yep -
4 sho will i
4evah buy whatevah
is released by Prince . . .

the collection has to be complete and will be part of my will . . . someday.

hello, my name is Lenae and i AM a Prince addict

and the group says -"Hi Lenaaaaae"

As long as I have money, Prince will get some of it

Yes, and the last one is the most intelligent of 'em all!
[This message was edited Thu Feb 26 12:01:50 2004 by calldapplwondery83]

Lenae said:

There is help for those who need it.

NPGLOVER said:

Like a Prince tax?

EWM, you´ve started a thread on the Prince forum...How sweet!

I THINK WHAT DISSAPOINTS PEOPLE THE MOST IS THAT WE US PRINCE FANS EXPECT NOTHING BUT THE BEST BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT HE IS CAPABLE OF COMING OUT WITH A GREAT CD BUT IN THE PAST HE HAS JUST BEEN TRYING DIFFERENT KINDS OF MUSIC THIS IS WHAT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASKED CAN HE COME OUT WITH ANOTHER CD LIKE PURPLE RAIN LIKE THE GOLD CD LIKE THE DIRTY MIND ERA .

Like Anxiety, I've never seen a bad live show outta Prince and I gotta live with his albums for alot longer than a year before I can decide what I think of them. Hell, when ATWIAD came out I initially thought it was a total waste with only one good single. I've since revised my opinion.

I can't begin to tell you how many of his songs I initally hated are now all time faves, while there's a slew of others that I thought were "instant classics" that I now ignore. So basically, yeah he'll get my dollas this year and probably next. Sure it's a crapshoot, but I've won alot more than Ive lost in this game.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Once again don't turn your opinion as general concensus and whay did you do a thread like that if not for the sake of provocation?

I guess I know your answer: I touched your hero so you are mean to me!!!

Hello, All! New to the site and wanted to weigh in. When the Cowboys were 1 and 15, I hung in there and got three Superbowl Championships. Prince might gift me with another 'Sign O The Times'. I'm hanging in there with him. I've been a fan for 26 years and it's hard to let go.

Also, I think Prince is very capable of competing with today's music, considering that today's music -- with very, very few exceptions -- is crap. His mistakes in the past may have been his need to collaborate with other artists (see the horrible duets on RaveUn2) and embracing rap…when he can't rap. But even when the albums were not so great, you could always find a jewel or two among the jibberish ('And God Created Woman', 'Anastasia', 'Joy In Repitition', 'The Question of U'). I heart Prince…whether he loses his chops or not, I'll continue to support him.
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[This message was edited Thu Feb 26 12:35:37 2004 by Joi]

Evil White Male - it sounds like its time for you to move on - leave Prince behind. You sound like one those people that prefers bands that play the music they played 20 years ago - there are enough of those bands out there - they never went on to anything new and still manage to draw an audience by playing there old music.

Personally - I 100% enjoy prince's new music. I am not saying that cuz I am an ass-kisser. I am saying it because its true. I have always found that Prince is one step ahead of where I am musically and he hasn't disappointed me yet. I am leaning more and more towards jazz - and prince is experimenting in that direction - was nominated for a grammy for his efforts.

Move on - all you naysayers - move on . . .

garganta said:

Yeah, but it's not the first time.

raider1 said:

I think in his mind, every album he puts out is better than the last. He probably thinks TRC is better than Purple Rain or Sign O The Time, combined.

klaatu said:

I think it's a legitimate question. Some people really don't like him these days, yet they can't resist buying the albums and going to the shows. It's an impulse.

Gemstoned said:

Are we not free to express our opinions here like those who love everything Prince does? Is a site not boring if everyone has the same happy things to contribute? I have indeed moved on from buying Prince's music, but that doesn't mean I can't discuss issues about him.

And about the artists who play the same thing for 20 years, what do you think Prince is still doing? He's always been doing his old stuff, cuz fans wanna hear it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as they balance a show out with new material. If Aerosmith, U2, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, or any other long lasting band does a show, they always play the hits but they throw in a bunch of songs from their latest album. And the difference between these bands and Prince is that they stay true to their classics and play new music that isn't too far from their natural formula. Some artists know how to mature, yet keep most of their fan base. Hell, the last Chilli Peppers album was a lot more mellow than what they used to do, but it still has that great Chilli Peppers sound. Prince lost his classic sound, and that's the problem I have with him.

