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PrintableDavidEye said: Prince's music has been on the black market since the late 80s.Most of us have alot of it.There's nothing Prince can really do about that.In fact,he himself is quoted as saying that "file-sharing is here to stay...it's like rain" or something like that.He should just let it be and chalk it up to a lesson learned : IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR UNRELEASED MUSIC CIRCULATING,DO A BETTER JOB AT SECURING IT.
I agree with that, and looking at the amount of unreleased music that has circulated amongst fans since 1996, I would say he has plugged up most of the holes at PP. Which makes it all the more bewildering why he is going after fans who corrolate information about older unathorised releases now. The damage has been done, some of this stuff has been out since 1988 at least, there's no point in shooting the messenger. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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gsh said: The vast majority of bootlegs are concerts. That would be live performances of music in a public setting. I'm not denying the existence of studio/unreleased bootlegs, but some people are constantly referring to "unreleased" or "theft" or "he may not want that cut/version released". All valid points, but again I will say that the vast majority of bootlegs available are live shows. Therefore the music has been released, and Prince has already received compensation for the performances from the people that attended the shows. There are many fans who cannot get to shows for one reason or another, but would like to hear them anyway. If Prince will not release the shows himself, then we'll find another way to hear them. If he wants compensation for the bootlegged shows, all he has to do is release them himself. Fans happy, Prince makes the ever more important $$$ so he's happy, and the bootleg market dries up, so Prince even happier. If the bootleggers can make the product and make a profit, exactly how hard is it for him to do it? And once again, as has been stated many times - it is usually the fans that seek out bootlegs that have the largest collections of official Prince material. Well said. [This message was edited Mon Jan 19 11:38:39 PST 2004 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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DigitalLisa said: The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children.
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DigitalLisa said: The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children.
He should keep a better eye on his children then, hire a babysitter or a nanny or some shit. | |
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Anxiety said: DigitalLisa said: The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children.
He should keep a better eye on his children then, hire a babysitter or a nanny or some shit.  | |
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Juize said: Why are even a lot of the albums which were release offically like the NPG Goldnigga and The Family out of print...that supports the boots...think about it. And it support some peoples trading arts. * [This message was edited Tue Jan 20 5:34:54 PST 2004 by jn2] | |
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DigitalLisa said: First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed,
You didn't pay attention? You're hearing impaired? You're on crack? 'Free the music' was the phrase a few years back ('95?). Instead, now that he's free, he's releasing less music. He doesn't realise his market potential nor exploits it. He's less friendly towards his fans and even abuses them. Why was music put to tape? Surely not to be put away in some 'vault'. If he cannot release it but those evil bootleggars can, even faster, what is wrong? And how many slightly recent outtakes did you find? It's just opportunity slipping through his hands in various areas of his career. Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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DigitalLisa said: First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed, the only reason why it was released in first place was, because a few Dishonest people who worked with Prince let it out. Now y'all mad at Prince, for making sure the music that wasn't supposed to be released, remain unreleased like it was intended. Y'all got a hell of a lot of nerve. If Prince wanted the music be in the hands of his fans, don't u think he'd do the efforts of making a Crystall Ball III or something ? The way y'all acting like is, Prince is diliberately trying 2 piss u all,
by dis banning the music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place. This is why it's a boot. First of all Prince don't all y'all anything, You guys should be thanking him, for the released music he's shared along. Prince is a artist. The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children. It was meant 4 private material only , not meant 4 the public eye which is the reason why it's called unreleased. So what gives y'all the right 2 ridicule Prince, 4 making sure his music is safe ? The music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place, think about it people . unreleased edit [This message was edited Sun Jan 18 23:55:04 PST 2004 by DigitalLisa] Co-sign. F the bootleggers. I'm surprised it's taken him so long, actually. | |
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1p1p1i3 said: DigitalLisa said: First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed, the only reason why it was released in first place was, because a few Dishonest people who worked with Prince let it out. Now y'all mad at Prince, for making sure the music that wasn't supposed to be released, remain unreleased like it was intended. Y'all got a hell of a lot of nerve. If Prince wanted the music be in the hands of his fans, don't u think he'd do the efforts of making a Crystall Ball III or something ? The way y'all acting like is, Prince is diliberately trying 2 piss u all,
by dis banning the music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place. This is why it's a boot. First of all Prince don't all y'all anything, You guys should be thanking him, for the released music he's shared along. Prince is a artist. The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children. It was meant 4 private material only , not meant 4 the public eye which is the reason why it's called unreleased. So what gives y'all the right 2 ridicule Prince, 4 making sure his music is safe ? The music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place, think about it people . unreleased edit [This message was edited Sun Jan 18 23:55:04 PST 2004 by DigitalLisa] Co-sign. F the bootleggers. I'm surprised it's taken him so long, actually.  | |
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udo said: DigitalLisa said: First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed,
You didn't pay attention? You're hearing impaired? You're on crack? 'Free the music' was the phrase a few years back ('95?). Instead, now that he's free, he's releasing less music. He doesn't realise his market potential nor exploits it. He's less friendly towards his fans and even abuses them. Why was music put to tape? Surely not to be put away in some 'vault'. If he cannot release it but those evil bootleggars can, even faster, what is wrong? And how many slightly recent outtakes did you find? It's just opportunity slipping through his hands in various areas of his career. Free the music was about choice , not volume. WB wouldn't have let him release N.E.W.S., or possibly TRC, or release Xenophobia as a download. Why did he record the music? His choice. His music. Not ours. We have NO RIGHT to expect it (although I DO want it!!  ).
