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Thread started 02/21/04 12:52pm

chookalana

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WHY did Prince perform with Wendy?

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE THE FACT HE PERFORMED WITH HER. I ask only why did he? Prince does nothing without reason. He has not performed with her or anyone else from the Revolution since the band broke up.

Since Prince almost always has a reason for doing things, Why DID he perform with her, and ONLY with her?

Was it:
1. A one time thing? (would Wendy do that?)
2. Is she joining the NPG? (wierd)
3. Is she gonna help write/perform on the new album? (Is the album already finished and is she on it?)
4. Are any other Revolution memebers gonna comeback? (Is Lisa gonna join Wendy?)
5. Is the Revolution getting back together? (NEW ALBUM! Prince & the Revolution: Musicology)

Why?
"So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
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Reply #1 posted 02/21/04 1:21pm

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He performed with Wendy and Lisa during the Lovesexy tour once I believe and he played with Bobby, mark, and Matt during the first celebration.
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Reply #2 posted 02/21/04 1:27pm

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lovemachine said:

He performed with Wendy and Lisa during the Lovesexy tour once I believe and he played with Bobby, mark, and Matt during the first celebration.


Wendy, Lisa, and Susannah all came out and sang Purple Rain with him at the Lovesexy show you're referring to but that's it. It is a good question on why now and why just Wendy? They seemed they never stopped playing together on Tavis, and it's funny how almost 18 years later they still shoot each other the same looks. I would also like to know if there is more to come from that reunion. I really LOVE the fact they played something new together and not something we've all heard them play before. but c'mon, I wanted to hear Wendy sing too nod I still can't believe it happened finally.
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Reply #3 posted 02/21/04 2:06pm

PrimordialOoze

Count me in as another who'd love to know the reasoning behind this sudden public reunion with Wendy.

Also like you I'm extremely pleased by their reunion but the whole thing is just so strange and mysterious.

The upcoming press conference will answer our questions I guess.
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Reply #4 posted 02/21/04 2:18pm

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PrimordialOoze said:

Count me in as another who'd love to know the reasoning behind this sudden public reunion with Wendy.

Also like you I'm extremely pleased by their reunion but the whole thing is just so strange and mysterious.

The upcoming press conference will answer our questions I guess.


Wow, Prince strange and mysterious?
Hasn't been that air around him since '85
"These are the days... these are the days..."
Shakin' your ass to: Hide The Bone, Days Of Wild

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Reply #5 posted 02/21/04 2:23pm

PrimordialOoze

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PrimordialOoze said:

Wow, Prince strange and mysterious?
Hasn't been that air around him since '85


Um.. NO SHIT.

rolleyes
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Reply #6 posted 02/21/04 3:13pm

chookalana

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You know, I'm not one to get hyped about anything Prince does. Nor am I into rumors and hopes of what I WANT Prince to do.

I'm not saying I hope that Prince reunites with the Revo.....nah, never mind.

But this is cool, really cool...
"So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
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Reply #7 posted 02/21/04 3:17pm

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judging by the message on Wendy and Lisa's website, they are as excited about the prospect of a reunion as we are...
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Reply #8 posted 02/21/04 3:19pm

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it is so damn cool tha he pulled this stunt. Cool for us fanantics who know about experiencing the mood of his vibe in the 80's at the time. It seems like one an odd dream to see this new performance. Makes me think of seeing the "Tears in your eyes" video premiere.
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Reply #9 posted 02/21/04 3:19pm

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With this being his 25th year, it may be that Prince is finally reconciling with his past, being more comfortable with it, while still firmly ready for the future and still happy with his current state of mind. This seems like good news and a good time for fans of all eras of Prince music.
Oh my, oh my.
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Reply #10 posted 02/21/04 3:20pm

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who knows why? shrug

anyway, they had an excerpt of the interview on yesterday's edition of almanac on tpt...seemed okay. i found out that mr. bean comes on after the interview, so i've no choice but to watch it. lol
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Reply #11 posted 02/21/04 3:55pm

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Wendy and the rest of the Revolution should hope Prince takes them back because being in his band is the greatest thing that any of them have achieved in their careers. Let's face it - Wendy and Lisa would just be a couple of hagged out folksy lesbians playing in tiny LA clubs if Prince didnt make them internationally known with Purple Rain.

