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The music is called unreleased.... First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed, the only reason why it was released in first place was, because a few Dishonest people who worked with Prince let it out. Now y'all mad at Prince, for making sure the music that wasn't supposed to be released, remain unreleased like it was intended. Y'all got a hell of a lot of nerve. If Prince wanted the music be in the hands of his fans, don't u think he'd do the efforts of making a Crystall Ball III or something ? The way y'all acting like is, Prince is diliberately trying 2 piss u all,
by dis banning the music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place. This is why it's a boot. First of all Prince don't all y'all anything, You guys should be thanking him, for the released music he's shared along. Prince is a artist. The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children. It was meant 4 private material only , not meant 4 the public eye which is the reason why it's called unreleased. So what gives y'all the right 2 ridicule Prince, 4 making sure his music is safe ? The music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place, think about it people . unreleased edit [This message was edited Sun Jan 18 23:55:04 PST 2004 by DigitalLisa] | |
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My thoughts entirely. It is outright theft. In the distance a light shines and I know it is mine. Someday I will touch it because it calls me. It says cross the line, cross the line. I know everything is not always what it seems, so I pinch myself daily just in case it's a dream | |
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Come on, now. The man knows this music is part of his culture as an established musical personality, and he didn't mind chatting blithely about his "unreleased" stuff when "freeing the music" benefitted him back in the WB days.
You know what? There's no such thing as "unreleased" music if it's out there being heard. Just because it wasn't released in a way that is to Prince's current liking doesn't make it somehow non-existent. I just read a story on Frank Zappa that was recently in Mojo magazine, and it was mentioned that he HATED bootleggers, to the point where he once said he wanted to take a rifle to them all. But you know what his solution was? That's right - a series of previously bootlegged albums called "Beat the Boots". HE TOOK THE MONEY OUT OF THE BOOTLEGGER'S POCKETS AND PUT IT IN HIS OWN POCKET. And until Prince does something similar, the music is going to keep circulating within the fan (AND FAM) community, and in the music underground, be it online, in indie wrecka stows, or just from people trading copies of CDs, DVD-Rs, tapes, etc. Like it or not, it will continue. The only solution is to re-route the material into a more palatable direction. Cuz that "unreleased" music? It's done been released. | |
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DigitalLisa said: The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault.
Jesus Christ. He has a child in his vault? If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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Anxiety said: Come on, now. The man knows this music is part of his culture as an established musical personality, and he didn't mind chatting blithely about his "unreleased" stuff when "freeing the music" benefitted him back in the WB days.
You know what? There's no such thing as "unreleased" music if it's out there being heard. Just because it wasn't released in a way that is to Prince's current liking doesn't make it somehow non-existent. I just read a story on Frank Zappa that was recently in Mojo magazine, and it was mentioned that he HATED bootleggers, to the point where he once said he wanted to take a rifle to them all. But you know what his solution was? That's right - a series of previously bootlegged albums called "Beat the Boots". HE TOOK THE MONEY OUT OF THE BOOTLEGGER'S POCKETS AND PUT IT IN HIS OWN POCKET. And until Prince does something similar, the music is going to keep circulating within the fan (AND FAM) community, and in the music underground, be it online, in indie wrecka stows, or just from people trading copies of CDs, DVD-Rs, tapes, etc. Like it or not, it will continue. The only solution is to re-route the material into a more palatable direction. Cuz that "unreleased" music? It's done been released. It's not so much I have a problem with the boots, cuz I have a few boots myself (they're purple) , it's just i hate how everybody is handling the whole situation. bootleg edit [This message was edited Mon Jan 19 0:04:23 PST 2004 by DigitalLisa] | |
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squirrelgrease said: DigitalLisa said: The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault.
Jesus Christ. He has a child in his vault? | |
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Spookymuffin said: squirrelgrease said: DigitalLisa said: The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault.
Jesus Christ. He has a child in his vault? shut up | |
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Anxiety said: them all. But you know what his solution was?
