I just think it's a waste of money if it's not enjoyed. If you like his shows and new music, then hey, buy it all. But if you're gonna exit a show pissed off or let the CD collect dust, then it's wasted support. I love most of Prince's years and I will always respect him for what he's accomplished, but I refuse to spend one more dollar on what I feel is crap. There was a time when I would buy anything with his name on it, but luckily I grew out of that phase.

EvilWhiteMale said:

It's strange, but last night I played the RAVE CD and it wasn't bad -- I thought the CD was half baked when I bought . When I first bought the Black Album I did not like it at all -- It sat on the shelf for years before I played it again-- now I love it -- go figure.

Evil white male , whats a gibil ? ie your signature backwards reads:

rise up o god of fire,gibil in thy majesty and devour my enemies

Evil is a very interesting person.

Evilwhitemale, I kind of understand where you r coming from with alot of you comments,the main thing that I disagree with is the fact that you say that Prince has lost his classic sound.I think that because he doesn't make songs that sound like his most popular songs people feel dissapointed.He can't make the same kind of songs all the time. He has 2 many songs going through his head all the time. He is truely blessed in that sense. I must admit that I buy every album that he puts out. Not because I'm a fanatic or anything like that. I just thing that he is a far superior musician than 90% of the artists out here now, and even his least popular work will still put theirs to shame.

Can we honestly say that Prince has a classic sound? I think that point alone could generate many different arguments
It sounds like Prince has left behind what was classic to you and I can understand why some of us can love an era or an album so much that we yearn for more of the same. I agree with what you said earlier about Prince thinking that the Rainbow Children was better than PR or SOTT. As the artist, he has every right to feel that way. I'm sure his current stuff holds a certain meaning and relevance to him that would be very difficult for us to understand. We could never see or hear the music the way he does.
I remember MJ saying that in many ways he felt that Invincible was superior to Thriller .
I also dig the Chilli Peppers and think they continue to make great stuff. But as far as preserving a fan base, I think Prince cares as much for new recruits as the old school folks. When you've got so much to offer, someone's always gonna feel left out. my

It's funny, I was having a conversation with a friend today who was going on and on about how he likes Cher, and how her last tour was so great, and blah blah blah. And I responded by saying, "yeah, I liked her back when she dressed like an Indian and was singing 'Shopping A to Z', and he was all like, "well, you need to stop living in the past and appreciate what she's doing now."

And I thought about it. And I said: NO. I really don't have to do that at all.

If an artist's output after a certain point is useless to you, why waste energy railing against it or, for that matter, force yourself to enjoy it when you know you don't?

For me, nothing will ever touch Prince's output from the beginning up to 1990. That's just how it is to me. That said, I think it's great that over the past few years I've gotten to hear a piano album, a live album (finally), an instrumental album, and all the other stuff. Have these releases been as exciting as what I consider to be the "glory days" projects? Naw. The zeitgeist just ain't there anymore. Not to mention I'm older now, and a new Prince album isn't as exciting to me as it used to be.

Lots of factors to think about, I guess. But at the end of the day, it is what it is, and you like what you like, and you don't like what you don't like. Right?

raider1 said:

I think in his mind, every album he puts out is better than the last. He probably thinks TRC is better than Purple Rain or Sign O The Time, combined.

Why DO you still come here?

Actually, I was gonna agree with you about buying everything the man puts out. I'm not into Princestrumentals nor do I want another Prince R&B album ala NPS. If I knew that was coming I wouldn't buy it. The same goes for another Hit'N Run type tour like the one in 2001. However, I wouldn't write him off for good, nor get mad at him because he's forever changing. Sometimes he has to take a few steps backwards to move forwards. Now if he strung together a few albums with the same stuff on it I would be worried. Even then, I'd get over it and move on.

I can understand how those who didn't like TRC have lost patience because his last quality cd before that was the Truth album. Any good album he will make in the future will be different than those of the 80's. He's mature now and has evolved as well he should. He may be fun again some day but it'll be different.

You know, I've gained new respect for EWM, he's made some very intelligent points in this thread.

First of all, before I get into the main issue in this thread, I just have to say I think it's totally unfair when ppl point out other bands who have been more consistent in comparison to Prince.

It's just not fair imo, because Prince has released a new album almost every single year since '78, as opposed to a lot of these other bands. Also, as everyone knows, Prince relys on pretty much only himself to create the music on these albums, so it's only natural the music will be more hit and miss when it's basically one man's mind responsible for it.

To be honest, I'm not really sure what's happened to Prince's musical ingenuity since '95.

Maybe it's because he just lacked focus and direction since the fight and subsequent exit from WB?

That'd at least explain why his last work accepted by the majority of fans/critics as a great album was TGE.

Really, I think it's just that after the split, Prince was like a spoiled child who lacked focus and didn't have more sensible minds guiding his brilliance down the right path. It's as if Prince just kept releasing music without even feeling inspired to anymore.

Now though, he really doesn't seem that far off from making another great album.

