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PrintableEverlastingNow said: I love the horns in his music and live for the most part, but I would rather hear Prince play something than to hear Maceo get his piece in AGAIN AND AGAIN. If I wanted the Maceo show I'd go see Maceo.
It's not about Maceo "getting his piece" any more than it's about Blackwell getting his piece or Renato or Candy or anyone. Seems to me there are people who hear the music of what Prince is doing and people who just want him to be the King of Pop, and Prince is so much more... Prince has started to use horns to punctuate to punch out sounds, he also pays tribute to what people like Larry and Maceo have contributed to music. Why is it that this site becomes full of people hating anyone who has some history and that Prince appreciates? If Maceo were really old school only why does he have more kids at his shows thatn Prince and why have more people sampled or used him than anyone else... Why am I even responding to this??? | |
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what's a 13 year old doing worrying about horns? | |
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Does anybody know what happened to horn player Eddie M. ?
I always thought he was pretty under rated. -----------------------------------------
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I don't think Prince these days spends much time worrying about appealing to teenagers. I'd hope not anyway.
One of the only good things Tony M ever rapped: "Hmmm, The pop scene, a little overrated" | |
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First, I love horns. Too much horn sound on Prince music? Well, he's human and it's for sure he has made mistakes sometimes.
But when we are talking about this period, about Maceo Parker, Greg Boyer, Eric Leeds, Candy Dulfer, Najee... For God's sake, they are incredible musicians and everthing they have played on Prince's concert is absolutely magical. Price, please, keep on playing with them. | |
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MashedPotatoKid said: i reckon P should leave the horns for the next album and tour - he overuses them
it all started in 86/87 with the miles davis influence. yes SOME horns, in moderation is all right, but overuse is overkill the only flaw of the black album was the horns. they were too far in the front. tone them down a bit or make them less prominent, then i could deal with that. take them out, put in some guitar, u've got a perfect black album. take 93-95 npg, they didn't need any horns and they were 2 funky, off the hook and they were his best band. horns were used on the exodus album and again it was its only flaw. turn 2 96 and emancipation. omg   he ruined that album due 2 "overhorning". joty and gygo were almost ruined. just watch the emancipation launch show. gygo is drowned out by the horns. they are too repetitive, too simple.
cut to recent years. prince now has a hardcore only fanbase. he isn't trying to get his records in the charts. he isn't trying to gain a new generation of fans. ONA was a jazzfest! yes i think the musics good but if he wants 2 succeed this year, ditch maceo and pals picture this, prince on a commericial comeback. lets face it, no teenager wants 2 see some religious guy preaching on stage in some double brested suit, playing a guitar, with some guys playing REAL instruments kids are into rap nowadays, trust me. i'm 13, ALL my friends listen to 2pac, dre, snoop, 50 cent. even i do sometimes. with his current image and music, he aint ever gonna make a comeback. ditch the horns ditch the suit ditch larry and he MIGHT make a comeback This is a joke right? | |
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booyah said: I like it when Prince is in big-band horns mode. Listen to some of the funk in aftershows from late '93, with solos by Kathy Jensen, Brian Gallagher etc. - some great stuff that I've never heard other bands do.
They play "Prince Funk". They have the sound that Prince would make if he played horns. I love the Hornheads. The even put out a couple of CDs. Cool stuff. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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MashedPotatoKid said: the only flaw of the black album was the horns.
OMG! I'm sorry, but I have just lost all respect for you as a human being!!! Eric Leeds and Atlanta Bliss just smoke on that stuff from '86-'90. And then in the 90s the Hornheads/NPG Hornz were the tightest mofo-ing horn section in the world! Check out "Billy Jack Bitch", "Y Should Eye Do That?" and "Groove On". And his horn section now (Maceo, Greg, Candy) have more of an old skool sound but they still are fucking tight as! But then again I'm a trumpet player so I'm biased but still... [This message was edited Sat Jan 31 9:10:11 PST 2004 by toejam] Toejam @ Peach & Black Podcast: http://peachandblack.podbean.com
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Rebeka said: EverlastingNow said: I love the horns in his music and live for the most part, but I would rather hear Prince play something than to hear Maceo get his piece in AGAIN AND AGAIN. If I wanted the Maceo show I'd go see Maceo.
