Because of his large moustache, Larry was mistaken for one of the Village People and was put on the wrong plane home when leaving San Francisco.
He is now playing some of the larger cruise ships in the Pacific, alongside the cowboy, Native American and construction worker. Before After Larry is second to the left and having a FABULOUS time with his new friends... | |
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Larry's a wanker! Prince should tell him to fuck off. Except he won't now will he? | |
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muleFunk said: Once again people who don't know anything are making asses out of themselves.
Larry Graham is the man who invented the "slap" technique with the bass guitar and is an innovator in Funk. In 1997 Prince was scheduled to play at the GEC on the same evening that Sinbad's Summer Funk Tour was across town at the Nashville Ampitheater.Prince held up his concert for 3 hours just so he could see Larry sn others such as the P-Funk All Stars play.Prince returned to the GEC and gave his best Nashville concerts and then led a 3 hour aftershow at the Music City Mix Factory which was truly incredible.Prince became good friends with Larry and his wife and this friendship led to a spritual change with Prince. The last 4-5 years of the 1990's were probably the toughest in his life.In 1996,his child was born without eyes and soon passed away.His album,Emancipation, was released on BMI records which soon after the release of the album went bankrupt .Six songs rotted on the vine waiting to be released.In 1999 Prince & Mayte "divorced" .A second comeback album ,Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic flopped.In the first couple of years in the new century ,Prince's parents both died and his siblings (which are crack addicts) sued to get the houses Prince bought for his parents. This is my point .Prince was in need of someone to be his FRIEND and mentor.Larry Graham was that person.If you had the opportunity how many of you could be that person. Not a fan/fam. Not a lover. Not a judge . Not a critic. A FRIEND ? Look up the word and understand the meaning. Nicely said. If more people put some thought into it they would see the very same thing. With all of the attrocity in the world the man needed a friend. People hate Larry because they assume that he influenced Prince towards his belief. They like the old personality he had rather than the new. I am all to familiar with this same thing. When I started studying the bible my former friends hated it because they no longer seen me curse, smoke, fight or get drunk. When I started to put the applications in the bible into my reality I actually was 90% happier! Sadly, I lost my former friends who hated my bible study. But I pray one day they themselves would look into it without bias or a hidden agenda. Interestingly enough I now have a bevy of friends in every city I go who would at a drop of a dime take me in as a true brother in the faith. Now that's what a SOUL BROTHA' should really mean! Really the application helps you so much that life without the knowledge of it is very bleak and unclear. [This message was edited Mon Feb 16 16:29:31 2004 by jojofran] | |
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I hope you find success my Brother in your endevors.
To respond to an earlier post: The house Prince's father spent his remaining days on this Earth belonged to Prince.It was the infamous Purple House of the 1999/Purple Rain era. | |
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Marrk said: Larry's a wanker! Prince should tell him to fuck off. Except he won't now will he?
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People have a lot of nerve telling Prince who he should be friends with.
I have met Larry and while I don't exactly believe in the JW doctorine I have to admit that Larry has an aura of peace and it is inspiring. Larry seems very happy and content and more and more Prince seems to look happy so more power to him. Plus Larry is funky as hell! Haters you will have to deal with the fact that just last night Prince and Larry played together . [This message was edited Mon Feb 16 18:02:49 2004 by lovemachine] | |
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lovemachine said: People have a lot of nerve telling Prince who he should be friends with.
I have met Larry and while I don't exactly believe in the JW doctorine I have to admit that Larry has an aura of peace and it is inspiring. Larry seems very happy and content and more and more Prince seems to look happy so more power to him. Plus Larry is funky as hell! Haters you will have to deal with the fact that just last night Prince and Larry played together . [This message was edited Mon Feb 16 18:02:49 2004 by lovemachine] Yes, isn't that something??? (these bros are still tight...now U will have to backtrack and say Prince is playing awful...cause Larry was there. Let's see...what has Prince done lately we can blame on Larry? Oh, we'll think of something....now that we know Larry is still in the mix. The fans love Prince. Prince loves Larry. The fans hate Larry. A STRANGE RELATIONSHIP.....YUP YUP! So...how's everybody doing? | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Feeding Prince's doves at Paisley, and watering his plants.
