Ubiquity said:

Damn, you really like to follow me around huh? You want an autograph or something?


Anyways, TRC is junk and will always be junk. The mainstream wipes their ass with it, as they should.

rainbow children is musicly the best ever album by prince.
it's very soulful,it will stand the test of time.
if somnebody ask me why i consider prince a genius i would not say
because he droped the bass from when doves cry,
i would put in "the last december"
that song is amazing jorney to the soul of one man.
it's incredable song.
that song tells you a story,every minute of it is fantastic.
in that song alone you can hear all the beauty of prince.
and ppl heard more of rainbow children then u would think.
i live in a small town in serbia.and in my city at least
25 ppl heard that album(all excepted it great)
my town is 2000 ppl living by the way.

Y'all need to leave EWM alone. Not everyone is going to like TRC. He didn't say anything about anybody's culture he probably just prefers some of Prince's other styles. I think it's his screen name more than anything that's got people up in arms when he speaks out against something Prince does or doesn't do. In reality he's not saying anything different than the others here who don't like any Prince's music since... whenever.

thebanishedone said:

No offence, but this is a little scary.

No, your musical ignorance is a little scary. But what can we expect from a Marilyn Mason fan.

Listen, big man. Why don`t you explain us why you think that Prince was so mighty in the 80`s and why TRV sucks so much? And what Larry has to do with it?
Please don`t deliver one of your meaningless assults. Just talk about the music, get a little deep for once.

Prince was mighty in the 80's because he delivered brilliant music and performances that was always fresh, new, and exciting. His music appealed to millions of people.

I agree to a certain extend. The 80s were musically a rather dull decade, and Prince broke through that dullness. But the appeal you are talking about means NOTHING for the quality of his music. Britney Spears appeals to millions as well.

TRC is an album that only appeals to a small group of people.

Again, what's wrong with that? So did John Coltrane`s "A Love Supreme", and it`s still one of the most recognized and influential pieces in music history.You keep repeating that argument, but it`s garbage.

In my opinion, it's boring, irritating, and to be totally honest, garbage.

That`s not the musical analysis I was asking for. I am afraid you know too little about music to actually explain what should be wrong with TRC.
If you simply don`t like it, that`s okay, if that`s your taste. But that doesnt make it a bad record.

The majority of Prince fans I know personally, also think it sucks.

The majority of Prince fans I know consider it his finest hour. It really depends on the type of people you hang with.

If Prince were to start his career right now with music like that, he'd be a musician on the side while flipping burgers somewhere.

Probably. But again, it doesnt say anything about the quality of his music. Most great musicians today can`t really live of their music. And most musicians making millions, are selling us garbage.

The only reason he sold as many copies as he did is because of his more hardcore fans who will buy anything he puts out.

I agree. So what?

Larry's influence has definitely effected his music and behavior, and not in a good way.

It didn`t? Prince grew up listening to Graham Central Station and Sly Stone. Larry's musical impact helped to make Prince who he is. And that happened way before they have actually met. If you believe that Larry started having an influence on Prince around 1996, then you 1. have never understood Prince`s musical background, and 2. you don't know shit about black music.

Prince forced himself to tone down his behavior and G-rate his lyrics all because Larry told him he'd be a better person if he did that.

This is not Larry`s rule, but that of the JWs. Larry happens to be one of them, but Prince`s doesnt worship Larry Graham, he worships Jehova. That was HIS decision, not Larrys.

Then to top it all off, he had Larry take over many of his after shows, of course to our unfortunate surprise.

I personally didnt like it either how much room he gave Larry. So I agree with you here.

He was pimping Larry all over the place cuz Larry's career was dead in the water.

Larry started a major comeback with GCS back in 1994, way before he hooked up with Prince. He played major festivals with 10,000 viewers and more. Actually it was a rather bad commercial move for him to go with Prince, because he lost credibility within the funk community.


Larry brainwashed him with the JW crap and used Prince to get on big stages. Unfortunately Prince is the real one to blame cuz he's so weak minded and needed a father figure to guide him through life. He accepted the sad influence.

