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Reply #30 posted 02/22/04 10:17am

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I don't know exactly why he did it, but my understanding of the events that led up to it are this. Prince was in LA working on Nikka Costa's new album. Nikka's studio is next door to Wendy's. Nikka informed Prince of this and a day later Wendy called Nikka all excited cuz Prince called her and they hadn't talked in like 9 years or so. Couple of days later they shot the Tavis Smiley show.

And to the guy who doesn't understand the respect that fans give to Wendy and Lisa, or the Revolution as a whole? Others have explained it quite well. It's not just about the musicianship. Yeah, we know that Michael Bland and John Blackwell are much better drummers than Bobby Z. I saw an interview once where Prince said that Bobby watched him like no other drummer. The Revolution could turn on a dime. If P switched gears in the middle of a song, they were right there with him. And Wendy and Lisa are primarily responsible for Prince's growth as a musician and a writer. Don't tell me you can't hear the difference after W & L left. The orchestration, the strings, etc. If you have any love for Around the World In a Day or Parade, you HAVE to thank Wendy and Lisa for that.

And i'm sorry but Brown Mark is better than every bass player that's strolled through the NPG INCLUDING Larry Graham (who is overrated).

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Reply #31 posted 02/22/04 2:20pm

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Wendy and the rest of the Revolution should hope Prince takes them back because being in his band is the greatest thing that any of them have achieved in their careers. Let's face it - Wendy and Lisa would just be a couple of hagged out folksy lesbians playing in tiny LA clubs if Prince didnt make them internationally known with Purple Rain.

And will someone please explain - with some intellectual insight and analysis - what the facination with Wendy and Lisa is for most of the european and caucasian American fans? Anything they brough to the group was nothing greater than what other post-Revolution band members contributed. Hell, they are not even the best gutiarist and keyboardist that Prince ever had! Where is the respect for what Levi and Morris Hayes brought to the table? Are we to believe that Bobby Z couold even carry John Blackwell's jock strap? No guitarist has come along that could top Dez Dickerson's hard rock vibe.

There are at least 3 incarnations of the NPG that could smoke the Revolution from Purple Rain with ease. I try to resist the fairly obvious fact that Wendy and Lisa are two white girls and that is the main appeal for certain types of "fans" of, as Prince once said, "the lighter persuasion".

I have all of Wendy and Lisa's albums and one that was not even released. They do good music - but they dont deserve all the credit that isheaped upon them for their work with Prince. It is that simple. In fact, there is a limit to how much thet actually did once you sit down and read the history on those classic albums in the 80s such as Purple Rain, Parade, and Sign O the Times.
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Reply #32 posted 02/22/04 2:31pm

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Wendy and the rest of the Revolution should hope Prince takes them back because being in his band is the greatest thing that any of them have achieved in their careers. Let's face it - Wendy and Lisa would just be a couple of hagged out folksy lesbians playing in tiny LA clubs if Prince didnt make them internationally known with Purple Rain.

And will someone please explain - with some intellectual insight and analysis - what the facination with Wendy and Lisa is for most of the european and caucasian American fans? Anything they brough to the group was nothing greater than what other post-Revolution band members contributed. Hell, they are not even the best gutiarist and keyboardist that Prince ever had! Where is the respect for what Levi and Morris Hayes brought to the table? Are we to believe that Bobby Z couold even carry John Blackwell's jock strap? No guitarist has come along that could top Dez Dickerson's hard rock vibe.

There are at least 3 incarnations of the NPG that could smoke the Revolution from Purple Rain with ease. I try to resist the fairly obvious fact that Wendy and Lisa are two white girls and that is the main appeal for certain types of "fans" of, as Prince once said, "the lighter persuasion".

I have all of Wendy and Lisa's albums and one that was not even released. They do good music - but they dont deserve all the credit that isheaped upon them for their work with Prince. It is that simple. In fact, there is a limit to how much thet actually did once you sit down and read the history on those classic albums in the 80s such as Purple Rain, Parade, and Sign O the Times.



Alright, I reposted just so everyone could see how ridiculous your logic is...i see what your saying on some points...yes they're not his greatest musicians. But even Prince knows that artistically the stand above any other bandmates he's had. Anything Wendy & Lisa touch has a sense of sophistication & class, even the most musically simplistic things have a aura of smarts to it. & The whole Wendy & Lisa white issue is played...and plain ignorant.