TRC, for example, was just so very close to being a great album to me.

If only it wasn't such an overly preachy theme piece with the mellow jazzy sounds I don't personally like, songs like Last December and 1+1+1=3 would've made this another great Prince album to me.

So really, I think he's still very capable altogether, because TRC showed me that he still has great songs left in him. It's just a matter of it all coming together properly with coherent direction on the next album.

Prince's brilliance since leaving WB has seemed sporadic and lacking that clear direction, but he's still a great artist in the end, so it's possible.

Well I have a question for you evil white male.
Every post I read of yours is negative in one way or another.
If prince is so bad and his concerts and albums now suck so much,
why do you spend so much time here???
This is a serious question. ( not sarcastic)
TURN THE STATION!!!

This is my opinion of it.....to me..THE RAINBOW CHILDREN and the live CD and piano CD restored PRINCE to me...after his NEW POWER SOUL CD in 98, I gave up on him. I think he is playing some of the best music of his career, defnitely..TRC is his best disc since 1987 SOTT. I love TRC. Prince has NEVER been a consistent artist in nothing he has done other than his live performances..I am enjoying "rediscovering" him..so I'm excited and will be supporting him 100 percent

Evil - you make a good point 4 sure.
However, I am never COMPLETELY dissatisfied with any of his albums. There's ALWAYS a redeeming point, a jem within the rubble, that makes it worth spending the $$$ on the album.

So yeah, even if Musicology is "shit", it won't stink bad enough for me to stay away.

Bull said:

All a matter of opinion. I just think his sound has become very dull, and his spark is gone. I guarantee you that if Prince were to start his career now with this music, nobody would pay him any mind.

I've bought all of the Chilli Peppers cd's as of late as well, but BY THE WAY was a crappy album. I could listen to 2 or 3 cuts on it, the Greatest Hits cd was much better. There is a big obvious difference btwn Prince & the Chilli Peppers...the core of the Chilli Peppers usually remains the same, Prince's bands change every 3 - 5 years, not to mention how often his music changes. I love the Chilli Peppers as well, but Prince is on a whole other Higher Ground . Prince has a broader range in what he can do & will try. I do not agree with everything Prince puts out but the guys has the balls to challenge his fans instead of playing it safer like say U2 or the Chilli Peppers.... we usally know what 2 expect from them. I loved TRC & a lot of stuff on RAVE & COME. I've been 2 a few concerts of Prince's & I've never left disappointed by any of his shows.N.E.W.S. wasn't my fave from the man but there are some great jams in the mix.

EvilWhiteMale said:

what the heck does GIBIL mean?

I had a whole thought (or 2) written out then I saw the avatar and the screen name. I shouldn't be expending energy on this now. But what does libig mean?

If he put out just one good album, I'd be happy for quite some time. I think the problem is he's on this shitty jazz/funk trip, that only appeals to a small group of music fans. I'd much rather he attempt a pop/rock album again.

If he put out just one good album, I'd be happy for quite some time. I think the problem is he's on this shitty jazz/funk trip, that only appeals to a small group of music fans. I'd much rather he attempt a pop/rock album again.

It's amusing to hear complaints about people's musical tastes being stuck in the past, when Prince's appear to be stuck too.

Prince was switching his sound around pretty drastically in the 80's as well, but each album had alot of fresh and distinct sounds, some redeeming value.

Musicology (yes even the live version) just sounds like generic funk to me. NEWS...If I didnt know that was a Prince album, I would have thought it was background music for a PBS special or something.

To get back to the question of this thread, I passed on ONA DVD, as well as NEWS. Of course I'm curious to preview the Musicology album as a whole, but I won't buy it either if its boring.

You're free to express your opinion EWM although it never changes much and is always begging for attention. There is a sight that's screaming your name though..... it's based around an artist you like more than prince I would assume..... ... ..... can you guess who I'm gonna say?















































































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[This message was edited Thu Feb 26 22:30:08 2004 by PEJ]

I definitely agree with your last point. I would LOVE to hear Prince ROCKIN' again!!
But you know what?? We could still get that in the near future with the way dude switches gears so often.

[color=mediumpurple:2c13bd265d]Trust me...I'm DYING for a pop/rock album again. Just dying for it.

I even made a thread about this, saying how I hope he scraps the mellow, jazzy sounds.

I really like Musicology and songs like 1+1+1=3, but fuck, I'd kill for this.[/color]

It's amusing to hear complaints about people's musical tastes being stuck in the past, when Prince's appear to be stuck too.

Prince was switching his sound around pretty drastically in the 80's as well, but each album had alot of fresh and distinct sounds, some redeeming value.

Musicology (yes even the live version) just sounds like generic funk to me. NEWS...If I didnt know that was a Prince album, I would have thought it was background music for a PBS special or something.

To get back to the question of this thread, I passed on ONA DVD, as well as NEWS. Of course I'm curious to preview the Musicology album as a whole, but I won't buy it either if its boring.