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Reply #120 posted 02/23/04 10:38pm

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Sartoria said:

Clear Channel is behind this tour and there will be some major corporate sponsorship involved. He will do many of his hits and publicity for the tour will be everywhere. Also expect more television performances besides the upcoming Leno, R&R HOF, and Ellen shows. Between his media rounds and the well-financed publicity campaign, he will sell out most every venue.
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Clear channel is NOT doing this show. AEG is
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Reply #121 posted 02/23/04 11:10pm

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alandail said:

so even by your calculations, in 48 hours, before the real promotion even starts tomorrow, he's already sold 2x the tickets that the ONA arenas held, yet you think it's a mistake to play bigger arenas?


In most markets, yes. It depends on the particular market and if the right size venue is right for the staging of the tour, etc. But with Reno, it's a unique case because Prince has never played there before. So IMO this show will have a better chance at being full compared to most markets he always plays. But let's forget Reno for a second and take a look at the shows that are already on sale: Bossier City, Oklahoma City, Jacksonville, Columbia & State College. They all aren't selling shit and only the floor seats are sold out.

alandail said:

How is it a mistake to allow more fans to see your show?


It's not, as long as he closes of the balcony in most of the venues, it'll look more full.

alandail said:

How is it hard to prove that buying two tickets gives you a better indication of just how full the arena is. A scattered empty seat here and there is insignificant. They're not going to sell the tickets in a way that leaves two empty seats that aren't beside each other in any given row. They're also going to match them up to try to get the best fit to fill the arena. The software to do this is pretty straightforward to write and would be pretty efficient at filling rows, just leaving scattered empty seats. If you can no longer get two seats together in the $75 tickets, there should be at most a dozen or so single seats left in that area.


It's hard to figure because like I said, you think fans that are buying two tickets automatically makes it concrete that there'll be more seats filled than compared to fans who are buying single tickets to the show. How do you know that most who attend aren't alone? I'm sure a lot will be and a lot won't be. But to try and figure that correctly would be next to impossible.
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Reply #122 posted 02/23/04 11:26pm

Zelaira

Just wanted to tell ya first off I Think it will be Great. Prince has Alot of fans. Second I went to a Kid Rock concert and it was halfway empty but he rocked so why should he or anyone care?
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Reply #123 posted 02/24/04 4:37am

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Zelaira said:

Just wanted to tell ya first off I Think it will be Great. Prince has Alot of fans. Second I went to a Kid Rock concert and it was halfway empty but he rocked so why should he or anyone care?




i suppose its cos this is princes big comeback (or his first since 99) and obviously he is doing much bigger arenas than ONA, so the media know this, and when it only sells half of the possible seats for instance, the media can report as such, oh noones interested etc. and once that line of thought enters peoples head its easy for the public to think oh well not worth it and not bother. theres always that desperation about saying "still plenty of tickets left for tonights show" sort of thing!!

i think, as someone has said, promotion for the tour wont start properly until tommorow anyway. plus no more dates have been announced yet, are all these dates early on in the tour, or are they testers?

plus, prince isnt stupid, he wouldnt bother doing a 20k arena in an area he has overplayed and has no chance of selling. we'll find out tonight i guess! god i hope there is a quality opening act!
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Reply #124 posted 02/24/04 5:28am

alandail

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alandail said:

How is it hard to prove that buying two tickets gives you a better indication of just how full the arena is. A scattered empty seat here and there is insignificant. They're not going to sell the tickets in a way that leaves two empty seats that aren't beside each other in any given row. They're also going to match them up to try to get the best fit to fill the arena. The software to do this is pretty straightforward to write and would be pretty efficient at filling rows, just leaving scattered empty seats. If you can no longer get two seats together in the $75 tickets, there should be at most a dozen or so single seats left in that area.


It's hard to figure because like I said, you think fans that are buying two tickets automatically makes it concrete that there'll be more seats filled than compared to fans who are buying single tickets to the show. How do you know that most who attend aren't alone? I'm sure a lot will be and a lot won't be. But to try and figure that correctly would be next to impossible.


If they were selling mostly single seats, there wouldn't be any single seat gaps left. Your logic makes no sense. If the vast majority of the seats to row 36 in the upper section weren't sold, there would be pairs of seats available closer. What do you think is happening - people are just asking for 1 ticket and they're assigning them every other seat?

You say reno is an exception - in jacksonvile, the floor is gone and the closest you can get 2 seats is row V (i.e. row 22). Promotion for the tour, for the album, for the single, etc., doesn't start until today. The tour doesn't start for a month. How about seeing what the promotion is, who's behind it, and giving a couple of weeks to see what kind of airplay Prince gets before saying he's not going to sell tickets.
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Reply #125 posted 02/24/04 6:21am

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lovemachine said:

After the first concert at the Xcel after the second Celebration I heard plenty of people talking about what a bad show it was and how they deserved a refund. I never thought I would see a bad Prince show but that one surely was.



I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears the other side of things.


nod

I hate to say it, but those shows (and that show in particular) was a FIASCO for Prince and truly damaged his remaining fan-base in MPLS. The first nite (which was sold-out) had a lot of promise. But, thanks to a delayed sound-check, the general public wasn't allowed in untill (if I remember right) almost 2 hours after the time on the ticket. The show itself didn't start until 11 or so.

Now for me and my crew, this was no problem as we'd spent the week sitting around waiting for Prince to do something. We expected it. But to do this to the general community was ridculous. I heard NOTHING but negative things about this show from those who went who weren't Prince-nuts. I was bombarded with "I will NEVER spend money to see P EVER again."