Are you Prince`s psychologist or something? Seems like you know exactly what`s in the man`s brain. If you know that man so well, I wonder why YOU didnt get to influence him.


So there ya go.

Thank you. Now I wonder if you are actually gonna be able to reply to any of my points with thought.

On the Grammy's not his too short I want to get this over with greatest hits thing. He does not need to be seen as old time rivival act.


www.terrydobbin.com

I agree to a certain extend. The 80s were musically a rather dull decade, and Prince broke through that dullness.

Musically dull decade? Are you serious? The 80's was filled with awesome music, Duran Duran, Michael Jackson, Madonna, RUN DMC, David Bowie, Depeche Mode, Guns N Roses, Billy Idol, Wham, Pat Benetar, Tears For Fears, The Eurithmics, INXS, Cindy Lauper, and the list goes on and on. The one thing people miss the most about the 80's is the music.

But the appeal you are talking about means NOTHING for the quality of his music. Britney Spears appeals to millions as well.

But Britney's just a performer, she's not a real artist who writes songs and plays instruments. Everyone recognized Prince's talent.

Again, what's wrong with that? So did John Coltrane`s "A Love Supreme", and it`s still one of the most recognized and influential pieces in music history.You keep repeating that argument, but it`s garbage.

It's not garbage, cuz TRC came and went and will never be remembered by anyone except hardcore fans. There was no buzz on that album.

That`s not the musical analysis I was asking for. I am afraid you know too little about music to actually explain what should be wrong with TRC.

I've already explained what I feel is wrong with it.

If you simply don`t like it, that`s okay, if that`s your taste. But that doesnt make it a bad record.

It's always a matter of opinion. I do think it was a bad choice to release it as an official Prince record.

The majority of Prince fans I know consider it his finest hour. It really depends on the type of people you hang with.

Well thank God I don't have friends like that.

Probably. But again, it doesnt say anything about the quality of his music. Most great musicians today can`t really live of their music. And most musicians making millions, are selling us garbage.

That's definitely true.

It didn`t? Prince grew up listening to Graham Central Station and Sly Stone. Larry's musical impact helped to make Prince who he is. And that happened way before they have actually met.

I'm not talking about Larry's old ass music, I'm talking about the influence over the past few years.

If you believe that Larry started having an influence on Prince around 1996, then you 1. have never understood Prince`s musical background, and 2. you don't know shit about black music.

What's with you and "black music"? That has nothing to do with what we're discussing. Get off the black and white bullshit.

This is not Larry`s rule, but that of the JWs. Larry happens to be one of them, but Prince`s doesnt worship Larry Graham, he worships Jehova. That was HIS decision, not Larrys.

Well if not for Larry, Prince would still be cool and not so much of a square.

Larry started a major comeback with GCS back in 1994, way before he hooked up with Prince. He played major festivals with 10,000 viewers and more.

Festivals don't mean shit. The audience members could have been there just to see all the other bands.

Actually it was a rather bad commercial move for him to go with Prince, because he lost credibility within the funk community.

And Prince lost credibility with the world. Of course he started that trip a few years before Larry.

Are you Prince`s psychologist or something? Seems like you know exactly what`s in the man`s brain. If you know that man so well, I wonder why YOU didnt get to influence him.

Cuz he wouldn't accept me as a father figure.

Thank you. Now I wonder if you are actually gonna be able to reply to any of my points with thought.

Perhapse if you learn to debate without personal attacks. It takes two to tango.

Musically dull decade? Are you serious? The 80's was filled with awesome music, Duran Duran, Michael Jackson, Madonna, RUN DMC, David Bowie, Depeche Mode, Guns N Roses, Billy Idol, Wham, Pat Benetar, Tears For Fears, The Eurithmics, INXS, Cindy Lauper, and the list goes on and on. The one thing people miss the most about the 80's is the music.

Yes, I am serious. Most of that music above was simply trash. Carelessly produced synthesizer-stuff with no soul whatsover. I am convinced that most people your age simply love it because it brings back memories, but not because it was really great music. Bowie had his better days in the 70s, Jackson was good for a while, granted.

