Early this year there was this big controversy about downloading music from the internet. There were so many people who seem 2 be so against it and so quick 2 say it was something wrong to do. Mp3's are evil and it's straight stealing from the artist who deserves 2 get paid, some of y'all would say, coming off that self-righteous act like some of you always do.

Were the irony lies in this is,some of those same people who made it seem like they were so against downloading music, are the same people are supporting bootlegs, all I have to ask is what makes y'all so different from the people who's downloading free music? It may not be the same artist, but in alot of ways, it's the same situation.

Just like Prince The RIA felt the need 2 shut down some of these sites. Why, because it's straight stealing. Rather if it's a bootleg or mp3 y'all are stealing from Prince, yet y'all are trying 2 make Prince look like the bad guy . Don't be hypocritical people.


This whole situation doesn't make any sense 2 me whatsoever.

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[This message was edited Tue Jan 20 3:17:03 PST 2004 by DigitalLisa]

Who are you, he's new lawyer?


anyway,

bluelight said:

I should be

Kinda in the light of the post, same idea. If I go on line and look at a painting that no one I know will never own, including myself,and probably never get a chance to see, if I put the image on my desk top , am I stealing?

DigitalLisa said:

I assume you have a brown nose and sore knees by now.

Phill said:

if it's copyrighted and u didn't ask premission

DigitalLisa said:

Just asking, then we (some of us) steal all the time and we dont even know it. Im still gonna buy the real deal regardless if some one burns me a copy. What about the radio? What if we tape songs off the radio and jam to them in our car? You dont get a warning when your radio turns on, at least I dont. Think of all the radio theives, thats probaly a gaint loss right there! Those kids with the tape recorders need to be taken down!!

Phill said:

Well my question would be, even if that is the case ... does it make it right ?

DigitalLisa said:

If you asked me when I was 7 taping Darly Hall and John Oats off of the radio I probably would have said Do you like my Star Wars toys?

Q. If you go to a shop, buy a pair of jeans, and get too much change, would you tell the cashier, or just put it in your pocket ??

Because that's stealing to.

Would I tell, Hell No.

Do I have Prince bootlegs yes.

Conclusion : Unless you can say you are completely honest ALL the time, about everything, you have no right to cast stones at people who may have a bootleg or two.

Very good point about taping songs off the radio.Long ago,before we all had computers,most of used to tape songs off the radio.Or we would borrow a friend's album and tape it for ourselves.Is that stealing? I didn't see Prince or the record companies complaining back then.

DavidEye said:

Right on DE, I understand the whole deal with the MP3, but bootlegs? They didnt invest any money or put out the recordings so how could you be stealing? Its not right I guess but Im still gonna buy them until the man himself tells me to stop personaly. And not in some bogous e-mail either.

DigitalLisa said:

It seems to me you need to inform yourself about the difference between "piracy" and "bootlegging" before you make another stupid and uninformed assumption...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

Well uhm instead calling me stupid, why don't you explain it buddy... as far as I'm concerned there's not much difference, for the reason the public doesn't have the authoirty 2 have it or else Prince wouldn't be trying 2 shut down the sites if that wasn't the case. Stealing is Stealing either it way it goes which was the point I was trying 2 make and you clearly missed. Yet I'm the dumbass

DigitalLisa said:

That's the point I was trying to make DigitalLisa, stealing is stealing and unless you or anybody has NEVER stole anything then don't cast stones...please refer to my example above. I don't mean going into a store/house/website etc. I mean steal anything, as my post explains...

xt1000 said:

Thats the one I was referring to, just to save time (opps Time, shit I said it. Prince dont get me, allow me to still have an opinion...Nnnooo, I cann...not resis...t...I will confo..rm...to NPG(M)C...

xt1000 said:

I think we have a missunderstanding, I'm not casting a stone on anybody. All I'm saying is, don't hate on Prince, becuase he's doing his job, it should be expected, especailly when you for a fact the music is unreleased. I mean that's what makes is specail right? You have cuz it's unreleased, I'm just talking about people who taking it 2 the extreme like cancling their memebership 2 NPGMC, because of this. I mean if you a fan, be a fan okay. I can see why people are upset, but you still have 2 see why Prince is doing what he feels as if he needs 2 do, see what i'm saying ? I think it's slap in the face were he's not even getting the support from his fans
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basically y'all just mad cuz y'all got caught

DigitalLisa said:

1) before you try and tell people the law maybe you should study it first. copying does not equal stealing.
2) nice of you to compare prince with the RIAA. Indeed he is beginning to look more and more like them. And no, that is NOT a good thing. Perhabs you should study what the RIAA exactly does before you compare them with prince.


yeah I figured that already.