That's right - a series of previously bootlegged albums called "Beat the Boots". HE TOOK THE MONEY OUT OF THE BOOTLEGGER'S POCKETS AND PUT IT IN HIS OWN POCKET. So Prince should release this music because he's been bullied into it? That's very convenient for us, isn't it? How about this: Prince wrote, performed, and owns all of that unreleased music. He has every right, both legally and morally, to keep any or all of it to himself. And really, if he doesn't release it officially then it's tough luck for us, there's nothing more to it. Life it ain't real funky unless you got that orgPop. | |
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So why is Prince going after the little guy instead of say, Sabotage, Moonraker or Thunderball?
It's like trying to stop the manufacture and distribution of drugs by going after a small-fry punk with an 8th. | |
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Anxiety said: You know what? There's no such thing as "unreleased" music if it's out there being heard. Just because it wasn't released in a way that is to Prince's current liking doesn't make it somehow non-existent. Nuff said. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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DigitalLisa said: First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed, the only reason why it was released in first place was, because a few Dishonest people who worked with Prince let it out. Now y'all mad at Prince, for making sure the music that wasn't supposed to be released, remain unreleased like it was intended. Y'all got a hell of a lot of nerve. If Prince wanted the music be in the hands of his fans, don't u think he'd do the efforts of making a Crystall Ball III or something ? The way y'all acting like is, Prince is diliberately trying 2 piss u all,
by dis banning the music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place. This is why it's a boot. First of all Prince don't all y'all anything, You guys should be thanking him, for the released music he's shared along. Prince is a artist. The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children. It was meant 4 private material only , not meant 4 the public eye which is the reason why it's called unreleased. So what gives y'all the right 2 ridicule Prince, 4 making sure his music is safe ? The music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place, think about it people . unreleased edit [This message was edited Sun Jan 18 23:55:04 PST 2004 by DigitalLisa] The vast majority of bootlegs are concerts. That would be live performances of music in a public setting. I'm not denying the existence of studio/unreleased bootlegs, but some people are constantly referring to "unreleased" or "theft" or "he may not want that cut/version released". All valid points, but again I will say that the vast majority of bootlegs available are live shows. Therefore the music has been released, and Prince has already received compensation for the performances from the people that attended the shows. There are many fans who cannot get to shows for one reason or another, but would like to hear them anyway. If Prince will not release the shows himself, then we'll find another way to hear them. If he wants compensation for the bootlegged shows, all he has to do is release them himself.Fans happy, Prince makes the ever more important $$$ so he's happy, and the bootleg market dries up, so Prince even happier. If the bootleggers can make the product and make a profit, exactly how hard is it for him to do it? And once again, as has been stated many times - it is usually the fans that seek out bootlegs that have the largest collections of official Prince material. All orgnotes and emails requesting trades or how to acquire bootleggage will be ignored. - The ThreadKiller - | |
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DigitalLisa said: First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed, the only reason why it was released in first place was, because a few Dishonest people who worked with Prince let it out. Now y'all mad at Prince, for making sure the music that wasn't supposed to be released, remain unreleased like it was intended. Y'all got a hell of a lot of nerve. If Prince wanted the music be in the hands of his fans, don't u think he'd do the efforts of making a Crystall Ball III or something ? The way y'all acting like is, Prince is diliberately trying 2 piss u all,
by dis banning the music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place. This is why it's a boot. First of all Prince don't all y'all anything, You guys should be thanking him, for the released music he's shared along. Prince is a artist. The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children. It was meant 4 private material only , not meant 4 the public eye which is the reason why it's called unreleased. So what gives y'all the right 2 ridicule Prince, 4 making sure his music is safe ? The music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place, think about it people . If this is in reference to the recent backlash amongst fans here regarding the closing of a couple of websites that catalogue bootleg releases, then I think you're talking out of your bottom. Sorry to put it so bluntly, and I don't mean to be facetious, but the fact that this music