Why do people keep diaries - for their private use, not to publish them, it's exactly the same thing. Would you want people selling a book of your diary? Or a selection of photos from your photo albums? | |
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1p1p1i3 said: udo said: DigitalLisa said: First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed,
You didn't pay attention? You're hearing impaired? You're on crack? 'Free the music' was the phrase a few years back ('95?). Instead, now that he's free, he's releasing less music. He doesn't realise his market potential nor exploits it. He's less friendly towards his fans and even abuses them. Why was music put to tape? Surely not to be put away in some 'vault'. If he cannot release it but those evil bootleggars can, even faster, what is wrong? And how many slightly recent outtakes did you find? It's just opportunity slipping through his hands in various areas of his career. Free the music was about choice , not volume. WB wouldn't have let him release N.E.W.S., or possibly TRC, or release Xenophobia as a download. Why did he record the music? His choice. His music. Not ours. We have NO RIGHT to expect it (although I DO want it!! ).
Why do people keep diaries - for their private use, not to publish them, it's exactly the same thing. Would you want people selling a book of your diary? Or a selection of photos from your photo albums? | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: 1p1p1i3 said: udo said: DigitalLisa said: First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed,
You didn't pay attention? You're hearing impaired? You're on crack? 'Free the music' was the phrase a few years back ('95?). Instead, now that he's free, he's releasing less music. He doesn't realise his market potential nor exploits it. He's less friendly towards his fans and even abuses them. Why was music put to tape? Surely not to be put away in some 'vault'. If he cannot release it but those evil bootleggars can, even faster, what is wrong? And how many slightly recent outtakes did you find? It's just opportunity slipping through his hands in various areas of his career. Free the music was about choice , not volume. WB wouldn't have let him release N.E.W.S., or possibly TRC, or release Xenophobia as a download. Why did he record the music? His choice. His music. Not ours. We have NO RIGHT to expect it (although I DO want it!! ).
Why do people keep diaries - for their private use, not to publish them, it's exactly the same thing. Would you want people selling a book of your diary? Or a selection of photos from your photo albums? What if you didn't know who did it, but there were plenty of websites around saying "Check out The Orger's diary pages 17 and 29 - they are must have reads. And the photos he took on 17th July 1998 - 5 out of 5!". You'd be pissed off, and try to close them down. I know I would. | |
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1p1p1i3 said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: 1p1p1i3 said: udo said: DigitalLisa said: First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed,
You didn't pay attention? You're hearing impaired? You're on crack? 'Free the music' was the phrase a few years back ('95?). Instead, now that he's free, he's releasing less music. He doesn't realise his market potential nor exploits it. He's less friendly towards his fans and even abuses them. Why was music put to tape? Surely not to be put away in some 'vault'. If he cannot release it but those evil bootleggars can, even faster, what is wrong? And how many slightly recent outtakes did you find? It's just opportunity slipping through his hands in various areas of his career. Free the music was about choice , not volume. WB wouldn't have let him release N.E.W.S., or possibly TRC, or release Xenophobia as a download. Why did he record the music? His choice. His music. Not ours. We have NO RIGHT to expect it (although I DO want it!! ).
