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i would love it if prince went electro. a la peaches. | |
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DMSR said: "Musicology" has been written a hundred times before, but much better. It's time to drop the horns and the 1 chord jams and come up with something a little more original. I can see anyone down at the local jazz bar play this type of "new stuff".
Prince used to be original and a leader in pop music.. Now I feel he's "grown up" into his Dad's music and is merely a band leader for a band of interchangeable session musicians. Sure there great "musicians" in a Berkelee College of Music kind of way, but where's the personality? the originality? Being a technically proficient musician does not make a great musician. (Keith Richards never won any technical awards that's for sure, and he only uses 5 strings!) I'm hoping I'll hear some new sounds on the new disc, but I have a feeling I'd rather put on James Brown and Sly Stone records to get the music he's dishing these days..I can't see myself grooving at a party singing "musicology" I mean how corny can you get! Preach bro', preach!!! | |
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FutureShock said: DMSR said: "Bring the family?!" What's next.. little kids onstage like a Michael Jackson concert?
The dirty little Prince is gone forever, maybe he'll come back, I'll put on Sign O the Times double Cd and hope he comes back...Until then I've got to watch a G rated imposter! You FINALLY admitted it... you finally spit it out. It's not so much the JB sound thats bothering you... it's not so much the horns irking your nerves. What's REALLY bothering you is that the "dirty little Prince is gone". Your argument is a microcosm of what is wrong with many, many Prince fans the world over. What some of you all really miss more than the "music", more than the "sound"... more than anything is the "RudeBoy dirty little Prince". Well in case you haven't gotten a clue by now... I have a big news flash for you "DMSR" and others who are suffering from the same problem. DIRTY LITTLE PRINCE IS DEAD! GONE FOREVER! And if you've been sticking around the past several years hoping that your dirty little Prince is going to come back (and bitching and complaining in the mean time)... well then, you may as well turn in your "Prince-fan card" and get on the next thing leaving town. The Prince from 1984 ain't coming back! I don't know how many times that has to be said and in how many different ways it has to be said before it starts to sink in for some people. Please just get over it or stop pretending to be a fan, because you're not. In reality, you're just a fan of an era which doesn't exist anymore. Meanwhile, by sticking around places like Prince.org, the only purpose you're serving is to get on other people's nerves. If that's how you get your kicks, then oh well... but I really fail to understand why some of you frequent a fan site of an artist whose music you no longer care for. Nahhh that's a bunch of BS, I've been a fan longer than you've been alive and he IS playing "Shhh" which I think is one of the dirtiest songs he's written, and DMSR and Controversy, I'm not sure if he's changed the lyrics, but he's still playin em. If he wants to write songs like these anymore remains to be seen, I'm not askin for 1984, but I'm not askin for James Brown at the Appollo either.. Prince acts like he's moving forward with his music, when he is actually moving back, way back to his high school days before he formed his OWN sound and became a ground breaking artist... ______________________________________________
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violator said: DMSR said: "Musicology" has been written a hundred times before, but much better. It's time to drop the horns and the 1 chord jams and come up with something a little more original. I can see anyone down at the local jazz bar play this type of "new stuff".
Prince used to be original and a leader in pop music.. Now I feel he's "grown up" into his Dad's music and is merely a band leader for a band of interchangeable session musicians. Sure there great "musicians" in a Berkelee College of Music kind of way, but where's the personality? the originality? Being a technically proficient musician does not make a great musician. (Keith Richards never won any technical awards that's for sure, and he only uses 5 strings!) I'm hoping I'll hear some new sounds on the new disc, but I have a feeling I'd rather put on James Brown and Sly Stone records to get the music he's dishing these days..I can't see myself grooving at a party singing "musicology" I mean how corny can you get! Preach bro', preach!!! Damn, that really is a good point. Preach indeed. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Um, how could anyone have a problem with the horns? The horns are awesome. The only problem I have right now is that there's not enough guitar in the mix. Prince music just isn't the same without electric guitar in the mix! | |
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milkshake said: .
i would love it if prince went electro. a la peaches. imagining p doin a remake of "fuck the pain away"...  | |
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At the beginning of his career, Prince made a conscious decision to use synths instead of horns because horns were everywhere. Today synths are everywhere and Prince wants to use horns. Prince's synth lines had become very uninspired and dowright cheesy. So far, his reliance on horns has produced mixed results. He tends to overuse them, but look at something like The Other Side of the Pillow on ONAlive -- this is top notch... it could be a lost cut from Small Club.