And will someone please explain - with some intellectual insight and analysis - what the facination with Wendy and Lisa is for most of the european and caucasian American fans? Anything they brough to the group was nothing greater than what other post-Revolution band members contributed. Hell, they are not even the best gutiarist and keyboardist that Prince ever had! Where is the respect for what Levi and Morris Hayes brought to the table? Are we to believe that Bobby Z couold even carry John Blackwell's jock strap? No guitarist has come along that could top Dez Dickerson's hard rock vibe.

There are at least 3 incarnations of the NPG that could smoke the Revolution from Purple Rain with ease. I try to resist the fairly obvious fact that Wendy and Lisa are two white girls and that is the main appeal for certain types of "fans" of, as Prince once said, "the lighter persuasion".

I have all of Wendy and Lisa's albums and one that was not even released. They do good music - but they dont deserve all the credit that isheaped upon them for their work with Prince. It is that simple. In fact, there is a limit to how much thet actually did once you sit down and read the history on those classic albums in the 80s such as Purple Rain, Parade, and Sign O the Times.
...cause FACE said so!!!
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Reply #12 posted 02/21/04 4:05pm

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NPGLOVER said:

Wendy and the rest of the Revolution should hope Prince takes them back because being in his band is the greatest thing that any of them have achieved in their careers. Let's face it - Wendy and Lisa would just be a couple of hagged out folksy lesbians playing in tiny LA clubs if Prince didnt make them internationally known with Purple Rain.


Ahhhhh shaddap


And will someone please explain - with some intellectual insight and analysis - what the facination with Wendy and Lisa is for most of the european and caucasian American fans? Anything they brough to the group was nothing greater than what other post-Revolution band members contributed. Hell, they are not even the best gutiarist and keyboardist that Prince ever had! Where is the respect for what Levi and Morris Hayes brought to the table? Are we to believe that Bobby Z couold even carry John Blackwell's jock strap? No guitarist has come along that could top Dez Dickerson's hard rock vibe.

Why are you bringing race into this??
None of this has anything to do with the colour of theirs, his, yours or my skin.....what's your point?


There are at least 3 incarnations of the NPG that could smoke the Revolution from Purple Rain with ease. I try to resist the fairly obvious fact that Wendy and Lisa are two white girls and that is the main appeal for certain types of "fans" of, as Prince once said, "the lighter persuasion".

Ooooooppps- there you go again with the 'colour' thing


I have all of Wendy and Lisa's albums and one that was not even released. They do good music - but they dont deserve all the credit that isheaped upon them for their work with Prince. It is that simple. In fact, there is a limit to how much thet actually did once you sit down and read the history on those classic albums in the 80s such as Purple Rain, Parade, and Sign O the Times.


Oh yeah? Considering SOTT is drawn mainly from material from the Dream Factory project, that their influence is stamped pretty heavy on it.

Whether you like them or not, you can't dismiss what they brought to the table.



[This message was edited Sat Feb 21 16:06:39 2004 by thebumpsquad]
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Reply #13 posted 02/21/04 4:16pm

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NPGLOVER said:

Wendy and the rest of the Revolution should hope Prince takes them back because being in his band is the greatest thing that any of them have achieved in their careers. Let's face it - Wendy and Lisa would just be a couple of hagged out folksy lesbians playing in tiny LA clubs if Prince didnt make them internationally known with Purple Rain.

And will someone please explain - with some intellectual insight and analysis - what the facination with Wendy and Lisa is for most of the european and caucasian American fans? Anything they brough to the group was nothing greater than what other post-Revolution band members contributed. Hell, they are not even the best gutiarist and keyboardist that Prince ever had! Where is the respect for what Levi and Morris Hayes brought to the table? Are we to believe that Bobby Z couold even carry John Blackwell's jock strap? No guitarist has come along that could top Dez Dickerson's hard rock vibe.

There are at least 3 incarnations of the NPG that could smoke the Revolution from Purple Rain with ease. I try to resist the fairly obvious fact that Wendy and Lisa are two white girls and that is the main appeal for certain types of "fans" of, as Prince once said, "the lighter persuasion".

I have all of Wendy and Lisa's albums and one that was not even released. They do good music - but they dont deserve all the credit that isheaped upon them for their work with Prince. It is that simple. In fact, there is a limit to how much thet actually did once you sit down and read the history on those classic albums in the 80s such as Purple Rain, Parade, and Sign O the Times.