was stolen (out-takes) or recorded without authorisation (live material) - this has nothing to do with those websites who mearly catalogue these releases. To talk or write about illegal artifacts does not incriminate you for their use or production. Prince is BANG out of order on this one, and it will only hurt him in the long run, he will reap what he sows. It's 1998 all over again, and I think a lot of long-time die-hard fans backed off from Prince a bit then, and I think the same will happen now if he continues to play the spoilt brat. Think about how much time is spent, and devotion to Prince's music, goes into making these websites. If the owners of these websites aren't distributing or profiting from these unathorized releases, then tell me, where is the harm in them existing? // [This message was edited Mon Jan 19 3:42:50 PST 2004 by Romance1600] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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DigitalLisa said: So what gives y'all the right 2 ridicule Prince, 4 making sure his music is safe ? The music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place, think about it people . DigitalLisa] Nice "Straw Man" arguement there. Closing down sites that discuss bootlegs doesn't "make sure his music is safe". All it does is punish fans who want to talk and learn about unreleased recordings that are available to buy or trade or download for free. Thank god for those evil bootleggers. If not for them, we would have never heard Electric Intercourse or I Wonder or many other great songs that have enriched our lives. I think your analogy of buying a bootleg to kidnapping a child is absurd, but if so, I'm happy to kidnap Prince's kids and listen to them anytime. | |
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Anxiety said: I just read a story on Frank Zappa that was recently in Mojo magazine, and it was mentioned that he HATED bootleggers, to the point where he once said he wanted to take a rifle to them all. But you know what his solution was?
That's right - a series of previously bootlegged albums called "Beat the Boots". HE TOOK THE MONEY OUT OF THE BOOTLEGGER'S POCKETS AND PUT IT IN HIS OWN POCKET. Zappa didn't have a problem with traders. I don't know where FZ stated that he wanted to, "Take a rifle to them all."? Because if that's true, it's news to me. But yes, he was always against bootleggers... Hey look, it's The Artist Formely Known To Sell Records | |
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DigitalLisa said: Prince is a artist. The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children. It was meant 4 private material only , not meant 4 the public eye which is the reason why it's called unreleased. But it's not the FANS fault that his "children" have escaped from the vaults.We didn't go to Paisley Park and steal from the vault.He is at least partly responsible that so much of his music is out there.If he had done a better job at securing his stuff,it wouldn't be out there.So if he wants to get pissed at anyone,he should look in the mirror. Furthermore,he has said that,when he was a kid,he used to collect every James Brown bootleg he could find.So he should be a little more understanding of a fan's need to have this stuff.Considering his shrinking fanbase,he should be thrilled that there are still people who care about his music at all. Prince's music has been on the black market since the late 80s.Most of us have alot of it.There's nothing Prince can really do about that.In fact,he himself is quoted as saying that "file-sharing is here to stay...it's like rain" or something like that.He should just let it be and chalk it up to a lesson learned : IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR UNRELEASED MUSIC CIRCULATING,DO A BETTER JOB AT SECURING IT. | |
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DigitalLisa said: First of all the music was never meant 2 be realesed, the only reason why it was released in first place was, because a few Dishonest people who worked with Prince let it out. Now y'all mad at Prince, for making sure the music that wasn't supposed to be released, remain unreleased like it was intended. Y'all got a hell of a lot of nerve. If Prince wanted the music be in the hands of his fans, don't u think he'd do the efforts of making a Crystall Ball III or something ? The way y'all acting like is, Prince is diliberately trying 2 piss u all,
by dis banning the music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place. This is why it's a boot. First of all Prince don't all y'all anything, You guys should be thanking him, for the released music he's shared along. Prince is a artist. The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children. It was meant 4 private material only , not meant 4 the public eye which is the reason why it's called unreleased. So what gives y'all the right 2 ridicule Prince, 4 making sure his music is safe ? The music that was never supposed 2 be released in the first place, think about it people . unreleased edit [This message was edited Sun Jan 18 23:55:04 PST 2004 by DigitalLisa] i'm still waiting for Crystal Ball II. what the hell happened to that? | |
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sabaisabai said: Anxiety said: them all. But you know what his solution was?