It's not garbage, cuz TRC came and went and will never be remembered by anyone except hardcore fans. There was no buzz on that album.

Yes there was. See, that`s what you do all the time. Only because YOU didn`t hear of something, you think that it didn`t happen. TRC was a major comeback for Prince especially in the black community (sorry for bringing up the racial issue again, but it`s simply a fact) and especially among musicians who have lost much respect for Prince during the 90s. Also, TRC turned a lot of former Prince fans like myself back on to Prince after they have lost interest for the music he put out in the past 14 years. Believe me, TRC had a major impact on a lot of people. And I am talking about the music, not the lyrics.

What's with you and "black music"? That has nothing to do with what we're discussing. Get off the black and white bullshit.

It`s not "black and white bullshit". It`s an important issue of Prince`s music today and of his mind as well. In the 80s, Prince put out mainly pop-records that appealed to the masses, black and white. Today, Prince has discovered his own blackness and roots and focuses on them musically. Didn`t you notice that Prince has very few white people in his band today? Didn`t you notice that he rarely releases any "colorless" pop songs anymore but plays more funk and jazz than ever before? You may see that as a bad thing and as a racial insult towards white people, but it`s not. Funk and Jazz are black forms of music, but every white person with soul is invited to enjoy it as well. Black music is open for everybody, it just comes out of the black community. There is nothing wrong with that.
Now obviously the problem is that you simply don`t dig real funk and jazz too much. That`s doesnt make you a racist, so please don`t get defensive again. It`s simply not your preference of music. People who are really into funk usually like TRC a lot. That doesn`t make them bad people, as you portray them.


Well if not for Larry, Prince would still be cool and not so much of a square.

Again, who are you to know? And by the way, last time I have seen Prince, he was cool as hell. You could learn a lot from him. And I don`t talk about his religious choice. As I have told you before, I am not a JW either, but if that is what makes Prince happy and mellow, what`s wrong with it? It`s obvious that he is happier than ever, so why do you wanna take that away from him? That`s the main question here.

Festivals don't mean shit. The audience members could have been there just to see all the other bands.

They could have. But when GCS was the headliner, and there were one ot two rather unknown funk bands opening up, it`s unlikely that people didnt come to see Larry. I have had the chance to catch a few of his shows, and they were some of the funkiest gigs I have been to.

And Prince lost credibility with the world. Of course he started that trip a few years before Larry.

Prince has lost credibility with the world when he has changed hos name to the silly symbol. When he changed it back to Prince, that`s when people started paying attention to him again. And he changed it back with TRC.

"PR has some strong moments---The Beautiful Ones and Darling Nikki---but the rest is nothing but average pop"


what about "When Doves Cry"???


...
[This message was edited Mon Feb 16 5:19:43 2004 by DavidEye]

hey, there´s nothing average about Purple Rain, the album

maybe those songs are way played out but they are still brilliant pop songs

DavidEye said:

Sorry. Can`t feel it. Nice little pop-tune, but I think it`s highly overrarated.

garganta said:

There are indeed some brilliant pop songs on that album. But they are packaged between some average pop. Do you really believe that "Take me with u", "I would die 4 U" and "Baby I`m a star" would qualify as musical milestones?

I think "When Doves Cry" is a strong contender for best song of the 80s.And what do you think of other strong tracks like "Computer Blue" and "Let's Go Crazy"?

Maybe those songs are not musical milestones,but they are superb songs.'Purple Rain' is a brilliant album with no filler.

Ubiquity said:

Obviously "Take me with u" got lots of mass appeal, or he wouldn`t play it. But do you really believe its "superb"? If it wasnt Prince who put it out, I doubt that you`d have ever noticed it.

Ubiquity said:

Maybe those songs are not musical milestones,but they are superb songs.'Purple Rain' is a brilliant album with no filler.

DavidEye said:

precisely! I love "I would die 4 U" and "Baby I am a star", both are great pop songs