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ivdf said: What about no blood tranfussions? Isn't that clear? Are not JW's dying everyday because they refuse to have blood tranfussions when it's the only chance they have to survive? What about that? Isn't that suicide?
What belief of the JW do U know, that leads 2 suicide? I´m JW 4 more than a decade and haven´t found one. But in fact I saw a lot of people who changed their self-destructive lifestyle with the help of these beliefs, that r closely based on Jesus´ teachings of real christian love. I´m not surprised U mention it, because the media makes sensation about it 4 selling papers. The JW-Haters (there r a lot of them, I dont think of U ) try 2 put it in a wrong context 2 manipulate others and make negative mood against JW. In fact, very right what THE FROG said. JW choose another, alternative medical method as the blood transfusion. From the medical point of view it´s more reasonable than take risky blood transfusions (no one seems 2 make it public how many people died because of unnecessairy blood transfusions). Problems mostly arose when JW´s right of choosing alternative medical methods is not respected by doctors. JW don´t agree with blood transfusions because of explicit biblical statements, like written in The Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 15, Verses 28 and 29. Hundreds of German JW died in the Nazi Concentration Camps, because they didn´t take part in Hitler´s war. Was this suicide? Surely NOT! They could get imediately free by just signing a Nazi document, that proves that they have left their belief (only very few have done this). 2 obey the clear biblical demand in case of blood has the same importance 2 us. | |
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I am no hater of religion or any person - don't begi to understand much of the JW faith but then I am sure that lots of people don't begin to understand the things I do and why I do them.
But.... Larry Graham for me is embarrassing - he has no sense of style - he is not sexy - he is not enigmatic - for me he does not have what prince has - and for that matter what most ( not all) of the band past and present have - class / cool / funk Candy - too sexy - cool as hell Maceo - too cool - and he is sexy in his way! John Blackwell - way out there in terms of talent and cool They are not there to steal the show - the limelight - they do their bit and they let their skill and cool shine through Larry wears a stupid ass white 70's ice cream suit and a kid creole stupid ass floppy hat - topped off with a big moustache - big moustaches are not cool - sorry for all who wear them - but unless you are a second world war pilot or a pirate you have no business with that! To my untrained ear when I have seen him onstage he is good but not innovative enough - he plays in the same way and style - And add to that that he is simply the worst dancer with the most enforced "yeah lets all be happy - come on people we are reall all just one big world family" preacher crap and I think you may now know why I wish he would just fuck off and stop spoiling all the decent stuff that the NPG produce. I am no chooser of friends for P - not my choice - LG may be a great friend but he is a bad choice of bandmember. If I wanted that stuff I would have all the Graham Central Station stuff - but I dont. Let battle commence | |
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LoveRobot said: I am no hater of religion or any person - don't begi to understand much of the JW faith but then I am sure that lots of people don't begin to understand the things I do and why I do them.
But.... Larry Graham for me is embarrassing - he has no sense of style - he is not sexy - he is not enigmatic - for me he does not have what prince has - and for that matter what most ( not all) of the band past and present have - class / cool / funk Candy - too sexy - cool as hell Maceo - too cool - and he is sexy in his way! John Blackwell - way out there in terms of talent and cool They are not there to steal the show - the limelight - they do their bit and they let their skill and cool shine through Larry wears a stupid ass white 70's ice cream suit and a kid creole stupid ass floppy hat - topped off with a big moustache - big moustaches are not cool - sorry for all who wear them - but unless you are a second world war pilot or a pirate you have no business with that! To my untrained ear when I have seen him onstage he is good but not innovative enough - he plays in the same way and style - And add to that that he is simply the worst dancer with the most enforced "yeah lets all be happy - come on people we are reall all just one big world family" preacher crap and I think you may now know why I wish he would just fuck off and stop spoiling all the decent stuff that the NPG produce. I am no chooser of friends for P - not my choice - LG may be a great friend but he is a bad choice of bandmember. If I wanted that stuff I would have all the Graham Central Station stuff - but I dont. Let battle commence A lot of meaningless babble and not a single word about whatis most important in this issue -- Larry`s musical talent and extreme influence on Prince over the past 35 years. C`mon people, how lame can you get, arguing against a musician because he sports a moustache? | |
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Ubiquity said: Prince used to be a freak who was hiding from people, playing mindgames. Now he even allows his fans to join himon stage and hang out, he has no problem with people talking to him. He wasnt like that before. he has changed.