That's right - a series of previously bootlegged albums called "Beat the Boots". HE TOOK THE MONEY OUT OF THE BOOTLEGGER'S POCKETS AND PUT IT IN HIS OWN POCKET. So Prince should release this music because he's been bullied into it? That's very convenient for us, isn't it? How about this: Prince wrote, performed, and owns all of that unreleased music. He has every right, both legally and morally, to keep any or all of it to himself. And really, if he doesn't release it officially then it's tough luck for us, there's nothing more to it. right on some people need 2 chill and stop ranting and raving about what prince chooses 2 do with his creations do your thang p | |
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DigitalLisa said: y'all
Y'all he'd do the efforts of making a Crystall Ball III or something ? y'all diliberately dis y'all y'all Thats what I see when I read your defense of Prince. I know you think being illiterate is cute & fun but all I see is a post written on a third grade level. | |
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I already wrote in another thread:
It has to be the artist who released things like Madhouse 24 and others...how is is possible any other way? Or did the engineers sold it to the public? At last I do not care...if someone this popular is not able to secure his art...or release it...I do not know any other artist who has so many "unreleased albums" out. His lengendly status is for a certain percentage based on these boots. The most easy way would be to release the material he has in mint quality as Crystall Ball II & III and so on...for a reasonable price. The other topic is freedom of speech, he has to respect that. Point blank. Instead of threating normal people he should come to terms with his artistic being and therfore either play new music and stick to it, or accept his past as his foundation of being were he is right now, and he could play Darking Nikki and other if he would have real sense of humor... I doubt that he has this sense...to me he became someone sucked in by a Church and their promises of paradise. I still enjoy the music...but the person and how he behaves seems to me a bit so close to the moon. Keep it real...and now that a man is a man ... Peace Juize, Hamburg Germany P.S. Why are even a lot of the albums which were release offically like the NPG Goldnigga and The Family out of print...that supports the boots...think about it. And it support some peoples trading arts. | |
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My opinion on bootlegs of any sort is, yes they are illegal, but they are very hard to resist if you're a die-hard fan. I should think hardly anyone is that pure and good that they could resist downloading a new Prince track if that was the only way to get it?
I find this new effort to stamp down on some fan sites somewhat a waste of time. It isn't going to help delete all the bootlegs already out there, if Prince wants to ensure his new music doesn't reach out ahead of time, he should rather put his efforts into better security. "The more bootleggers you try to grasp, the more will slip through your fingers..." It is almost like, well, I'm having no luck getting my masters back from Warners, I'll have a go at some bootleggers instead... It is not going to profit him at all but it will harm his reputation amongst fans, so why bother? Besides which, we're talking about 'unreleased' music, but as soon as an album comes out officially you can usually download it straight away anyway, and that's still illegal, but it's a fact of life now. The industry has changed with the advent of downloading mp3s and they're just going to have to accept they're not going to make as much profit as they used to when they could monopolise distribution. It's the same with software, there's a lot of pirate stuff out there, they could do a lot more than just assign a few letters and numbers, but they know that it creates a larger user base, so e.g. you can get a job at a big company and already know how to use the software. Ultimately, stomping down on sites talking about Prince bootlegs is an entirely 'negative' move which solves nothing, I thought Prince was going to embrace the internet with all it's foibles, but obviously not. He should release the music himself and undercut the bootleggers. | |
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I would LOVE to see Prince do something like Bob Dylan and Columbia Records has done...Since 1991 Bob Dylan And Columbia Records has been releasing what is called The Bootleg Series...He has been releasing it in several volumes...