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Reply #33 posted 02/22/04 2:56pm

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I don't understand why everyone got so bent about this.

It seems to me, that at one point or another he hooked up with her in the last month in LA.
I heard a rumor she was at that After Grammy's gig too. I didn't see her.

Anyway, my take is that it's just old friends getting together to reminisce. Isn't that what the tune was about anyway? I don't see Wendy and Lisa hooking up with him musically (except maybe a one-off song or so).

Many great musicians have come and gone and surpassed the Revolution. Past is past, but it's cool to get together with an old friend from 18 years past, have a drink and remember the day. That's what the Reflection thing was.
I'm doing the same thing on Tues, with a buddy I haven't see in 20.

I think it was the best live TV performance from him that I've seen in a long while. Moving to me. Probably my favorite right now

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Reply #34 posted 02/22/04 4:53pm

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Let's face it - Wendy and Lisa would just be a couple of hagged out folksy lesbians playing in tiny LA clubs if Prince didnt make them internationally known with Purple Rain.

And will someone please explain - with some intellectual insight and analysis -




Maybe,when YOU have the courtesy to provide some "intellectual insight and analysis" of your own instead of crap.
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Reply #35 posted 02/22/04 10:09pm

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I believe that with Prince recording some of the new album here it has something to do with a Wendy and Lisa connection. He's been on the west coast since the Shelia E. event so I think something's up./////

I've liked/enjoyed every incarnation of the NPG sans the rapper and the dancers but they were all backing bands. The Revolution was/is Prince's band. They had identity and personality that has not been matched by any of his other bands. With the Revolution, Prince was a part of a group and with the NPG he's a band leader. He hires musicians now that have other gigs or may be in between projects. If you let Renato go today he won't be heart broken because this is just a job for him not a jouney. He'll be doing session work and touring with someone else by next week. There's no "All for one and one for all" attitude with the NPG it's more like " dude where's my check.

I'd like to answer a question Bobby Z. asked in Purple Rain ""We're still a group, right". For me the answer is ..

YES, even after 25 years.
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Reply #36 posted 02/23/04 1:16am

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Here's my thinking: When I'd first started reading everyone else's posts about a Rev. reunion, the hair stood up on the back of my neck, my heart nearly stopped, my hands got all sweaty - well, u know how it is...but now that the performance w/ Wendy has come and gone (very nice, btw) I don't know how plausible this is.

I guess I was thinking of his current band. Would he really scrap all of them 2 bring back the Revolution? They're a got-damn great band! Renato and John B get me each time. Then again, he has been w/ them 4 a couple of tours now. Remember what he said about changing touring bands every couple of years? Is it time again 4 the Revolution? Maybe 4 a TV performance or 2, but even that doesn't seem likely. The Tavis Smiley performance may have been a one-off event or it could mean a renewed partnership of some kind. Perhaps we'll know on 2/24??

The one thing that did stir me a lil' was that he hooked up w/ Wendy at all! That's so cool. Whether he continues w/ her or any of the Revolution in the days and months 2 come is not really 4 me 2 speculate on. All I know is, they made history performing 2gether again. That should be enough. While I hope there is more where that came from, I don't see it - but I guess we'll see wink-
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Reply #37 posted 02/23/04 1:52am

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I don't know. Because the cookie told him to.



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Reply #38 posted 02/23/04 2:09am

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I don't see how anyone can not love The Revolution. They'll always be THE definitive Prince band.

As pure musicians, a lot of his NPG incarnations were technically better, but The Revolution brought so much to the overall Prince package.

Sure, Prince was able to create brilliant music and hits without W&L, but together as a band, they were such a complete package.

They seemed like such a close knit family of renegades; they just oozed individuality and captured that natural cool edge with their attitude.

It created a really cool image, but it didn't seem the least bit forced.
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Reply #39 posted 02/23/04 5:31am

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My guess is the Revolution are going to perform with him for his Rock and Roll HOF induction. It wraps it all up in a nice package. Some new side projects with the girls would be nice.

As for the Revolution as a band: I was pissed when Wendy replaced Dez. Dez and Dr. Fink were my favorite members back in the day. Dez freed Prince up to do whatever he wanted on stage. Wendy and Lisa were probably the last band members who able to tell Prince the truth.
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Reply #40 posted 02/23/04 5:39am

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Rev said:

My guess is the Revolution are going to perform with him for his Rock and Roll HOF induction. It wraps it all up in a nice package. Some new side projects with the girls would be nice.