As for him referencing JB, I think by now it should be clear that Prince has always suffered form Multiple Musical Personality Disorder. Think Sybil, in purely musical terms. Prince wants to keep this music alive -- he thinks someone should still be writing songs in a JB vibe in 2004. I tend to agree though I'm not sure about the results. I thought The Work was very successful musically. Perhaps fans are even less impressed because he also picked a JB jam as the first single off his last major record. [This message was edited Sat Feb 28 14:29:10 2004 by Aerogram] | |
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I wis he would tone it down w/ the horns, definatley. I don't mind them with some songs, when they're needed like with say "The Everlasting Now", but he just has them dominate the music now a days and it's way too much. I can't wait to see him on this tour, I havent seen him since the 2000 Hit N Run tour, but I'm hesitant also because I don't want to have to sit there and hear Maceo Parker playing the fucking sax for a 20 minute solo every other song. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 6, 6... | |
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DMSR said: FutureShock said: You FINALLY admitted it... you finally spit it out. It's not so much the JB sound thats bothering you... it's not so much the horns irking your nerves. What's REALLY bothering you is that the "dirty little Prince is gone". Your argument is a microcosm of what is wrong with many, many Prince fans the world over. What some of you all really miss more than the "music", more than the "sound"... more than anything is the "RudeBoy dirty little Prince". Well in case you haven't gotten a clue by now... I have a big news flash for you "DMSR" and others who are suffering from the same problem. DIRTY LITTLE PRINCE IS DEAD! GONE FOREVER! And if you've been sticking around the past several years hoping that your dirty little Prince is going to come back (and bitching and complaining in the mean time)... well then, you may as well turn in your "Prince-fan card" and get on the next thing leaving town. The Prince from 1984 ain't coming back! I don't know how many times that has to be said and in how many different ways it has to be said before it starts to sink in for some people. Please just get over it or stop pretending to be a fan, because you're not. In reality, you're just a fan of an era which doesn't exist anymore. Meanwhile, by sticking around places like Prince.org, the only purpose you're serving is to get on other people's nerves. If that's how you get your kicks, then oh well... but I really fail to understand why some of you frequent a fan site of an artist whose music you no longer care for. Nahhh that's a bunch of BS, I've been a fan longer than you've been alive and he IS playing "Shhh" which I think is one of the dirtiest songs he's written, and DMSR and Controversy, I'm not sure if he's changed the lyrics, but he's still playin em. If he wants to write songs like these anymore remains to be seen, I'm not askin for 1984, but I'm not askin for James Brown at the Appollo either.. Prince acts like he's moving forward with his music, when he is actually moving back, way back to his high school days before he formed his OWN sound and became a ground breaking artist... You've been a fan longer than I've been alive??? If that's the case, you must've been a fan since Prince was in Middle School... otherwise it would be impossible. But in any case, your argument is still weak because you're saying you don't want another James Brown type song as if every other song that Prince writes is a "James Brown-type song". And that simply isn't true. Since what... 1998/1999 Prince has written a grand total of 3 songs that are reminiscent of James Brown. Prettyman, The Work, and now Musicology come to mind. And in your assessment, the creation of those 3 songs in your mind automatically means Prince is "moving backwards"??? Just because of three songs???!!! Out of how many others in that same time frame? If that's the way your mind works, all I can say is Wow! Let me guess... in your mind, N.E.W.S. was "crap" right? I think you can probably save yourself some heartache by seriously examining your reasons for still being a fan. It seems to me that you're probably holding on to false hope at this point. "You've got to believe in something... why not believe in me?" | |
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IMHO Musicology is a very well-calculated song to attract the people Prince is trying to attract. In other words, it's not 4 the fans!!! The average music listener has not heard a Prince song since...TGR..and b4 that..I hate U..and b4 that tmbgitw..nobody knows about the work,prettyman.or any other jb-type song 4 that matter.in all of our minds we want the others to see what we see. how many times in a thread have we seen "we wish he would put out this and that then he would be successful? 2-3 years ago there was a campaign 4 vavoom to be put out 2 the masses. and the list goes on and on. vavoom,high, and the others would not appeal to the average adult music listener. why was sampeling so popular? because it gav u the feeling of the old-days with something new 2 it (rap). that's what musicology does. minus the rap. and thank god 4 that!!!!! we all suffer from being fans because we know every last arrangement,hornparts,guitar solo..etc..etc..
by the way did anybody catch madhouse 5 in musicology? minor keys and drugs don't make a rollerskate jam | |
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warning2all said: DMSR said: "Musicology" has been written a hundred times before, but much better. It's time to drop the horns and the 1 chord jams and come up with something a little more original. I can see anyone down at the local jazz bar play this type of "new stuff".