Wendy and Lisa were responsible for writing/and or producing some of his earlier hit records, but when you get the album it has Prince as the sole producer. This is probably because Prince would change their music slightly and make it funkier. But creatively and artistically (especially the Parade album) they did contribute towards expanding Prince's musical taste and sounds. Source of information: Alex Hann - Possessed: The Rise and Fall of Prince. This book is a very interesting read, I can imagine P was not too happy of this being released.
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Reply #14 posted 02/21/04 4:28pm

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I don't know. Because the cookie told him to.
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Reply #15 posted 02/21/04 5:21pm

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as perplexed as i am about it...i loved every second of it. like all who have said before... they played they were never apart! again i hope that since the grammy's as it apears prince has lightened up just by some, embraced who he really is, and let go of the past. wendy is fabulous!! he couldn't have picked a better person to accompany him.

so there tease
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Reply #16 posted 02/21/04 5:24pm

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One guess would be, maybe a reunion of sorts at the RnR Hall of Fame induction?
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Reply #17 posted 02/21/04 5:47pm

UptownDeb

Notice how he was stealing glances at her when they were performing?

In that Rolling Stone article from 1985(?) Wendy said: "We tell Prince we love him all the time. It's silly, swooning over each other, but it's meaningful." Maybe she still feels the same way?
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Reply #18 posted 02/21/04 6:04pm

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He probably did it because he knew that some of his lame fans would wet themselves over it.
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Reply #19 posted 02/21/04 6:07pm

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RupertZ said:

He probably did it because he knew that some of his lame fans would wet themselves over it.

stfu
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Reply #20 posted 02/22/04 1:16am

HolyWine

WHY did Prince perform with Wendy? Because HE WANTED TO and because SHE WANTED TO perform with him -- sounds logical to me.

The Alex Hahn book - i bot it and still haven't finished reading it - i know, that's embarrassing to admit. What i read so far is interesting to me but my friends who have been devoted Prince fams for his entire musical career say that's all repeat information - nothing new, no big deal.


I LOVED HOW PRINCE AND WENDY LOOKED TOGETHER ON TAVIS SMILEY!! REALLY SWEET!! and of course their guitar playing -- oh so good- wish it had been longer and more focus on their hands playin their guitars.
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Reply #21 posted 02/22/04 1:17am

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Maybe they are both in town at the same time because they are recording the audio commentary for the Purple Rain special edition DVD. shrug
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Reply #22 posted 02/22/04 2:11am

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Maybe they are both in town at the same time because they are recording the audio commentary for the Purple Rain special edition DVD. shrug


They might have been or maybe even in the studio....
All things are possible now.... He cool. She cool. They all cool...
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Reply #23 posted 02/22/04 2:47am

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NPGLOVER said:

Wendy and the rest of the Revolution should hope Prince takes them back because being in his band is the greatest thing that any of them have achieved in their careers. Let's face it - Wendy and Lisa would just be a couple of hagged out folksy lesbians playing in tiny LA clubs if Prince didnt make them internationally known with Purple Rain.

And will someone please explain - with some intellectual insight and analysis - what the facination with Wendy and Lisa is for most of the european and caucasian American fans? Anything they brough to the group was nothing greater than what other post-Revolution band members contributed. Hell, they are not even the best gutiarist and keyboardist that Prince ever had! Where is the respect for what Levi and Morris Hayes brought to the table? Are we to believe that Bobby Z couold even carry John Blackwell's jock strap? No guitarist has come along that could top Dez Dickerson's hard rock vibe.

There are at least 3 incarnations of the NPG that could smoke the Revolution from Purple Rain with ease. I try to resist the fairly obvious fact that Wendy and Lisa are two white girls and that is the main appeal for certain types of "fans" of, as Prince once said, "the lighter persuasion".

I have all of Wendy and Lisa's albums and one that was not even released. They do good music - but they dont deserve all the credit that isheaped upon them for their work with Prince. It is that simple. In fact, there is a limit to how much thet actually did once you sit down and read the history on those classic albums in the 80s such as Purple Rain, Parade, and Sign O the Times.


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Reply #24 posted 02/22/04 3:04am

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NPGLOVER said:

Wendy and the rest of the Revolution should hope Prince takes them back because being in his band is the greatest thing that any of them have achieved in their careers. Let's face it - Wendy and Lisa would just be a couple of hagged out folksy lesbians playing in tiny LA clubs if Prince didnt make them internationally known with Purple Rain.