As for the Revolution as a band: I was pissed when Wendy replaced Dez. Dez and Dr. Fink were my favorite members back in the day. Dez freed Prince up to do whatever he wanted on stage. Wendy and Lisa were probably the last band members who able to tell Prince the truth.


Right on all accounts!
"So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
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Reply #41 posted 02/23/04 5:45am

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If one is to believe about the homophobic comments Prince has made in the past (regarding Wendy and Lisa as well - something to the effect that he would not work with them as long as they maintain the particular lifestyle they have chosen), then seeing them performing together could be seen a sort of relief - finally he has given up the silliness of judging people on the grounds of their sexuality.

Maybe it is also a sign of his coming to senses after this JW nonsense we witnessed in the last three-four years. Another proof for that is his changed now explanation for not not cursing any more - as he admitted he doesn't curse now because it's not cool (as everybody else does).
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Reply #42 posted 02/23/04 8:24am

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Rev said:

My guess is the Revolution are going to perform with him for his Rock and Roll HOF induction. It wraps it all up in a nice package. Some new side projects with the girls would be nice.

As for the Revolution as a band: I was pissed when Wendy replaced Dez. Dez and Dr. Fink were my favorite members back in the day. Dez freed Prince up to do whatever he wanted on stage. Wendy and Lisa were probably the last band members who able to tell Prince the truth.



Ah! a vote for DEZ: the best Prince guitarist ever
...cause FACE said so!!!
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Reply #43 posted 02/23/04 8:29am

NPGLOVER

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Wendy and the rest of the Revolution should hope Prince takes them back because being in his band is the greatest thing that any of them have achieved in their careers. Let's face it - Wendy and Lisa would just be a couple of hagged out folksy lesbians playing in tiny LA clubs if Prince didnt make them internationally known with Purple Rain.

And will someone please explain - with some intellectual insight and analysis - what the facination with Wendy and Lisa is for most of the european and caucasian American fans? Anything they brough to the group was nothing greater than what other post-Revolution band members contributed. Hell, they are not even the best gutiarist and keyboardist that Prince ever had! Where is the respect for what Levi and Morris Hayes brought to the table? Are we to believe that Bobby Z couold even carry John Blackwell's jock strap? No guitarist has come along that could top Dez Dickerson's hard rock vibe.

There are at least 3 incarnations of the NPG that could smoke the Revolution from Purple Rain with ease. I try to resist the fairly obvious fact that Wendy and Lisa are two white girls and that is the main appeal for certain types of "fans" of, as Prince once said, "the lighter persuasion".

I have all of Wendy and Lisa's albums and one that was not even released. They do good music - but they dont deserve all the credit that isheaped upon them for their work with Prince. It is that simple. In fact, there is a limit to how much thet actually did once you sit down and read the history on those classic albums in the 80s such as Purple Rain, Parade, and Sign O the Times.



Alright, I reposted just so everyone could see how ridiculous your logic is...i see what your saying on some points...yes they're not his greatest musicians. But even Prince knows that artistically the stand above any other bandmates he's had. Anything Wendy & Lisa touch has a sense of sophistication & class, even the most musically simplistic things have a aura of smarts to it. & The whole Wendy & Lisa white issue is played...and plain ignorant.


Nero


Well, you can think that black and white doesnt matter but it does. It always has. Prince knows that. THat is why he insisted on having whites in his band: he was plaaning crossover appeal. More than one person that worked with him has verified this conscious move on his part. He did it because he understands the role that race plays in the music business and the attitudes of some fans Wendy and Lisa didnt have a golden touch to the extent that their fans claim. Prince was Prince before them. Where was the golden touch after they left Prince? Do you think they would have gotten as much credit had they been black?
[This message was edited Mon Feb 23 8:32:03 2004 by NPGLOVER]
...cause FACE said so!!!
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Reply #44 posted 02/23/04 8:32am

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Reply #45 posted 02/23/04 8:59am

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NPGLOVER said:

neronava said:

d:


Alright, I reposted just so everyone could see how ridiculous your logic is...i see what your saying on some points...yes they're not his greatest musicians. But even Prince knows that artistically the stand above any other bandmates he's had. Anything Wendy & Lisa touch has a sense of sophistication & class, even the most musically simplistic things have a aura of smarts to it. & The whole Wendy & Lisa white issue is played...and plain ignorant.