He could do like a few others have mentioned here earlier release another three CD set(Volume 1 2 and 3) comprised of some of his best studio outtakes... Then Volume 4 can be the official release of the SMALL CLUB 88 Aftershow. Then how about Volume 5 being one of his greatest concerts from the SOTT Tour...that never made it to the United States...etc...One could go on and on to the break of dawn about the possibilities..but you get the point. I agree with what one orger(Brendan) said..We know this old stuff is not where Prince's head is now...and he's more concerned about NOW and what musical direction he's going to explore down the road...but why not let someone handle the release of his vault material..Take a poll/survey and let the fans vote on what they want on these official releases...There's obviously a demand for this stuff...He can continue exploring his current whereabouts of his musical journey,without the hassle of backtracking through his old material...Just a thought... But we know how he likes to oversee and dare I say it CONTROL everything, especially when it comes to his music..so we're back to the ole drawing board . [This message was edited Mon Jan 19 13:17:07 PST 2004 by BRO915] | |
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DavidEye said: DigitalLisa said: Prince is a artist. The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children. It was meant 4 private material only , not meant 4 the public eye which is the reason why it's called unreleased. But it's not the FANS fault that his "children" have escaped from the vaults.We didn't go to Paisley Park and steal from the vault.He is at least partly responsible that so much of his music is out there.If he had done a better job at securing his stuff,it wouldn't be out there.So if he wants to get pissed at anyone,he should look in the mirror. Furthermore,he has said that,when he was a kid,he used to collect every James Brown bootleg he could find.So he should be a little more understanding of a fan's need to have this stuff.Considering his shrinking fanbase,he should be thrilled that there are still people who care about his music at all. Prince's music has been on the black market since the late 80s.Most of us have alot of it.There's nothing Prince can really do about that.In fact,he himself is quoted as saying that "file-sharing is here to stay...it's like rain" or something like that.He should just let it be and chalk it up to a lesson learned : IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR UNRELEASED MUSIC CIRCULATING,DO A BETTER JOB AT SECURING IT. Great point Dave...You don't see many Michael Jackson or Stevie Wonder studio boots out there...do you?...LIL MAN should have taken the necessary precautions to protect this stuff. | |
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actually, it should no longer be referred to as "unreleased", because prince will never release "vibrator", "wonderful ass", or much of his racier 70/80s material.
those songs should be referred to as "never to be released officially by someone that shops in nordstroms young boys department". [This message was edited Mon Jan 19 8:37:25 PST 2004 by suomynona] | |
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67TBirdHeartAttack said: My thoughts entirely. It is outright theft. it ain't theft if you allow it to walk off. | |
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sabaisabai said: Anxiety said: them all. But you know what his solution was?
That's right - a series of previously bootlegged albums called "Beat the Boots". HE TOOK THE MONEY OUT OF THE BOOTLEGGER'S POCKETS AND PUT IT IN HIS OWN POCKET. So Prince should release this music because he's been bullied into it? That's very convenient for us, isn't it? How about this: Prince wrote, performed, and owns all of that unreleased music. He has every right, both legally and morally, to keep any or all of it to himself. And really, if he doesn't release it officially then it's tough luck for us, there's nothing more to it. But you're ignoring the fact that the music is already out there and people are already making money off it, and Prince is swatting at the people who just want to talk about what they're hearing, while the bootleggers keep on bootleggin'. If he doesn't feel like redirecting the money into his own pocket, that's his prerogative. But the damage has been done and nothing he can do is going to take the music out of all the stores and music collections and hard drives - more people care about his art than about his cult of personality, so the music is going to have a life of its own and he can only channel that life to his benefit, not suppress it. Sorry, but that's just reality. | |
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TheGoldExperience said: Anxiety said: I just read a story on Frank Zappa that was recently in Mojo magazine, and it was mentioned that he HATED bootleggers, to the point where he once said he wanted to take a rifle to them all. But you know what his solution was?