Prince used to be original and a leader in pop music.. Now I feel he's "grown up" into his Dad's music and is merely a band leader for a band of interchangeable session musicians. Sure there great "musicians" in a Berkelee College of Music kind of way, but where's the personality? the originality? Being a technically proficient musician does not make a great musician. (Keith Richards never won any technical awards that's for sure, and he only uses 5 strings!) I'm hoping I'll hear some new sounds on the new disc, but I have a feeling I'd rather put on James Brown and Sly Stone records to get the music he's dishing these days..I can't see myself grooving at a party singing "musicology" I mean how corny can you get! I think you're way off. The horn charts are to the current music what synth lines were to his 80's music. They've esentially replaced them.Synths are cold-horns are organic. His music is fuller and richer with horns. They fuel his music. Listen to" D&P"-those songs would be better without horns. Without horns-you get: "Rave"; or a tendancy to go overboard and compensate with keyboards and drums: "Emancipation". Imagine "Newpower Soul" without horns! A Prince "James Brown" take adds flavor to a record. What "Housequake" does forr SOTT, or "Sexy MF did for "Symbol. It's about adding flavor and texture to an overall album-not wether it's better than a James Brown track. You're being too picky and closed minded. ----- Gee. It is good to see someone on this board has sense. Drop the horns that only playing the Synths parts that Prince used in the 80's . Only on Prince org (LOL) | |
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laurarichardson said: warning2all said: I think you're way off. The horn charts are to the current music what synth lines were to his 80's music. They've esentially replaced them.Synths are cold-horns are organic. His music is fuller and richer with horns. They fuel his music. Listen to" D&P"-those songs would be better without horns. Without horns-you get: "Rave"; or a tendancy to go overboard and compensate with keyboards and drums: "Emancipation". Imagine "Newpower Soul" without horns! A Prince "James Brown" take adds flavor to a record. What "Housequake" does forr SOTT, or "Sexy MF did for "Symbol. It's about adding flavor and texture to an overall album-not wether it's better than a James Brown track. You're being too picky and closed minded. ----- Gee. It is good to see someone on this board has sense. Drop the horns that only playing the Synths parts that Prince used in the 80's . Only on Prince org (LOL)  minor keys and drugs don't make a rollerskate jam | |
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FutureShock said: DMSR said: Nahhh that's a bunch of BS, I've been a fan longer than you've been alive and he IS playing "Shhh" which I think is one of the dirtiest songs he's written, and DMSR and Controversy, I'm not sure if he's changed the lyrics, but he's still playin em. If he wants to write songs like these anymore remains to be seen, I'm not askin for 1984, but I'm not askin for James Brown at the Appollo either.. Prince acts like he's moving forward with his music, when he is actually moving back, way back to his high school days before he formed his OWN sound and became a ground breaking artist... You've been a fan longer than I've been alive??? If that's the case, you must've been a fan since Prince was in Middle School... otherwise it would be impossible. But in any case, your argument is still weak because you're saying you don't want another James Brown type song as if every other song that Prince writes is a "James Brown-type song". And that simply isn't true. Since what... 1998/1999 Prince has written a grand total of 3 songs that are reminiscent of James Brown. Prettyman, The Work, and now Musicology come to mind. And in your assessment, the creation of those 3 songs in your mind automatically means Prince is "moving backwards"??? Just because of three songs???!!! Out of how many others in that same time frame? If that's the way your mind works, all I can say is Wow! Let me guess... in your mind, N.E.W.S. was "crap" right? I think you can probably save yourself some heartache by seriously examining your reasons for still being a fan. It seems to me that you're probably holding on to false hope at this point. He wrote more than 3 James Brown influenced songs in these years and also added JB flourishes in concert to existing songs. There's an argument he's sticking too much to the original sound and not putting his stamp on it, like he did with Housequake. If remembering how he approached the same style years ago is being a bad fan, then so be it. There's more to the "old" Prince than "Dirty little Prince". | |
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Aerogram said: FutureShock said: You've been a fan longer than I've been alive??? If that's the case, you must've been a fan since Prince was in Middle School... otherwise it would be impossible. But in any case, your argument is still weak because you're saying you don't want another James Brown type song as if every other song that Prince writes is a "James Brown-type song". And that simply isn't true. Since what... 1998/1999 Prince has written a grand total of 3 songs that are reminiscent of James Brown. Prettyman, The Work, and now Musicology come to mind. And in your assessment, the creation of those 3 songs in your mind automatically means Prince is "moving backwards"??? Just because of three songs???!!! Out of how many others in that same time frame? If that's the way your mind works, all I can say is Wow! Let me guess... in your mind, N.E.W.S. was "crap" right? I think you can probably save yourself some heartache by seriously examining your reasons for still being a fan. It seems to me that you're probably holding on to false hope at this point. He wrote more than 3 James Brown influenced songs in these years and also added JB flourishes in concert to existing songs. There's an argument he's sticking too much to the original sound and not putting his stamp on it, like he did with Housequake. If remembering how he approached the same style years ago is being a bad fan, then so be it. There's more to the "old" Prince than "Dirty little Prince". I'm not trying to make this into a "good" vs "bad" fan issue. I'm simply saying that from reading several posts on this site, it appears to me that many so-called "fans" really haven't truly liked anything that Prince has done in the past several years. And in my mind, I'm thinking "at what point does a fan stop being a fan???" Whether you call it "dirty little Prince" "old" Prince whatever... you're still talking about the past either way you slice it. So it just begs the question that in 5 more years are you still going to be coming to Prince.org saying " I sure wish my 'old dirty little Prince' will return"??? I mean that's just crazy. Like I said, people thinking like that are holding on to false hope. "You've got to believe in something... why not believe in me?" | |
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