Why do people keep diaries - for their private use, not to publish them, it's exactly the same thing. Would you want people selling a book of your diary? Or a selection of photos from your photo albums? What if you didn't know who did it, but there were plenty of websites around saying "Check out The Orger's diary pages 17 and 29 - they are must have reads. And the photos he took on 17th July 1998 - 5 out of 5!". You'd be pissed off, and try to close them down. I know I would. | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: 1p1p1i3 said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: 1p1p1i3 said: udo said: DigitalLisa said: First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed,
You didn't pay attention? You're hearing impaired? You're on crack? 'Free the music' was the phrase a few years back ('95?). Instead, now that he's free, he's releasing less music. He doesn't realise his market potential nor exploits it. He's less friendly towards his fans and even abuses them. Why was music put to tape? Surely not to be put away in some 'vault'. If he cannot release it but those evil bootleggars can, even faster, what is wrong? And how many slightly recent outtakes did you find? It's just opportunity slipping through his hands in various areas of his career. Free the music was about choice , not volume. WB wouldn't have let him release N.E.W.S., or possibly TRC, or release Xenophobia as a download. Why did he record the music? His choice. His music. Not ours. We have NO RIGHT to expect it (although I DO want it!! ).
Why do people keep diaries - for their private use, not to publish them, it's exactly the same thing. Would you want people selling a book of your diary? Or a selection of photos from your photo albums? What if you didn't know who did it, but there were plenty of websites around saying "Check out The Orger's diary pages 17 and 29 - they are must have reads. And the photos he took on 17th July 1998 - 5 out of 5!". You'd be pissed off, and try to close them down. I know I would. Engineers come and go. Who knows who it was, or when it was? It might have been the cleaner. It might have been the bloke who came to install the new computer system. It might have been sound engineers 1 to 55. | |
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There R thieves among us as well. Talk right here of boots and unreleased gems. Shall we count the dayz until the Org gets shut-down?
Over the years not all websites sold Boots. Right? this we know... Yet the mere talk of them closed some of them down. These sites also clearly stated the proper info that gave them as they felt legal legs 2 stand on. (Guess them legs were weak) If thats the case perhaps hes not a fan of this site and the things discussed? I'll just say this...Prince I would've thought had done more 2 combat this issue at this present time. He's been in the know 4 years now. Meaning the only way 2 make money is 2 himself put out a series of past concerts/music Cd/DvD/Videos etc.. and cash in on all this by putting out the read deal quality. Why Hasn't he done much more? Seeing more fans would support his older msuic. Because he don't own the rights 2 all that 70's 80's and some early 90's stuff thats widely look at as his best work.. So he himself can't put a 1999 Live Triple Threat Tour DvD 1982/83 Out and make $$$. But say like a "Jam Of The Year Tour" San Jose etc... he can , But he hasn't still seemed interested in doing stuff like this 2 much. Ouside of ONA. He could easily made money had he started doing stuff like this as soon as he became "free". But 4 whatever reason, thats his biz if he don't see what his fans see. I'll also say If Prince or his people find those making much money from his stuff they he should go after them.Yet as far as these sites getting closed will not stop bootlegs nor the talk of them. Sorry things go underground 2 re-surface again when the smoke clears and sometimes they stay on the under. Trust so many people don't use the internet 2 do these deeds. Example a recent record buyers show a friend went 2 in some state was selling his boots, in the open! In saying that, Prince got way behind on the issue and with so much gettig leaked out ripped off etc... Whats done is done...its already apart of his musical foundation with the rest of his offical music, no matter the poor quality of alot of it. If it were me I would have put out something 2 my fans that I do have rights 2, "TRY" and counter "some" of the bootlegs that R floating. Like with ONA Live Vegas..he gave U a different edited show leaving out much. There will always B people who want what there not meant 2 have, or they want it "Uncut" and pure with no edits...so U will never please everyone but U can make solid efforts that will in the end reap U more money...Like what he did 4 "Crystall Ball". But that itself didn't & won't ever stop that bootleg train... Ask yourself this: Whats the chances of Prince if he did own the rights 2 his music ever wanting 2 put out his "Classic Series" of say live shows from Dirty Mind Tour etc? That shows him in a far different light then the one he is in now right? Cursing sexual wild shows...the ones we love and we find interesting ...trust "I" think he wouldn't with his "beliefs" these days. So with that, peoples desires & need 2 see what his old stuff was about what they missed etc..will always make his older stuff stand out alot more. At the end of the day...I'm still very please and won't let none of this stuff effect me. | |
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