In retrospect, this fiasco probably had a lot of impact on the complete disinterest in the Orpheum shows 2 years ago. I think there were a lot of other factors, but when you piss off 10,000 fans and receive nothing but bad publicity from your home-town press, people aren't gonna want to shell-out $100 to see you.

With all that said, I'm hoping enough time has passed and the ticket prices will be reasonable enough to fill a big venue here in MPLS. However, he may not even play here, so who knows.
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Reply #126 posted 02/24/04 6:25am

DavidEye

Actually,it's a good thing that the shows won't sellout.This means that we won't have any problems getting tickets.I remember back in 1984-85,when everybody in the world wanted to see Prince,and it was really really hard to get tickets.I don't wanna go back to those days.
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Reply #127 posted 02/24/04 7:51am

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endorphin74 said:


nod

I hate to say it, but those shows (and that show in particular) was a FIASCO for Prince and truly damaged his remaining fan-base in MPLS. The first nite (which was sold-out) had a lot of promise. But, thanks to a delayed sound-check, the general public wasn't allowed in untill (if I remember right) almost 2 hours after the time on the ticket. The show itself didn't start until 11 or so.

Now for me and my crew, this was no problem as we'd spent the week sitting around waiting for Prince to do something. We expected it. But to do this to the general community was ridculous. I heard NOTHING but negative things about this show from those who went who weren't Prince-nuts. I was bombarded with "I will NEVER spend money to see P EVER again."

In retrospect, this fiasco probably had a lot of impact on the complete disinterest in the Orpheum shows 2 years ago. I think there were a lot of other factors, but when you piss off 10,000 fans and receive nothing but bad publicity from your home-town press, people aren't gonna want to shell-out $100 to see you.

With all that said, I'm hoping enough time has passed and the ticket prices will be reasonable enough to fill a big venue here in MPLS. However, he may not even play here, so who knows.


I remember walking by Avery Fisher Hall here in NYC on the day of his ONA show. As soon as I saw "Larry Graham" written on the side of a road case, I said "fuck that." But out of curiosity, I went to find out how much the tickets went for. Motherfuckers wanted about $130 for a ticket! It wasn't even a huge venue. Needless to say, tickets didn't sell out. I paid $140 for Woodstock '99 (3 days of music). There's no way in hell I'm spending that kind of cash, just to be disappointed at the end of the show. His tickets aren't worth more than $45 at this point. Greedy fuck!
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Reply #128 posted 02/24/04 7:53am

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Insanecabbage said:

I'm not living in the past at all, I just appreciate the past. At least I don't suck the purple cock all the time and get personal when someone disses an artist I like. I find that obession really disturbing.

I find ure ignorance to ppls love 4 something really disturbing.



I find your use of the English language really disturbing.
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Reply #129 posted 02/24/04 4:08pm

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alandail said:

If they were selling mostly single seats, there wouldn't be any single seat gaps left. Your logic makes no sense. If the vast majority of the seats to row 36 in the upper section weren't sold, there would be pairs of seats available closer. What do you think is happening - people are just asking for 1 ticket and they're assigning them every other seat?

You say reno is an exception - in jacksonvile, the floor is gone and the closest you can get 2 seats is row V (i.e. row 22). Promotion for the tour, for the album, for the single, etc., doesn't start until today. The tour doesn't start for a month. How about seeing what the promotion is, who's behind it, and giving a couple of weeks to see what kind of airplay Prince gets before saying he's not going to sell tickets.

Look, I'm not necessarily saying that there are going to be more single tickets sold than multiple tickets. What I'm saying is that how do you know either way what's outselling the other - single or mulitple tickets? And I don't know what you're talking about but with every single show that's currently on sale, I've brought up best available and there have been very good seats left. In Jacksonville, for example, I found two tickets in Section 106 in the plaza - not too far from the stage. Also, when buying tickets, fans ask for either particular seats or best available, ticketmaster obviously do not assign them as it's the fans who ask for and then buy the tickets. The promotion's apparently already in full swing btw...
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Reply #130 posted 02/24/04 4:26pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

lovemachine said:

After the first concert at the Xcel after the second Celebration I heard plenty of people talking about what a bad show it was and how they deserved a refund. I never thought I would see a bad Prince show but that one surely was.



I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears the other side of things.

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You know eveybody has a bad night sometimes. I have gone to seven concerts and they were the best concerts I have every been to. I would not pay $100.00 to see anyone else.
I not really sure you can be pleased or satisfied so it might be best if you jumped off the Prince train.

Plenty of people have responded to your non-stop bitch fest and don't agree with you.
You think Prince is so over then please stop posting to a fan site for an artist that bores you to tears.
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Reply #131 posted 02/24/04 4:38pm

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laurarichardson said:

You know eveybody has a bad night sometimes. I have gone to seven concerts and they were the best concerts I have every been to. I would not pay $100.00 to see anyone else.
I not really sure you can be pleased or satisfied so it might be best if you jumped off the Prince train.

Plenty of people have responded to your non-stop bitch fest and don't agree with you.
You think Prince is so over then please stop posting to a fan site for an artist that bores you to tears.



Or how bout you just stop responding to my posts? Are you capable of ignoring me, or am I so irresistable that you always have something to write?
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Reply #132 posted 02/25/04 2:41am

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laurarichardson said:

EvilWhiteMale said:




I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears the other side of things.

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You know eveybody has a bad night sometimes. I have gone to seven concerts and they were the best concerts I have every been to. I would not pay $100.00 to see anyone else.
I not really sure you can be pleased or satisfied so it might be best if you jumped off the Prince train.

Plenty of people have responded to your non-stop bitch fest and don't agree with you.
You think Prince is so over then please stop posting to a fan site for an artist that bores you to tears.


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