was it real RESPECT he got... or did the industry just pimp him so they can squeeze what ever is left out of purple rain.



Electric Purple,
Prince
[This message was edited Wed Feb 11 9:39:20 PST 2004 by ElectricPurple]

ElectricPurple said:

Well, no one made him perform the songs he did. I think Prince knew EXACTLY what he was doing by playing a medley of Purple Rain tunes. He's got the entire media buzzing about his performance.

tell me this...


Did PRN get all this attention playing buy his own rules or by playing ball with the industry?


p.s. thank you jedimaster for taking part in this discussion.


Electric Purple,
Prince

ElectricPurple said:

not even worth a retort...
[This message was edited Wed Feb 11 10:06:31 PST 2004 by TheRealFiness]

thanks Finess.


still up to your old ways. Good On U.


Electric Purple,
Prince

Dissed? Uh, okay. Listen, sure Prince gave the masses what they want. That's how you "sell" albums. There is nothing wrong with it and it doesn't diminish his artistry. Prince, arguably more than anyone, has no worries about being labeled a "sellout". Were the Beatles sellouts because they purposefully avoided releasing albums within 6 months of when the Stones did?

i just saying he didn't get the true respect he deserved.

ElectricPurple said:

Really??? I think it was all respect. As a out Prineoholic, I've had everyone in my office tell me how great it was to see him again -- I talk about him often, but they never see him outside of my influence. They thought it was great to be reminded of how great he was.

The opening slot of the biggest night for the industry is a good deal of respect.

let's not forget that, as minimal as they may be, prince still gets royalties from his earlier albums. it ain't all pimpin' and no hoein'

skywalker said:

No - because I can't think of any examples of where the Beatles purposefully delayed releases for six months after a Stones release before putting out new product in the form of an album.

Can you name any examples that fairly justify the suggestion that they did this?

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ElectricPurple said:

What would you consider "real RESPECT?"

Prince deserved some of those awards, i mean how about "Life time achievement" or something like that. Someone body needs to wake up and honor him for all the stuff he has done for over the years. That is wrong though. Prince showed up to the grammies probably thinking that NEWS was getting nominated and after doing Purple Rain and everything with Beyonce, Then seeing them honor people like Luther Vandross, He was probably thinking "I'm next", but they straight dogged him. I was kinda lookin' forward to hearing a speech.

angle1234-

They had the Luther tribute because the man just had a stroke and new album. Hopefully Prince didn't think "I'm next". Secondly, "NEWS" WAS nominated, but him winning or not had nothing to do with if his performance. Lastly, he has been honored many times with life time achievment time of awards.

Langebleu- I read a quote somewhere that had suggested that the Beatles and The Stones record companies avoided releasing albums within 6 months of one another. Unfortunately I have no "direct quote". However, if you can find release dates of for Beatles or Stones albums released within 6months of each other I'll apologize to you.

angle1234 said:

Like what, for instance? He's been honored for his major success - Purple Rain - long ago. Then there's been other recognition for his over all recording and performing career. Specifically, what do want to see him honored for?

HOW?? He pulled off probably the most noteworthy performance of the whole night.

Here we go - (BTW, I don't think an apology is required - I was only calling into question the claim)

The list below only covers albums, ignoring the fact that aside from singles, a considerable number of Beatles EPs were also released mostly in the UK where the format was more succesful than the US (and some were even held back for fear of saturating the market).

The absence of a release in early 1965 by the Beatles was due to beginning filming 'Help!' in February and then embarking on the recording of the studio album in April.

Although no 'Magical Mystery Tour' album release occurred in the UK, it was released as a double EP instead - the US release was made up of other material previously released as singles.

Otherwise, it possibly could be suggested (simply going by the dates) that the Beatles may have held back an album to avoid competing with The Stones would be during 1967, but that is unrealistic because it would have been 'Sgt Pepper' competing with a Stones' live release which was only half-live, and considered relatively weak.

I don't think there's much doubt that the Beatles were investing most of their time quarreling or ignoring each other resulting in delays in output towards the end rather than trying to execute a clever release plan to avoid meeting the Stones in the charts head-to-head - something they did for most of their career as a group and came out on top in terms of sales.