And will someone please explain - with some intellectual insight and analysis - what the facination with Wendy and Lisa is for most of the european and caucasian American fans? Anything they brough to the group was nothing greater than what other post-Revolution band members contributed. Hell, they are not even the best gutiarist and keyboardist that Prince ever had! Where is the respect for what Levi and Morris Hayes brought to the table? Are we to believe that Bobby Z couold even carry John Blackwell's jock strap? No guitarist has come along that could top Dez Dickerson's hard rock vibe.

There are at least 3 incarnations of the NPG that could smoke the Revolution from Purple Rain with ease. I try to resist the fairly obvious fact that Wendy and Lisa are two white girls and that is the main appeal for certain types of "fans" of, as Prince once said, "the lighter persuasion".

I have all of Wendy and Lisa's albums and one that was not even released. They do good music - but they dont deserve all the credit that isheaped upon them for their work with Prince. It is that simple. In fact, there is a limit to how much thet actually did once you sit down and read the history on those classic albums in the 80s such as Purple Rain, Parade, and Sign O the Times.

you sound bitter.

my fascination with wendy and lisa, and the whole of the revolution for that matter, is that they've been the most fascinating characters in prince's world of music. whether prince created those characters or not. they are the most interesting compared to all other prince bands, especially the npg line-up (though i do dig the latest line-up). perhaps they're not the best musicians that prince has surrounded himself with, but they were the coolest (yes, even cooler than the 'sign' or 'lovesexy' crew). and to know that they had more going on than the music makes it even a little more special, more personal. that's what has been lacking in the other bands IN MY OPINION.

and here you go presuming that the racial factor had anything to do with it. ass!

oh yeah, i forgot to say the revolution made some kick ass music. whooaah!
[This message was edited Sun Feb 22 3:15:48 2004 by purpleone]
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Reply #25 posted 02/22/04 8:18am

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purpleone said:

NPGLOVER said:

Wendy and the rest of the Revolution should hope Prince takes them back because being in his band is the greatest thing that any of them have achieved in their careers. Let's face it - Wendy and Lisa would just be a couple of hagged out folksy lesbians playing in tiny LA clubs if Prince didnt make them internationally known with Purple Rain.

And will someone please explain - with some intellectual insight and analysis - what the facination with Wendy and Lisa is for most of the european and caucasian American fans? Anything they brough to the group was nothing greater than what other post-Revolution band members contributed. Hell, they are not even the best gutiarist and keyboardist that Prince ever had! Where is the respect for what Levi and Morris Hayes brought to the table? Are we to believe that Bobby Z couold even carry John Blackwell's jock strap? No guitarist has come along that could top Dez Dickerson's hard rock vibe.

There are at least 3 incarnations of the NPG that could smoke the Revolution from Purple Rain with ease. I try to resist the fairly obvious fact that Wendy and Lisa are two white girls and that is the main appeal for certain types of "fans" of, as Prince once said, "the lighter persuasion".

I have all of Wendy and Lisa's albums and one that was not even released. They do good music - but they dont deserve all the credit that isheaped upon them for their work with Prince. It is that simple. In fact, there is a limit to how much thet actually did once you sit down and read the history on those classic albums in the 80s such as Purple Rain, Parade, and Sign O the Times.

you sound bitter.

my fascination with wendy and lisa, and the whole of the revolution for that matter, is that they've been the most fascinating characters in prince's world of music. whether prince created those characters or not. they are the most interesting compared to all other prince bands, especially the npg line-up (though i do dig the latest line-up). perhaps they're not the best musicians that prince has surrounded himself with, but they were the coolest (yes, even cooler than the 'sign' or 'lovesexy' crew). and to know that they had more going on than the music makes it even a little more special, more personal. that's what has been lacking in the other bands IN MY OPINION.

and here you go presuming that the racial factor had anything to do with it. ass!

oh yeah, i forgot to say the revolution made some kick ass music. whooaah!
[This message was edited Sun Feb 22 3:15:48 2004 by purpleone]


Way to go purpleone!!!!
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Reply #26 posted 02/22/04 8:38am

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The Revolution are revered for many reasons. The fact there were white and black members helped but it goes deeper than that. There were different genders, backgrounds, tastes, sexualities, fancy costumes, and movies. A lot of it was timing because at the same time Prince was new to mainstream America and there was a lot of speculation on his relationships and ghost-writing for other groups-- it was an exciting time. Also, this band is the only one that was actually let into Prince's world and thus Wendy and Lisa are the only ones that truly influenced the music-- it was becoming more of a real band where others were contributing and that maybe what scared Prince off. Every other band consisted of talented background musicians taking orders from Prince, nobody to question/challenge his creative control. ( As good as he may be John Blackwell is not a major part of Prince's music).