You say he has changed, because you yourself can see that and because you hear it from people who know him personally. I could counter that by saying that seeing that yourself is subjective; many others don't see it. What people who know him personally have said I can't counter, but I can say that what others say isn't always entirely true (as you very well know). So I argue that your assertion that Prince has changed and is now more happier is more a subjective opinion than an objective fact. Plus I argue that Prince let fans on the stage also before recently, that he was not thát problematic about "people talking to him" before, and... that he is still a "freak" playing mindgames with people, because... , in my view, he still played mindgames (this time with fans) during the first 3 years of the Club. of course, this also just my subjective observation and opinion. -- [This message was edited Tue Feb 17 6:43:08 2004 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Abrazo said: Ubiquity said: Prince used to be a freak who was hiding from people, playing mindgames. Now he even allows his fans to join himon stage and hang out, he has no problem with people talking to him. He wasnt like that before. he has changed.
You say he has changed, because you yourself can see that and because you hear it from people who know him personally. I could counter that by saying that seeing that yourself is subjective; many others don't see it. What people who know him personally have said I can't counter, but I can say that what others say isn't always entirely true (as you very well know). So I argue that your assertion that Prince has changed and is now more happier is more a subjective opinion than an objective fact. Plus I argue that Prince let fans on the stage also before recently, that he was not thát problematic about "people talking to him" before, and... that he is still a "freak" playing mindgames with people, because... , in my view, he still played mindgames (this time with fans) during the first 3 years of the Club. of course, this also just my subjective observation and opinion. -- [This message was edited Tue Feb 17 6:43:08 2004 by Abrazo] | |
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Abrazo said:[quote] Ubiquity said: You say he has changed, because you yourself can see that and because you hear it from people who know him personally. I could counter that by saying that seeing that yourself is subjective; many others don't see it. What people who know him personally have said I can't counter, but I can say that what others say isn't always entirely true (as you very well know). So I argue that your assertion that Prince has changed and is now more happier is more a subjective opinion than an objective fact. Plus I argue that Prince let fans on the stage also before recently, that he was not thát problematic about "people talking to him" before, and... that he is still a "freak" playing mindgames with people, because... , in my view, he still played mindgames (this time with fans) during the first 3 years of the Club. of course, this also just my subjective observation and opinion. -- [This message was edited Tue Feb 17 6:43:08 2004 by Abrazo] You can talk around the issue as much as you want. But you can`t change that fact that everybody who has known Prince for years is talking about how much more mellow and happy he is these days. Even people who were hurt badly by him years ago are talking to him again and starting to hang out. Of course that can all be wrong, and the fans are the ones who really know what Prince acts like and how he feels... | |
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thEfRIeNdChiP said: ivdf said: What about no blood tranfussions? Isn't that clear? Are not JW's dying everyday because they refuse to have blood tranfussions when it's the only chance they have to survive? What about that? Isn't that suicide?
I´m not surprised U mention it, because the media makes sensation about it 4 selling papers. The JW-Haters (there r a lot of them, I dont think of U ) try 2 put it in a wrong context 2 manipulate others and make negative mood against JW. In fact, very right what THE FROG said. JW choose another, alternative medical method as the blood transfusion. From the medical point of view it´s more reasonable than take risky blood transfusions (no one seems 2 make it public how many people died because of unnecessairy blood transfusions). Problems mostly arose when JW´s right of choosing alternative medical methods is not respected by doctors. JW don´t agree with blood transfusions because of explicit biblical statements, like written in The Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 15, Verses 28 and 29. Hundreds of German JW died in the Nazi Concentration Camps, because they didn´t take part in Hitler´s war. Was this suicide? Surely NOT! They could get imediately free by just signing a Nazi document, that proves that they have left their belief (only very few have done this). 2 obey the clear biblical demand in case of blood has the same importance 2 us. Beautiful! | |
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A lot of meaningless babble and not a single word about whatis most important in this issue -- Larry`s musical talent and extreme influence on Prince over the past 35 years. C`mon people, how lame can you get, arguing against a musician because he sports a moustache? ; unquote Read my post again; you clearly have not done so. The man may well be able to play but plays in one style only and is an ambarrassment who remains in another era. He is a misfit. The moustache is the hair that broke the bassplayers top lip [This message was edited Tue Feb 17 7:47:47 2004 by LoveRobot] | |