Evil white male , whats a gibil ? ie your signature backwards reads:

rise up o god of fire,gibil in thy majesty and devour my enemies

calldapplwondery83 said:

Evil is a very interesting person.

Evilwhitemale, I kind of understand where you r coming from with alot of you comments,the main thing that I disagree with is the fact that you say that Prince has lost his classic sound.I think that because he doesn't make songs that sound like his most popular songs people feel dissapointed.He can't make the same kind of songs all the time. He has 2 many songs going through his head all the time. He is truely blessed in that sense. I must admit that I buy every album that he puts out. Not because I'm a fanatic or anything like that. I just thing that he is a far superior musician than 90% of the artists out here now, and even his least popular work will still put theirs to shame.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Can we honestly say that Prince has a classic sound? I think that point alone could generate many different arguments
It sounds like Prince has left behind what was classic to you and I can understand why some of us can love an era or an album so much that we yearn for more of the same. I agree with what you said earlier about Prince thinking that the Rainbow Children was better than PR or SOTT. As the artist, he has every right to feel that way. I'm sure his current stuff holds a certain meaning and relevance to him that would be very difficult for us to understand. We could never see or hear the music the way he does.
I remember MJ saying that in many ways he felt that Invincible was superior to Thriller .
I also dig the Chilli Peppers and think they continue to make great stuff. But as far as preserving a fan base, I think Prince cares as much for new recruits as the old school folks. When you've got so much to offer, someone's always gonna feel left out. my

It's funny, I was having a conversation with a friend today who was going on and on about how he likes Cher, and how her last tour was so great, and blah blah blah. And I responded by saying, "yeah, I liked her back when she dressed like an Indian and was singing 'Shopping A to Z', and he was all like, "well, you need to stop living in the past and appreciate what she's doing now."

And I thought about it. And I said: NO. I really don't have to do that at all.

If an artist's output after a certain point is useless to you, why waste energy railing against it or, for that matter, force yourself to enjoy it when you know you don't?

For me, nothing will ever touch Prince's output from the beginning up to 1990. That's just how it is to me. That said, I think it's great that over the past few years I've gotten to hear a piano album, a live album (finally), an instrumental album, and all the other stuff. Have these releases been as exciting as what I consider to be the "glory days" projects? Naw. The zeitgeist just ain't there anymore. Not to mention I'm older now, and a new Prince album isn't as exciting to me as it used to be.

Lots of factors to think about, I guess. But at the end of the day, it is what it is, and you like what you like, and you don't like what you don't like. Right?

Anxiety said:

Yup
I think it's great that we have so many different things to choose from now. This is what Prince wanted. To look back (and he's only 46 so there's a lot more to come) and have no regrets about "I should have tried this or that". Ya gotta love a guy who's ready and willing to take chances. And with that, you're always gonna put out stuff that people love or despise.
Ah, the beauty of art!!! Like my avatar says:
"If you want to view paradise.....simply look around and view it..."

EvilWhiteMale said:

Why DO you still come here?

Actually, I was gonna agree with you about buying everything the man puts out. I'm not into Princestrumentals nor do I want another Prince R&B album ala NPS. If I knew that was coming I wouldn't buy it. The same goes for another Hit'N Run type tour like the one in 2001. However, I wouldn't write him off for good, nor get mad at him because he's forever changing. Sometimes he has to take a few steps backwards to move forwards. Now if he strung together a few albums with the same stuff on it I would be worried. Even then, I'd get over it and move on.

I can understand how those who didn't like TRC have lost patience because his last quality cd before that was the Truth album. Any good album he will make in the future will be different than those of the 80's. He's mature now and has evolved as well he should. He may be fun again some day but it'll be different.

You know, I've gained new respect for EWM, he's made some very intelligent points in this thread.

First of all, before I get into the main issue in this thread, I just have to say I think it's totally unfair when ppl point out other bands who have been more consistent in comparison to Prince.