Oh, and then there's the music.
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I don't know exactly why he did it, but my understanding of the events that led up to it are this. Prince was in LA working on Nikka Costa's new album. Nikka's studio is next door to Wendy's. Nikka informed Prince of this and a day later Wendy called Nikka all excited cuz Prince called her and they hadn't talked in like 9 years or so. Couple of days later they shot the Tavis Smiley show.

And to the guy who doesn't understand the respect that fans give to Wendy and Lisa, or the Revolution as a whole? Others have explained it quite well. It's not just about the musicianship. Yeah, we know that Michael Bland and John Blackwell are much better drummers than Bobby Z. I saw an interview once where Prince said that Bobby watched him like no other drummer. The Revolution could turn on a dime. If P switched gears in the middle of a song, they were right there with him. And Wendy and Lisa are primarily responsible for Prince's growth as a musician and a writer. Don't tell me you can't hear the difference after W & L left. The orchestration, the strings, etc. If you have any love for Around the World In a Day or Parade, you HAVE to thank Wendy and Lisa for that.

And i'm sorry but Brown Mark is better than every bass player that's strolled through the NPG INCLUDING Larry Graham (who is overrated).

Nuff said.
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Reply #28 posted 02/22/04 10:14am

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ButterscotchPimp said:

I don't know exactly why he did it, but my understanding of the events that led up to it are this. Prince was in LA working on Nikka Costa's new album. Nikka's studio is next door to Wendy's. Nikka informed Prince of this and a day later Wendy called Nikka all excited cuz Prince called her and they hadn't talked in like 9 years or so. Couple of days later they shot the Tavis Smiley show.

And to the guy who doesn't understand the respect that fans give to Wendy and Lisa, or the Revolution as a whole? Others have explained it quite well. It's not just about the musicianship. Yeah, we know that Michael Bland and John Blackwell are much better drummers than Bobby Z. I saw an interview once where Prince said that Bobby watched him like no other drummer. The Revolution could turn on a dime. If P switched gears in the middle of a song, they were right there with him. And Wendy and Lisa are primarily responsible for Prince's growth as a musician and a writer. Don't tell me you can't hear the difference after W & L left. The orchestration, the strings, etc. If you have any love for Around the World In a Day or Parade, you HAVE to thank Wendy and Lisa for that.

And i'm sorry but Brown Mark is better than every bass player that's strolled through the NPG INCLUDING Larry Graham (who is overrated).

Nuff said.



You know I was watching the Tavis Smiley Show after I d/l it. When I started it, my wife walked in. Now she is not the biggest Prince fan, but she does like his music. She also knows I'm a HUGE W&L fan. She walked in and asked; "Is that Wendy?, When did she come back to Prince?". Then while the performace was going on, she said:"Wow, they look exactly like they did when the Revolution was together. How they look at each other, They way they play together.". Keep in mind this is comming from someone who is not a big Prince fan, and even she could see what was going on between them.

Then I said that they TRUELY look like they are enjoying each other and having fun. There was just something between them. It was a joy to see.

For me The Revolution IS a part of Prince. In my mind there are no better albums than ATWIAD, Parade, and Dream Factory. Prince's best, the Revolution's best. The music was full of energy and life. It was mysterious, and mystical. It was a joyous time.
"So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
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Reply #29 posted 02/22/04 10:15am

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chookalana said:

purpleone said:


you sound bitter.

my fascination with wendy and lisa, and the whole of the revolution for that matter, is that they've been the most fascinating characters in prince's world of music. whether prince created those characters or not. they are the most interesting compared to all other prince bands, especially the npg line-up (though i do dig the latest line-up). perhaps they're not the best musicians that prince has surrounded himself with, but they were the coolest (yes, even cooler than the 'sign' or 'lovesexy' crew). and to know that they had more going on than the music makes it even a little more special, more personal. that's what has been lacking in the other bands IN MY OPINION.

and here you go presuming that the racial factor had anything to do with it. ass!

oh yeah, i forgot to say the revolution made some kick ass music. whooaah!
[This message was edited Sun Feb 22 3:15:48 2004 by purpleone]


Way to go purpleone!!!!

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The racial factor is there because of the need for the white population to relate all artistic endevours that African-American produce to some imput by someone white. It is tired and played out. The truth here is that W&L contributed a lot to Prince's music but he was having hit records before they came along he even had hits after they left.

He is the star that people pay to go see in concert not W&L.
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