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Ubiquity said:[quote] Abrazo said: Ubiquity said: You say he has changed, because you yourself can see that and because you hear it from people who know him personally. I could counter that by saying that seeing that yourself is subjective; many others don't see it. What people who know him personally have said I can't counter, but I can say that what others say isn't always entirely true (as you very well know). So I argue that your assertion that Prince has changed and is now more happier is more a subjective opinion than an objective fact. Plus I argue that Prince let fans on the stage also before recently, that he was not thát problematic about "people talking to him" before, and... that he is still a "freak" playing mindgames with people, because... , in my view, he still played mindgames (this time with fans) during the first 3 years of the Club. of course, this also just my subjective observation and opinion. -- [This message was edited Tue Feb 17 6:43:08 2004 by Abrazo] You can talk around the issue as much as you want. But you can`t change that fact that everybody who has known Prince for years is talking about how much more mellow and happy he is these days. Even people who were hurt badly by him years ago are talking to him again and starting to hang out. Of course that can all be wrong, and the fans are the ones who really know what Prince acts like and how he feels... But unfortunately you cannot say that this is to do with Larry's influence / not - perhaps it is Mani's influence or maybe tha fact that he stopped eating cheese - none of us know. What is clear is that Larry onstage is a pain in the ass who tries to steal the limelight , upset the vibe and turn the whole thing into a goodwill precaching session. Hence it is better if he isnt onstage anymore | |
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Look, if the guy is content with his life, and content with his friend, then let him be. Even though I am not happy with the direction of his music since he began associating with Larry Graham, it's not my life. All that being said, from what I have read, and not just on this site, Larry Graham seems like a somewhat manipulative character who's latched onto Prince not just for religious or altruistic reasons. That's a hunch.
However, Prince rarely keeps friends or associates around for very long. So if he did ditch Larry -- or even his newly-found beliefs -- it wouldn't surprise me one bit. [This message was edited Tue Feb 17 7:51:53 2004 by namepeace] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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LoveRobot said: But unfortunately you cannot say that this is to do with Larry's influence / not - perhaps it is Mani's influence or maybe tha fact that he stopped eating cheese - none of us know. EXACTLY!!! I have never said that Larry made Prince a happy man, it`s others who constantly claim that he "drove Prince to being a JW". I don`t buy that. Prince has made this decision all by himself. But it`s obvious that his discision made him a happier and more humble human being. That`s all I am saying. People should leave Larry out of this, and people should let Prince decide for himself what makes him happy. What he chose for himself is obviously working, so why do people think it`s so wrong? What is clear is that Larry onstage is a pain in the ass who tries to steal the limelight , upset the vibe and turn the whole thing into a goodwill precaching session. Hence it is better if he isnt onstage anymore I have to agree that some of Larry`s performances with Prince didnt convince me, while others did. But the appearances of people like Tony M., the Game Boyz, Prince`s lame DJs and others have bothered me much more. | |
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Ubiquity said: LoveRobot said: But unfortunately you cannot say that this is to do with Larry's influence / not - perhaps it is Mani's influence or maybe tha fact that he stopped eating cheese - none of us know. EXACTLY!!! I have never said that Larry made Prince a happy man, it`s others who constantly claim that he "drove Prince to being a JW". I don`t buy that. Prince has made this decision all by himself. But it`s obvious that his discision made him a happier and more humble human being. That`s all I am saying. People should leave Larry out of this, and people should let Prince decide for himself what makes him happy. What he chose for himself is obviously working, so why do people think it`s so wrong? What is clear is that Larry onstage is a pain in the ass who tries to steal the limelight , upset the vibe and turn the whole thing into a goodwill precaching session. Hence it is better if he isnt onstage anymore I have to agree that some of Larry`s performances with Prince didnt convince me, while others did. But the appearances of people like Tony M., the Game Boyz, Prince`s lame DJs and others have bothered me much more. Have to say I couldnt agree more with you re all the above - my only gripes are with those matters in my original post - I could not give 2 hoots about either P's or Larry's religions, beliefs, treatment of others, personal life, sorrows etc - all I am here for is the music and the uplift it gives me. Selfish I know but then its his job (and gift)!! | |
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LoveRobot said: Have to say I couldnt agree more with you re all the above - my only gripes are with those matters in my original post - I could not give 2 hoots about either P's or Larry's religions, beliefs, treatment of others, personal life, sorrows etc - all I am here for is the music and the uplift it gives me. Selfish I know but then its his job (and gift)!! I don`t care about that either. All I see is that Prince is more balanced and mature today, and that is reflected in his music. I did not like his "confused-era" when he put out stuff like "Chaos and Disorder". | |
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Ubiquity said: LoveRobot said: Have to say I couldnt agree more with you re all the above - my only gripes are with those matters in my original post - I could not give 2 hoots about either P's or Larry's religions, beliefs, treatment of others, personal life, sorrows etc - all I am here for is the music and the uplift it gives me. Selfish I know but then its his job (and gift)!! I don`t care about that either. All I see is that Prince is more balanced and mature today, and that is reflected in his music. I did not like his "confused-era" when he put out stuff like "Chaos and Disorder". Believe it or not I actually dig Chaos and Disorder!!! | |
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OdysseyMiles said: thEfRIeNdChiP said: ivdf said: What about no blood tranfussions? Isn't that clear? Are not JW's dying everyday because they refuse to have blood tranfussions when it's the only chance they have to survive? What about that? Isn't that suicide?