It's just not fair imo, because Prince has released a new album almost every single year since '78, as opposed to a lot of these other bands. Also, as everyone knows, Prince relys on pretty much only himself to create the music on these albums, so it's only natural the music will be more hit and miss when it's basically one man's mind responsible for it.

To be honest, I'm not really sure what's happened to Prince's musical ingenuity since '95.

Maybe it's because he just lacked focus and direction since the fight and subsequent exit from WB?

That'd at least explain why his last work accepted by the majority of fans/critics as a great album was TGE.

Really, I think it's just that after the split, Prince was like a spoiled child who lacked focus and didn't have more sensible minds guiding his brilliance down the right path. It's as if Prince just kept releasing music without even feeling inspired to anymore.

Now though, he really doesn't seem that far off from making another great album.

TRC, for example, was just so very close to being a great album to me.

If only it wasn't such an overly preachy theme piece with the mellow jazzy sounds I don't personally like, songs like Last December and 1+1+1=3 would've made this another great Prince album to me.

So really, I think he's still very capable altogether, because TRC showed me that he still has great songs left in him. It's just a matter of it all coming together properly with coherent direction on the next album.

Prince's brilliance since leaving WB has seemed sporadic and lacking that clear direction, but he's still a great artist in the end, so it's possible.
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Well I have a question for you evil white male.
Every post I read of yours is negative in one way or another.
If prince is so bad and his concerts and albums now suck so much,
why do you spend so much time here???
This is a serious question. ( not sarcastic)
TURN THE STATION!!!

Evil makes some very good points.
When Prince's shows used to roll into town the excitement was electric, and you were ALWAYS guaranteed to leave the show breathless. That was up until 1998. The concerts he played in the UK in 98 were a real dissapointment. Sorry to harp on about it, but I don't pay my £££££ to watch Larry Graham up on stage, or to hear Doug E Fresh murder a tune. The ONA shows were a massive step in the right direction for Prince.
As for the album, I know I'll buy it whether it's good or bad. Fuck, I have NPS and NEWS sitting in my collection - couldn't be any worse than them.....surely.

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Prince's albums may not always live up to your wildest fantasies, but they are always good and worth having to me. I'm sure he knows what's exceptionally good (Purple Rain, SOT, TRC and others), what's really good and what's okay (Old Friends For Sale, Chaos and Disorder). He ain't deaf. He knows the scoh' lol
If he happens to miss now and again, do like Jermaine Jackson said "Don't Take It Personal, Take the bitter with the sweet.'' You know?!
Peace

This is my opinion of it.....to me..THE RAINBOW CHILDREN and the live CD and piano CD restored PRINCE to me...after his NEW POWER SOUL CD in 98, I gave up on him. I think he is playing some of the best music of his career, defnitely..TRC is his best disc since 1987 SOTT. I love TRC. Prince has NEVER been a consistent artist in nothing he has done other than his live performances..I am enjoying "rediscovering" him..so I'm excited and will be supporting him 100 percent

Evil - you make a good point 4 sure.
However, I am never COMPLETELY dissatisfied with any of his albums. There's ALWAYS a redeeming point, a jem within the rubble, that makes it worth spending the $$$ on the album.

So yeah, even if Musicology is "shit", it won't stink bad enough for me to stay away.

Gemstoned said:

Gemstoned u took the words right out of my mouth

EvilWhiteMale said:

I've bought all of the Chilli Peppers cd's as of late as well, but BY THE WAY was a crappy album. I could listen to 2 or 3 cuts on it, the Greatest Hits cd was much better. There is a big obvious difference btwn Prince & the Chilli Peppers...the core of the Chilli Peppers usually remains the same, Prince's bands change every 3 - 5 years, not to mention how often his music changes. I love the Chilli Peppers as well, but Prince is on a whole other Higher Ground . Prince has a broader range in what he can do & will try. I do not agree with everything Prince puts out but the guys has the balls to challenge his fans instead of playing it safer like say U2 or the Chilli Peppers.... we usally know what 2 expect from them. I loved TRC & a lot of stuff on RAVE & COME. I've been 2 a few concerts of Prince's & I've never left disappointed by any of his shows.N.E.W.S. wasn't my fave from the man but there are some great jams in the mix.