It's not about Maceo "getting his piece" any more than it's about Blackwell getting his piece or Renato or Candy or anyone. Seems to me there are people who hear the music of what Prince is doing and people who just want him to be the King of Pop, and Prince is so much more... Prince has started to use horns to punctuate to punch out sounds, he also pays tribute to what people like Larry and Maceo have contributed to music. Why is it that this site becomes full of people hating anyone who has some history and that Prince appreciates? If Maceo were really old school only why does he have more kids at his shows thatn Prince and why have more people sampled or used him than anyone else... Why am I even responding to this??? Why am I even responding to this??? Good question especially your response is so far off. I am a musician and I understand the context of the new band just fine thanks. The thread topic has to do with the horn players being left at home right? MY opinion is I love the horns but I'd RATHER hear Prince play solos than hearing Maceo doing yet ANOTHER solo. Case in point, one of the most amazing shows I've seen Prince do, and please keep in mind that I've been seeing him since 1983, was the heavy guitar night at the 2002 Celebration. Prince commanded every song, and YES there were solos by all band members but they fit so perfect with the jam that a new level of perfomance was reached that night. So please know someone's point clearer before you assume that my wish is for Prince to be the king of anything okay? I hope you don't take this as more "prince hating" but c'mon get a clue. So in closing, I like Maceo but I think he gets to solo too much, I don't hate Prince or Maceo, but I stay warm at night with my hate for Larry though  | |
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DarrenMawbey said: Does anybody know what happened to horn player Eddie M. ?
I always thought he was pretty under rated. Really? Just listen to his earlier solo-work. You'll get over it. He plays in tune though.. | |
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OdysseyMiles said: 94-95 had plenty of horns. Horns all over 'Come' and 'The Gold Experience'.
And true music lovers appreciate artists that are true to themselves, not the ones going out of their way to please 13 year-olds. Prince is not McDonalds. You mean they can remove the horns with the hamburgers?! Wish i knew that earlier on.. | |
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MashedPotatoKid said: i reckon P should leave the horns for the next album and tour - he overuses them
it all started in 86/87 with the miles davis influence. yes SOME horns, in moderation is all right, but overuse is overkill the only flaw of the black album was the horns. they were too far in the front. tone them down a bit or make them less prominent, then i could deal with that. take them out, put in some guitar, u've got a perfect black album. take 93-95 npg, they didn't need any horns and they were 2 funky, off the hook and they were his best band. horns were used on the exodus album and again it was its only flaw. turn 2 96 and emancipation. omg he ruined that album due 2 "overhorning". joty and gygo were almost ruined. just watch the emancipation launch show. gygo is drowned out by the horns. they are too repetitive, too simple.
cut to recent years. prince now has a hardcore only fanbase. he isn't trying to get his records in the charts. he isn't trying to gain a new generation of fans. ONA was a jazzfest! yes i think the musics good but if he wants 2 succeed this year, ditch maceo and pals picture this, prince on a commericial comeback. lets face it, no teenager wants 2 see some religious guy preaching on stage in some double brested suit, playing a guitar, with some guys playing REAL instruments kids are into rap nowadays, trust me. i'm 13, ALL my friends listen to 2pac, dre, snoop, 50 cent. even i do sometimes. with his current image and music, he aint ever gonna make a comeback. ditch the horns ditch the suit ditch larry and he MIGHT make a comeback --- Your 13 you just learned how to wipe your butt 7 years ago. No one on this board cares that you don't like listening to horns. | |
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mmm.. you got a point there. didn't look at it this way so far. can't help not believing you're 13 years old though. i think it depends on whose playing & arranging these horn-parts. true, prince uses horns for decades now, but they don't sound as nasty now as they did back then. they're far more jazzy now. so, yeah, got to admit, a bit less on the horns would,t harm. and yes; the npg 94-95 line-up definitely rocked the world. by the way, can anyone explain why prince stood out on computerdrum programming (1999) and totally missed it in the 90's? or was it that horrible -whats his name- mr. kirk.. sorry , find it hard to pronounce his name. anyone knows what happened to him? | |
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EVERYONE!!! EVERYONE!!!
FOR THE RECORD I just checked out the profile of the kid who started this thread...and in the section where you name your favorite artists he has listed (drum roll please) TONY M. Isn't there some "your always wrong" policy on the org. if u like Tony M. I think that explains everything. Sorry kid, get back in the music books...your coming along, just don;t speak to soon. Hush now, let the grown folks talk. nero | |
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neronava said: EVERYONE!!! EVERYONE!!!
FOR THE RECORD I just checked out the profile of the kid who started this thread...and in the section where you name your favorite artists he has listed (drum roll please) TONY M. Isn't there some "your always wrong" policy on the org. if u like Tony M. I think that explains everything. Sorry kid, get back in the music books...your coming along, just don;t speak to soon. Hush now, let the grown folks talk. nero 
That's so true. 