PEACE

DigitalLisa said:

No, if it's for your personal non commercial use only it's not copyright infringement. If it isn't for that use only then it's copyright infringement, not stealing.

DavidEye said:

Nothing that constitutes copyright infringement constitutes stealing. The stealing argument is an RIAA trick which some artists who can only think of money and control also use.
Taping off the radio for your personal non commerical use only is permitted by law (fair use).

i hear u DL... it's just that Albums & CDs of Prince & Singles CDs we have it all & we want more... what do u suggest we do when we've played that Album or CD out???


the BootMarket Open'd up 4 a reason & the door can't b closed unless The NPGMC & Prince do something about it...

4 xample if he sold us more music & gave us more LIVE concerts like OneNiteAlone & the DVD then people will have no choice but 2 go 2 the SOURCE 4 the PurpleFunk...

DigitalLisa said:[quote] as far as I'm concerned there's not much difference, for the reason the public doesn't have the authoirty 2 have it or else Prince wouldn't be trying 2 shut down the sites if that wasn't the case. [q/uote]
Prince wants to shut down whteher he is legally right or wrong. doesn't make a differnce to him.


you are not very intelligent to parot the RIAA with that "stealing" nonsense. Study the law then come back with a more legally correct argument okay?

DigitalLisa said:

Prince always said he would release the stuff once he was free in order to get support from his fans against WB. Who is slapping who in the face then?

DigitalLisa said:

Try google, it has been brought up more than enough...


I agree...


That's not the point that came across...
What the RIAA are doing ain't got shit to do with what Prince is doing...


Call yourself whatever you like, but I didn't call you stupid I merely stated that you made a stupid assumption...

Neversin.

Look I may not know how 2 explain, but I know exactly what's going on. I know about the law as far as music is concenred and I know somewhat of the RIAA, Just ask urself this question, If you were in this position and you were the artist how would you handl the people who was bootlegging your music, you didn't want to be out there in the first place ? Be Honest

DigitalLisa said:

Basically, piracy - copying property belonging to someone else without authority is illegal. It is certainly likely to amount to breach of copyright, although certain breaches are sometimes permitted under certain statutes.

Bootlegging - in this context, usually the taping and distribution of a live musical performance - is not piracy, and is usually not a 'theft' of someone else's intellectual property. There are laws which make it illegal to sell bootlegs. Moreover, sometimes the packaging associated with bootleg recordings breaches copyright.

It's fair to say that such recording activity might sometimes be in breach of other laws e.g. a breach of contractual terms if someone purchased a concert ticket under specific conditions.

Owning a bootleg recording is generally not illegal.

I've seen a lot of people in recent days use the words 'theft' and 'stealing' incorrectly and confuse 'piracy' with 'bootlegging'.

Here's an example to ponder, and I only use it to illustrate that things are not so straightforward that they entitle people to blithely complain that using someone else's property without permission is tantamount to 'theft':

If, as you say, 'stealing is stealing', then how come Prince regularly performs other people's songs without even asking them for permission to do so, without paying the writer a penny for the live performance of the song - and yet that performance goes towards making Prince money, by entertaining the audience?


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DigitalLisa said:

No you don't. Don't lie. It's not charming.


If I hated it I would get the bootleggers, NOT the fans TALKING about it. How hard is that to get?

I would also feel honoured that so many people dig my work so much.

langebleu said:

Dear Mr. Langebleu,

Stop making sense. That is all.

TOFKA

langebleu said:

Oh langeblue, there are so many people who don't know what they are talking about, but are only parotting the RIAA... and now Prince too (I bet the Club moderators are also saying its stealing)...

At the end of the day copying just isn't the same as stealing. it may look like it, it may feel like it, it may be as bad as stealing, but legally it simply isn't stealing, but copyright infringement.

I think many people are just so lazy and ignorant that they don't use the term copyright infringement, because it's so long and... gasp.. difficult to wrte down... So they say "stealing"and "theft". Completely disregarding what the law says.