I´m not surprised U mention it, because the media makes sensation about it 4 selling papers. The JW-Haters (there r a lot of them, I dont think of U ) try 2 put it in a wrong context 2 manipulate others and make negative mood against JW. In fact, very right what THE FROG said. JW choose another, alternative medical method as the blood transfusion. From the medical point of view it´s more reasonable than take risky blood transfusions (no one seems 2 make it public how many people died because of unnecessairy blood transfusions). Problems mostly arose when JW´s right of choosing alternative medical methods is not respected by doctors. JW don´t agree with blood transfusions because of explicit biblical statements, like written in The Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 15, Verses 28 and 29. Hundreds of German JW died in the Nazi Concentration Camps, because they didn´t take part in Hitler´s war. Was this suicide? Surely NOT! They could get imediately free by just signing a Nazi document, that proves that they have left their belief (only very few have done this). 2 obey the clear biblical demand in case of blood has the same importance 2 us. Beautiful! [This message was edited Tue Feb 17 8:55:23 2004 by thEfRIeNdChiP] | |
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thEfRIeNdChiP said: OdysseyMiles said: Beautiful! [This message was edited Tue Feb 17 8:55:23 2004 by thEfRIeNdChiP] What alternative medical method do JWs choose instead of a blood transfusion? Example - car crash - traumatic amputation of leg - horrendous blood loss - transfusion needed to restore blood loss - what alternative are you as a JW (or anything else) suggesting is available? | |
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LoveRobot said: thEfRIeNdChiP said: [This message was edited Tue Feb 17 8:55:23 2004 by thEfRIeNdChiP] What alternative medical method do JWs choose instead of a blood transfusion? Example - car crash - traumatic amputation of leg - horrendous blood loss - transfusion needed to restore blood loss - what alternative are you as a JW (or anything else) suggesting is available? I´m not a doctor , so I just summarize some facts from 2 articles: As far as I understand, in a case of an extreme blood loss the most important thing is 2 manage that there is enough volume 4 the red cells 2 float and transport oxygene in the body and 2 stop the bleeding. As a blood volume replacement can b used saline (salt) solution, that is nonblood fluid which is both - inexpensive and compatible with our blood. At the same time cooling a patient to lessen his oxygen needs during surgery. Also helping the body 2 form more red cells by giving them iron-containing preparations (into muscles or veins), which can aid the body in making red cells three to four times faster than normal. Meticulous operative technique, such as electrocautery to minimize bleeding. Sometimes blood flowing into a wound can be aspirated, filtered, and directed back into circulation. That´s some stuff from the following articles: THE FIRST THE SECOND Now focusing on Larry Graham again? If U have more questions feel free 2 orgnote me. ROB | |
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thEfRIeNdChiP said: LoveRobot said: What alternative medical method do JWs choose instead of a blood transfusion? Example - car crash - traumatic amputation of leg - horrendous blood loss - transfusion needed to restore blood loss - what alternative are you as a JW (or anything else) suggesting is available? I´m not a doctor , so I just summarize some facts from 2 articles: As far as I understand, in a case of an extreme blood loss the most important thing is 2 manage that there is enough volume 4 the red cells 2 float and transport oxygene in the body and 2 stop the bleeding. As a blood volume replacement can b used saline (salt) solution, that is nonblood fluid which is both - inexpensive and compatible with our blood. At the same time cooling a patient to lessen his oxygen needs during surgery. Also helping the body 2 form more red cells by giving them iron-containing preparations (into muscles or veins), which can aid the body in making red cells three to four times faster than normal. Meticulous operative technique, such as electrocautery to minimize bleeding. Sometimes blood flowing into a wound can be aspirated, filtered, and directed back into circulation. That´s some stuff from the following articles: THE FIRST THE SECOND Now focusing on Larry Graham again? If U have more questions feel free 2 orgnote me. ROB YES, let's get back to the Larry Graham debate, and not arguing over JW doctrine. The whole blood transfusion thing is a tricky subject, and its better not to get into that whole argument. Kudos to you for stating your case, and then getting back on topic. Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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I gotta say Lil' Lurry put it down Sunday night @ the Fillmore I'm glad he didn't have him up for a whole set (I've had all the Sly & the Family Stone-revue I can take, frankly) but the one song they did together was hot. Larry is an incredible player so I like it when he plays, it's just a bit much when P turns the show over to him...