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neronava said: EVERYONE!!! EVERYONE!!!
FOR THE RECORD I just checked out the profile of the kid who started this thread...and in the section where you name your favorite artists he has listed (drum roll please) TONY M. Isn't there some "your always wrong" policy on the org. if u like Tony M. I think that explains everything. Sorry kid, get back in the music books...your coming along, just don;t speak to soon. Hush now, let the grown folks talk. nero | |
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Spookymuffin said: neronava said: EVERYONE!!! EVERYONE!!!
FOR THE RECORD I just checked out the profile of the kid who started this thread...and in the section where you name your favorite artists he has listed (drum roll please) TONY M. Isn't there some "your always wrong" policy on the org. if u like Tony M. I think that explains everything. Sorry kid, get back in the music books...your coming along, just don;t speak to soon. Hush now, let the grown folks talk. nero
That's so true.
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Great one! You made me laugh out loud. ahem, thank you...thank you. Nerp | |
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MashedPotatoKid said: lets face it, no teenager wants 2 see some religious guy preaching on stage in some double brested suit, playing a guitar, with some guys playing REAL instruments
Let's face it: no adult aged 18-34 wants to see some religious guy preaching on stage in some double-breasted suit, playing a guitar, with some guys playing REAL instruments. That's why Prince isn't huge anymore...who cares what the "average" person wants...what kind of Prince fan would want to be average, anyway? No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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neronava said: Spookymuffin said: neronava said: EVERYONE!!! EVERYONE!!!
FOR THE RECORD I just checked out the profile of the kid who started this thread...and in the section where you name your favorite artists he has listed (drum roll please) TONY M. Isn't there some "your always wrong" policy on the org. if u like Tony M. I think that explains everything. Sorry kid, get back in the music books...your coming along, just don;t speak to soon. Hush now, let the grown folks talk. nero
That's so true.
ALL HAIL NERONAVA
Great one! You made me laugh out loud. ahem, thank you...thank you. Nerp Oh shuddup u arrogant Nero. U're not old enough to realize u only got a opinion. No more than that. | |
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MashedPotatoKid said: r1ghteousone said: the3rddoctor said: He overused Rosie Gaines, too...
Really hate her dontcha'? rosie gaines was alrite she was nothing on boni tho imho Boni was way better Luminous beings are we...not this crude matter.
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I don't have a problem with horns.
But seems like since TRC he's been on a "retro trip" trying to ape sounds from the 70s and earlier, and from reports of Musicology, that doesn't sound too dissimilar. *le sigh* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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dawn74 said: neronava said: Spookymuffin said: neronava said: EVERYONE!!! EVERYONE!!!
FOR THE RECORD I just checked out the profile of the kid who started this thread...and in the section where you name your favorite artists he has listed (drum roll please) TONY M. Isn't there some "your always wrong" policy on the org. if u like Tony M. I think that explains everything. Sorry kid, get back in the music books...your coming along, just don;t speak to soon. Hush now, let the grown folks talk. nero
That's so true.
ALL HAIL NERONAVA
Great one! You made me laugh out loud. ahem, thank you...thank you. Nerp Oh shuddup u arrogant Nero. U're not old enough to realize u only got a opinion. No more than that. What??? i don't really understand you but: I realize I'm just expressing my opinion...and it happens to be right, chill. | |
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you are 13, ok, I'm a 93 year old lady! | |
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Well, I'm an "old" fan, and I totally agree with Mash potato kid.
