ is strange. WE never new his sexual feeling & desires.. so when you see him with little boys as friends THEN add you pretending to be the 1983-85 Prince.

the world will start to wonder.

** IF you think back when Prince was acting like the "1983-1985 Era Prince" HE too was getting odd/bad media coverage.. he was getting tabloid stories...

I would defend anyone who had allegations against them until they were proven guilty.

locoarts said:

Prince continued to encourage the air of mystery about himself, and displayed unconventional behaviour deliberately designed to puzzle the general public and court publicity well after 'Purple Rain'. Examples include: creating an alter-ego called Camille, recording 'The Black Album' to be released anonymously - then pulling it at the last moment and explaining it by spinning a myth, continually re-inventing his image with an unconventional appearance, changing his performing name to an unpronounceable symbol, appearing in public with 'Slave' scrawled on his face, agreeing to give an interview and then appearing in a mask and refusing to say a word ... There may have been other motives behind these actions too, but the acting wasn't over in 1986.

Prince is merely seen as that other weirdo from the eighties, at least in my country he is. Funny little man, bit of a freak, dresses, looks and sings like a woman, wears make-up, writes cryptic messages on his face, probably gay etc.

The only difference to the general public is, MJ's a weirdo who's made a tonne of classic hits, Prince is a weirdo who hasn't (the majority of British people would struggle to hum you a single Prince track)...
[This message was edited Tue Mar 2 2:08:17 2004 by MattyJam]

MattyJam said:

Not too sure. I think most people would (obviously not the real young 'uns), but it'd be one track, and in fact just one sentence - "just want your extra time and your..."

He is definitely seen as a bit of an eccentric freak, but i think in a marginally cooler way than MJ (because Prince was overtly sexual in his wearing of heels & unconventional clothers etc., whereas MJ's eccentricities seemed to be totally devoid of any sexual content. Glove, oxygen tent, chimps, blah-de-blah.)

Anyway, I wouldn't defend Prince against allegations. I don't know the guy. I'd defend his right to being treated as innocent 'till proven guilty but that's it.

it was impossible for many reasons but does anyone think that a friendship with Prince would have help/ save MJ's mind & art?... I was thinking about that when I watched P joking and having fun after his wonderful performance at Jay Leno's show

jn2 said:

I don't see anything wrong with MJ's art. Aside from Privacy, Cry and The Lost Children he turned in a fine set of songs with his last album.

Se7en said:

I know Prince isn't perfect and really I, too can't picture him with no 12 and 13 year old boys, or like a couple of you guys mentioned Kobe, what I am saying is it still could have very well happened to him like it is happening to MJ and Kobe Bryant. If Prince would have slipped like they did he could be going to this media crap as well. The thing I said about Michael dangling his baby, I really feel like he was not trying to harm the child in anyway, but when you are holding a child like that over a balcony 4 stories high, I don't care how tight you are holding him and how many fans are out there who want to see him, something could've went wrong and he could have dropped the baby, even if it was an accident, what difference would it had made if the baby was dead. And as far as Michael talents, I am not denying that he as been the a talent since he was young. I will always be a fan of Off the wall and Thriller, and even Bad, but because of all the allegations, it happening to him 10 years ago and 10 years later, I can't look at him for only his talent alone like Prince. I have heard Prince in the past on tv appearances lip-sync to his record before, but he can do that because in concert and on most tv appearances he is singing live and I and probably everybody else would know if he was doing a Britney Spears. He proved he still had it at the Grammys. I know Prince isn't perfect. I know about Prince liking underage girls (Mayte was 16 when he met her), but nobody came forward back then or now and said I slept with Prince when I was a minor and he didn't get caught on tape like R Kelly did or he raped me. What's done in the dark doesn't count until it comes to light, then it makes a difference. Prince could've been on the Martin Bashir interview and said it's ok to be forceful (rape) with women or anything else some of us look at as abnormal as MJ saying it's ok to sleep in the same bed as children. I know it's MJ's face and he can do what he wants with it, but I am really disappointed with all the plastic surgeries he's had, he's only claiming 2, but that's a bunch of bulls---. Prince could've done the same thing if he wasn't happy with his looks. Yes, he's done some weird stuff, like the changing his name to something we can't pronounce and stuff, but it hasn't made the headlines that MJ has. I guess I keep shaking my head over and over because I never thought 20 years later that Michael would mess himself up like this and my answer to my own topic to Prince is no I would not defend him if he was doing the same thing MJ was, I think I still would be a fan of his music, his old music really, and if it came out that he as guilty, I feel like he should pay the price and go to prison like anybody else.