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Nobody has still given logical reasons for not liking Larry. I ask again, seriously, not snidely, what did he do wrong. And yes, prince does change lyrics to his songs but he does it in a way that is humbling to himself. In a recent Purple Rain performance I caught on to the fact that he changed the lyrics from his messianic delusional 'let me lead you' to the' let him lead you'. I'm not religious, in fact I hate all religion. That's never been why I liked Prince. To tell you the truth, I never thought of Prince the person all that highly, if he's a better person now, great. I don't care what it is that creates this, I was always dissapointed reading every biography that came out on him and made him sound like a total idiot. Don't get me wrong, I love him but he's not someone I would walk up to on the street. The plain fact from many people who have been there through all kinds of stages with Prince will say that he's been through some dark periods in his life, experimented with drugs, I've heard he tried to kill himself, (don't know how close that is to the truth) and he once surrounded himself by what Rosie Gaines , who liked the man, by "people who aren't any good for him" and people who harrassed her. He also would go without paying many of his musicians, I don't think out of malice but just being nebulous in business. He's just a man. Many men in his position have been broken, one of the reasons being the utter alienation and the hero worship. I do hope he is happier and is someone I can grow old with. Someone people will look upon like Ellington was in old age, a great master. | |
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thEfRIeNdChiP said: LoveRobot said: What alternative medical method do JWs choose instead of a blood transfusion? Example - car crash - traumatic amputation of leg - horrendous blood loss - transfusion needed to restore blood loss - what alternative are you as a JW (or anything else) suggesting is available? I´m not a doctor , so I just summarize some facts from 2 articles: As far as I understand, in a case of an extreme blood loss the most important thing is 2 manage that there is enough volume 4 the red cells 2 float and transport oxygene in the body and 2 stop the bleeding. As a blood volume replacement can b used saline (salt) solution, that is nonblood fluid which is both - inexpensive and compatible with our blood. At the same time cooling a patient to lessen his oxygen needs during surgery. Also helping the body 2 form more red cells by giving them iron-containing preparations (into muscles or veins), which can aid the body in making red cells three to four times faster than normal. Meticulous operative technique, such as electrocautery to minimize bleeding. Sometimes blood flowing into a wound can be aspirated, filtered, and directed back into circulation. That´s some stuff from the following articles: THE FIRST THE SECOND Now focusing on Larry Graham again? If U have more questions feel free 2 orgnote me. ROB Sorry but have to respond. a. volume expansion is only appropriate where no further red blood cells are needed b. shock is a minor factor if red blood cell loss is severe - thats the major prob c. there are no ways of replacing red blood cells quickly other than straight transfusion d. the body will only replace red blood cells itself where there is significant time available In my example the choice is stark - transfuse or die. There are NO other alternatives. Now I have no prob with that as a choice per se but please dont pretend that the choice is otherwise. And irrespective of the whole blood argument (which I confess I played devil's advocate with) Larry Graham still sucks ass and I just pray (in a non-religious way of course!) that he is off the music scene vsv NPG and prince. | |
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