The horns are way overused. Prince seems to go in phases. Prince used to say he HATED real horns. Then Shiela got him into them and the 1985 to 88 period was then overloaded with horns. Then P calmed down, and generally used eric for projects and ballards. We had them pop up in 93-95, then make way for the keyboards again. At the moment he is back in a "horn overload" era again, and I can't wait for it to finish. He most creative work never involves other musicials, and horns is something he can't do on his own. Sure it works on something like girls and boys, but am I the really the only one to cringe when we gets the horn section to replace the keyboard line of When doves cry in concert??? I think Prince has become so obsessed with the "real musican" thing, that he has forgotten about "real creativity". He seems to be on a mission to save old school, rather than invent the new school. His current sound only affirms this backwards trend. . |
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Squirrelmeat, you cant be serious
If he didnt like Horns why do you think he listened to Tower of Power records? He based NPG Horns on Tower of Power. In fact all of those people in Hornheadz loved Tower of Power. Sly Stone had Horns Earth Wind and Fire had horns Chaka had Horns James had horns Al had Horns The only reason Prince didn't have horn section because the ish was expensive and he needed to cut corners. No Prince loved real horns and that quote sounds like a pile of cow dung. | |
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Trickology said: Squirrelmeat, you cant be serious
If he didnt like Horns why do you think he listened to Tower of Power records? He based NPG Horns on Tower of Power. In fact all of those people in Hornheadz loved Tower of Power. Sly Stone had Horns Earth Wind and Fire had horns Chaka had Horns James had horns Al had Horns The only reason Prince didn't have horn section because the ish was expensive and he needed to cut corners. No Prince loved real horns and that quote sounds like a pile of cow dung. Dont' get me wrong, I think prince can use horns very effectively, I just think he over uses them. I love sad music like Huey Lewis, who uses the real tower of power to full effect, but Prince simply over does it. Horns, whether you like them or not, tend to have a retro feel at the moment, and that leads Prince to being old school, and less attractive to commercial radio. They very thing he would like to re-capture. Prince stated he hated horn (was it the 82 Rolling Stone?, I can't remember). He was a keyboard king. I think he needs to do two things. Cut back or the horn, and learn how to use the latest keyboards. Even his keyboards are now sounding 70's retro (aka Muse). New artists are eating his creativity for breakfast. Just a view!  . |
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MashedPotatoKid said:[quote]i reckon P should leave the horns for the next album and tour - he overuses them
Actually no, you are way off base. Prince didnt over use Horns. And it's just not Miles it's Tower of Power/its Horny Horns. Miles is distinct but its way more than that when you have a section of horns. its alot over the years of horn players that are influenced by this sound. But did the Black album really have alot horns? Besides your statement let's look into the actual tracks 2 nigs? Horns? no When 2 r in love? no Bob George No Cindy C? yes Rock Hard? yes So Black album had some horns SOTT had some horns LOVESEXY had some horns Did BATMAN soundtrack have alot of horns? nope Did Graf Bridge? nope Diamonds and Pearls-so n so Symbol album-alot more Come? Some Gold Experience? not really Exodus ? some Emancipation? Not really New Power Soul? Some The Truth?No... Rainbow Children? Some Xpectation-some N.E.W.S.-some You may be 13, but you are out of touch with pop culture when it comes to America. I know what kids listen to and I aint even close to 13. It aint just 50 cent Dre or Snoop. Prince has a chance just like Santana. | |
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Trickology said: You may be 13, but you are out of touch with pop culture when it comes to America.
I know what kids listen to and I aint even close to 13. It aint just 50 cent Dre or Snoop. Prince has a chance just like Santana. Wow...first of all, Santana's "comeback" was 5 fucking years ago. And Prince does NOT have a chance to become commercially viable to young kids. NEVER gonna happen, or even come close. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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theblueangel said: Trickology said: You may be 13, but you are out of touch with pop culture when it comes to America.
I know what kids listen to and I aint even close to 13. It aint just 50 cent Dre or Snoop. Prince has a chance just like Santana. Wow...first of all, Santana's "comeback" was 5 fucking years ago. And Prince does NOT have a chance to become commercially viable to young kids. NEVER gonna happen, or even come close. Second of all you never know what kids or who is gonna buy the record with the right song. This is the same exact thing that made people doubt Dylan and Santana. And then what happened? Multi platinum... There is more to music consuming than 13 year olds. Look at Norah Jones. Unless u want to argue to me 13 year olds are buying Norah Jones. And that argument will fall flat on it's face And there are many other examples of who have had considerable success without the teen audience. Unless u think that was kids buying the record. I'd bet you 10 grand right now no way in heck that of being the case. P.S. Santana 2 years ago with Michelle Branch "Game of Love" Its called a smash out of the park. Wasnt as big as Supernatural... the point is it can be done with the right assembling of your project. If Mick Jagger can be close to a freakin billionaire in tour sales alone. Then Prince can have a runaway hit again. | |
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That's all well and fine, but this is what you said, Trickology: You may be 13, but you are out of touch with pop culture when it comes to America.
I know what kids listen to and I aint even close to 13. That's what I was responding to - your assertion that you know what "kids" listen to, and that Prince has a shot of being in that category (and I don't think that it was mostly kids who were buying the Santana album 5 years ago, either)...I believe that there is no way in HELL that Prince would ever have another hit with a younger audience like that. What's he gonna come out with? Dance Music Soda-pop Romance? No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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