That's right - a series of previously bootlegged albums called "Beat the Boots". HE TOOK THE MONEY OUT OF THE BOOTLEGGER'S POCKETS AND PUT IT IN HIS OWN POCKET. Zappa didn't have a problem with traders. I don't know where FZ stated that he wanted to, "Take a rifle to them all."? Because if that's true, it's news to me. But yes, he was always against bootleggers... That's what I said - he loathed bootleggers. I didn't mention anything about his feelings on traders. If you want to read the direct quote, check out the new issue of the British music mag Mojo - he's on the cover this month (some editions have John Lydon on the cover - it's a way cool issue). | |
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I dont know about yall, but he sent me all of these bootlegs to ask me how they sound. | |
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All this closing down of sites that merely TALK ABOUT bootlegs is only gonna make them naughtier to the so-called "purple underground", which will only make the value of bootlegged releases go up, up, up among traders and bootleggers.
If he were to a) go after the bootleggers and not the fans who talk about his music, b) release even a LITTLE BIT of what's out there in bootlegland and c) acknowledge the fact that these recordings play a considerable role in his legacy as an artist, he might actually see shit tame down and then he might actually get his precious control. But if he wants to swim against the current, it's certainly his choice, isn't it? | |
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Anxiety said: All this closing down of sites that merely TALK ABOUT bootlegs is only gonna make them naughtier to the so-called "purple underground", which will only make the value of bootlegged releases go up, up, up among traders and bootleggers.
If he were to a) go after the bootleggers and not the fans who talk about his music, b) release even a LITTLE BIT of what's out there in bootlegland and c) acknowledge the fact that these recordings play a considerable role in his legacy as an artist, he might actually see shit tame down and then he might actually get his precious control. But if he wants to swim against the current, it's certainly his choice, isn't it? Of all the artists that are bootlegged and aware of it.. Prince is the most "open legged" with them getting thrown every which direction, and then getting upset because the access of this material is only a click or 20 dollars away from most fans and to sit and blame the fans is childish and rediculous, I think he said it himself that when he was a fan of James Brown he wanted every single recording of him, and I think the fans of PRince are the same way.. It also goes to the club right now, the teasing of that "Demo dog" giving the perception to fans that he might throw u some, but he doesnt and it doesnt look like he will. So Kudos goes out to those who get their music in whatever means neccesary, I dont blame you.. ure sure as hell not gettin it from him, and if u do, its a newly remake and it blows. | |
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DavidEye said: DigitalLisa said: Prince is a artist. The music he makes are like his children. Even the unreleased one he keeps in the vault. So 4 you guys 2 buy the unreleased music, is kind of like kidnapping his children. It was meant 4 private material only , not meant 4 the public eye which is the reason why it's called unreleased. But it's not the FANS fault that his "children" have escaped from the vaults.We didn't go to Paisley Park and steal from the vault.He is at least partly responsible that so much of his music is out there.If he had done a better job at securing his stuff,it wouldn't be out there.So if he wants to get pissed at anyone,he should look in the mirror. Furthermore,he has said that,when he was a kid,he used to collect every James Brown bootleg he could find.So he should be a little more understanding of a fan's need to have this stuff.Considering his shrinking fanbase,he should be thrilled that there are still people who care about his music at all. Prince's music has been on the black market since the late 80s.Most of us have alot of it.There's nothing Prince can really do about that.In fact,he himself is quoted as saying that "file-sharing is here to stay...it's like rain" or something like that.He should just let it be and chalk it up to a lesson learned : IF YOU DON'T WANT YOUR UNRELEASED MUSIC CIRCULATING,DO A BETTER JOB AT SECURING IT. 1. Who the hell does Prince have working for him all these years that keeps getting stuff to the bootleggers in the first place? Shouldn't he be searching motherfuckers at the end of the day? Especially as private as he is? I have always felt that he is in on at least some of the music that leaks out. Why hasn't Sabotage been shut down? 2. Nothing Prince ever does anymore suprises me. I can about guarantee you all that the Org is on a hitlist as well as we discuss boots here, too. 3. Lisa, I love you. You have been a bright spot in the place since I started posting two years ago and you are right: If it was my music, I would do everything I could to protect it, but dude closed the barndoor after the cow got out. What bothers me about a lot of people taking the moral high ground on this issue. | |
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