Nero


Well, you can think that black and white doesnt matter but it does. It always has. Prince knows that. THat is why he insisted on having whites in his band: he was plaaning crossover appeal. More than one person that worked with him has verified this conscious move on his part. He did it because he understands the role that race plays in the music business and the attitudes of some fans Wendy and Lisa didnt have a golden touch to the extent that their fans claim. Prince was Prince before them. Where was the golden touch after they left Prince? Do you think they would have gotten as much credit had they been black?
[This message was edited Mon Feb 23 8:32:03 2004 by NPGLOVER]



So where do the lesbians come in?
"So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
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Reply #46 posted 02/23/04 9:39am

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RupertZ said:

He probably did it because he knew that some of his lame fans would wet themselves over it.



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Reply #47 posted 02/23/04 9:45am

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NPGLOVER said:

And will someone please explain - with some intellectual insight and analysis - what the facination with Wendy and Lisa is for most of the european and caucasian American fans?


Why do you have to be an ignorant racist mad ? I am a black man and the reason that there is a fascination with this incarnation of the Revolution is because that is when Prince was at the height of his fame. It's not about race.

You can argue about what his most creative time was, everyone has their favorite "Prince era", but the Purple Rain era was his most successful time commercially. And many people became fans during that time and think this era came to a close way to quickly and long for a revisit.

So it's not about race.....it's about personal choice/preference of a time period, style, image and sound.
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Reply #48 posted 02/23/04 10:26am

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agarze said:

If one is to believe about the homophobic comments Prince has made in the past (regarding Wendy and Lisa as well - something to the effect that he would not work with them as long as they maintain the particular lifestyle they have chosen), then seeing them performing together could be seen a sort of relief - finally he has given up the silliness of judging people on the grounds of their sexuality.

Maybe it is also a sign of his coming to senses after this JW nonsense we witnessed in the last three-four years. Another proof for that is his changed now explanation for not not cursing any more - as he admitted he doesn't curse now because it's not cool (as everybody else does).

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Reply #49 posted 02/23/04 10:45am

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I hope that the revolution does get together at least for just one time. What would be perfect if they did it on the Rock and Roll induction. What I really want to see is Prince and all the revolution members and Susannah hug each other really tight and bury any baggage that they had in the past. What I seent on Tavis wasn't enough. I want to see a real reconciliation. Tears and all.
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Reply #50 posted 02/23/04 3:16pm

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Just like the song.. he was thinking of the past razz
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Reply #51 posted 02/23/04 3:42pm

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NPGLOVER said:

neronava said:

d:


Alright, I reposted just so everyone could see how ridiculous your logic is...i see what your saying on some points...yes they're not his greatest musicians. But even Prince knows that artistically the stand above any other bandmates he's had. Anything Wendy & Lisa touch has a sense of sophistication & class, even the most musically simplistic things have a aura of smarts to it. & The whole Wendy & Lisa white issue is played...and plain ignorant.


Nero


Well, you can think that black and white doesnt matter but it does. It always has. Prince knows that. THat is why he insisted on having whites in his band: he was plaaning crossover appeal. More than one person that worked with him has verified this conscious move on his part. He did it because he understands the role that race plays in the music business and the attitudes of some fans Wendy and Lisa didnt have a golden touch to the extent that their fans claim. Prince was Prince before them. Where was the golden touch after they left Prince? Do you think they would have gotten as much credit had they been black?
[This message was edited Mon Feb 23 8:32:03 2004 by NPGLOVER]


Wendy wrote & performed "My Favorite Mistake" a number one hit for Sheryl Crow, The work W&L did on Neil Finn's record (ONE ALL/ONE NIL) was amazing & got serious critical accolades.

And for your second question:

Its totally a out of context question, Prince wasn't playing "black music" it was ecclectic, cross-genre, mixed race, mixed politics, mixed religious beliefs...like his band, because of his band. So...I think that answers that. No one is saying that Prince is/or was nothing without W&L, we're simply giving props to W&L for what they did do with Prince. They challenged Prince, & he knows he's good/great-so sometimes he needs to be challenged by his band. I think those girls are great


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Reply #52 posted 02/23/04 4:38pm

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NPGLOVER said:



Wendy wrote & performed "My Favorite Mistake" a number one hit for Sheryl Crow,



What? Wendy certainly performed on the track, but the song was written by Sheryl Crow and Jeff Trott...
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