Mar 22 1963 Please Please Me [UK Mono] Parlophone
Apr 26 1963 Please Please Me [UK Stereo] Parlophone
Nov 22 1963 With The Beatles [UK] Parlophone
Jan 10 1964 Introducing The Beatles [US] VeeJay
Jan 20 1964 Meet The Beatles [US] Capitol
Feb 3 1964 The Beatles With Tony Sheridan And Guests [US] MGM
Feb 10 1964 Introducing The Beatles [US 2nd issue] VeeJay
Feb 26 1964 Jolly What! etc.. [US] VeeJay
Mar 1964 The Savage Young Beatles [US] Savage
Apr 10 1964 The Beatles' Second Album [US] Capitol

Apr 16 1964 The Rolling Stones (England's Newest... Abko
Apr 16 1964 The Rolling Stones (England's Newest... Decca
May 30 1964 The Rolling Stones (England's Newest... London
Jun 26 1964 A Hard Day's Night [US] United Artists
Jul 10 1964 A Hard Day's Night [UK] Parlophone
Jul 20 1964 Something New [US] Capitol
Oct 1 1964 The Beatles vs The Four Seasons [US] Veejay
Oct 5 1964 Ain't She Sweet [US] Atco
Oct 12 1964 Songs, Pictures and Stories [US] VeeJay

Oct 17 1964 12 X 5 ABKCO
Nov 23 1964 The Beatles' Story [US] Capitol
Dec 4 1964 Beatles For Sale Parlophone
Dec 15 1964 Beatles '65 [US] Capitol

Jan 30 1965 Rolling Stones No. 2 [UK] Decca
Mar 22 1965 The Early Beatles [US] Capitol
Apr 1965 The Rolling Stones Now! ABKCO
Jun 14 1965 Beatles VI [US] Capitol
Aug 1965 Out of Our Heads [US] ABKCO
Aug 6 1965 Help! [UK] Parlophone
Aug 13 1965 Help! [US] Capitol
Sep 6 1965 Out of Our Heads [UK] Abko
Dec 3 1965 Rubber Soul [UK] Parlophone
Dec 6 1965 Rubber Soul [US] Capitol
Dec 6 1965 December's Children (And Everybody's) ABKCO

Apr 5 1966 Aftermath [UK] Abko
Jun 1966 Aftermath [US] ABKCO
Jun 20 1966 "Yesterday" ... And Today [US] Capitol
Aug 5 1966 Revolver [UK] Parlophone
Aug 8 1966 Revolver [US] Capitol
Aug 15 1966 This Is Where It Started [US]
Oct 17 1966 The Amazing Beatles [US] Clarion

Nov 4 1966 Got Live If You Want It! ABKCO
Dec 9 1966 A Collection Of Beatles' Oldies Parlophone
Jan 20 1967 Between the Buttons [UK] ABKCO
Jan 20 1967 Between the Buttons [US] Abko
Jun 1 1967 Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band [UK] Parlophone
Jun 2 1967 Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band [US] Capitol
Jun 1967 Flowers ABKCO

Nov 1967 Their Satanic Majesties Request Abko
Nov 27 1967 Magical Mystery Tour [US] Capitol

Nov 1968 Beggars Banquet Abko
Nov 22 1968 The Beatles [US] Parlophone
Nov 25 1968 The Beatles [US] Capitol
Jan 13 1969 Yellow Submarine [US] Apple / Capitol
Jan 17 1969 Yellow Submarine Apple / Parlophone
Sep 26 1969 Abbey Road [UK] Apple / Parlophone
Oct 1 1969 Abbey Road [US] Apple / Capitol

Nov 28 1969 Let It Bleed Abko
Feb 26 1970 Hey Jude [US] Apple / Capitol
May 4 1970 The Beatles - In The Beginning [US] Polydor
May 8 1970 Let It Be (Box Set) [UK] Apple / Parlophone
May 18 1970 Let It Be [US] Apple / Capitol

Sep 4 1970 Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out [live]
Nov 6 1970 Let It Be [UK] Apple / Parlophone

Mainstream Beatles releases in blue, and Stones in red. Cash-in releases and re-releases, mainly by labels which acquired rights to early Beatles material are left uncoloured because the Beatles had little to no influence on the releases.
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[This message was edited Thu Feb 12 2:58:05 PST 2004 by langebleu]

angle1234 said:

he was nominated you idiot. why do you make it sound like he is so desperate for awards. he doesn't care about them anymore.

I thought you meant b/c he didn't get the grammy for NEWS - I really thought he would

CalhounSq said:

Really... NEWS isn't bad.. but i'm very surprised it even got nominated.

When was the last time he won one Grammy?

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Can I steal this?

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

sure.

wow cool info!

i think once the beatles and the stones discussed something like this, as they were all friends, and the whole rivalry between them was a media frabrication. but i cant recall when this was, or what for! i think it might have been for a single or something. but they DEFINATELY talked about that sort of stuff.

what i think it may have been, was releasing things around the same time, to allow the media to play it up so both bands sold more records.

Do you think that treu respect would have had him closing rather than opening? Was the industry telling him, "OK, we like the numbers, but don't get too big a head over this."?

ThreadBare said:

I agree with you.

Except Mr Tarrantino thinking that 2003 was the 20th anniversary!

Mutiny04 said:

Exactly. Were you expecting a mass worship session? Everbody bow down to Prince?

They had the Luther tribute because the man just had a stroke and new album.

WTF? Never mind the 18 albums and all the hits he's had, right? Do you even know how stupid that statement sounds outside the .org?