rdhull said:

Damn, hull, gettin' a tad sensitive, ain'tcha? You gonna put me on blast after I take up for your ass up in here all the time? Over a colloquial phrase? Ease back.

Of course you can enjoy the output without buying into the schlock. If I couldn't do that, i wouldn't even be on this site. The problem is, you usually have to jump through hoops to even get the product anymore. You know, like signing up on the website and shelling out cash for releases that get delayed for months, or never show up at all -- if you can get logged on at all?

"Drink the Kool-Aid" means actually taking Prince at his word, and then letting yourself get upset when he invariably doesn't follow through. I've decided not to do NPGMC for those reasons, and not to get so upset if he does stuff that makes no sense. But some orgers still get upset about current state of affairs. I stopped doing that a while back. Now, I enjoy the great stuff I already have, consider any additional good stuff to come as a bonus, and explore other past and present artists.

namepeace said:

Ok sorry for coming at u like that but look what u wrote. You asumed I drank kool-aid as if I was someone who kept getting duped by him and not realizing it and keep going for more etc...now wouldnt that trip u out? Again sorry for my stance but I mean come on give me some credit

love2thenines2003 said:

If his albums (regular ones) were to be only available on boots you would praise them!!! When he releases stuff it's all great then the boot is better!!

namepeace said:

I'm not sure if we totally see eye to eye on this one. The notion that you can drink the Purple Kool-Aid or move on sounds too much like "you are either this or that" to me. In other words it is like saying: you are either a hardcore Prince fool, or you love his music but can't stand his practices so you are forced to move on. That smells in my opinion.

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[This message was edited Mon Jan 19 1:44:42 PST 2004 by Abrazo]

namepeace said:

I think I see better what you mean with this. I have also decided not to join the NPGMC again for that reason and I also try to enjoy the great stuff I have and other great artists more now.

love2thenines2003 said:

I do this for years by now...

love2thenines2003 said:

I'm gonna buy the records and join the club...

Prince sent this response to you... :-O ...

rdhull said:

I understand how we got off track. I simply used your post as a jumping off point to make a general statement. I wasn't meaning to imply those "Kool-Aid" statements to anyone in particular, especially not yourself. I give you due credit, you're not a "drone." Nor are most of the folks on here.

I do think all of us have more than enough patience with our erstwhile hero because we love and admire his work so much.

Abrazo said:

Abrazo, I did make a very general statement, and I'm not normally a "black-or-white" cat, so let me add some nuance.

I was a former "Kool-Aid" drinker backinaday in the 80's and early 90's. In his heyday, you couldn't tell me anything about Prince the musician or the person. But as the years went on, I began to get a little frustrated with him, for reasons everyone's listed in this thread already. Ultimately, however, he makes his own choices, and he doesn't care what anyone -- friend or foe -- thinks. That is his greatest strength and greatest weakness, to an outsider looking in. But to an extent, we are "forced" to accept his decisions, because we have no influence over them. We can only react.

The people who follow his career have to come to terms with the fact that Prince does what he wants, even if it's to the detriment of the people who support his career. That doesn't mean we have to "drink the Kool-Aid" -- that is, see eye to eye with him on his religion, philosophy, or opinions about the music biz -- or accept his business practices at face value. If you do, then that's fine, if you don't, that's okay too, but don't get upset, because you know what you're dealing with. You can either accept the inconsistencies, buy his stuff, and not get so personally "invested" in what he does ("moving on") or you can still purchase his stuff and get frustrated with his inconsistencies and get upset when he doesn't follow through on promises ("drink the Kool-Aid").

That may or may not help, but that's where I am coming from.

violator said:

I am not that knowledgable about Prince bootlegs and I have never, ever bought one. Having a website that talks about them does not make me want to go there. If folks want the stuff, they'll get it. By closing down sites, it only makes people want the stuff more.

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

And yours is a fan's perspective. I'm simply saying that I could see Prince disagreeing with that view of things. The site certainly promotes bootlegs, of that there can be no denial. And as I said initially, I love G2P and I hate to see it go but it should come as no surprise that this happened.

violator said:

Yeah, I dig what your saying but isn't Prince a fan of someone himself? Case in point: His James Brown boots. Can anyone say Payback?

BlissedAgain said:

No

i love prince's work and his creativity, but what is with the slave thing? i'm sorry, but yes, he is black, but he is also half white. Please don't call out racism on me, but i'm just logically thinking. Prince should consider taking his "white" half into context. maybe?

sorry

sexkitten04 said:

Not the mixed thing again. Prince is not half-white.

sexkitten04 said:

Not the mixed thing again. Prince is not half-white. Take his white side into context? WTF?

this is an ugly thread

namepeace said:

Alright 'peace... altho'I wouldn't consider accepting the inconsistencies, buying his stuff, and not getting so personally "invested" in what he does as "moving on", I see better what you mean now.

Btw, I used to be very much like you in the glory days. I know how it feels to feel the need to defend Prince against every little negative thing said about him and especially his music. Lucky for me I got of that trip of a long time ago, cuz I wouldn't dream of having to do that for his latest crapping.

I do wish the man would finally chill out and set out on what he started and promised: releasing all those Vault gems and concerts.

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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

He IS white. If his mother was white, and his father was black, that makes Prince half and half. So what's with the slave idea? If the blacks were slaves under white command, shouldn't he honor is white half too. I don't mean to criticize, and I'm sorry if I have offended anyone. I'm just wondering...

Abrazo said:

Yeah, maybe "dealing with it" is a better term.



Prince doesn't care what his fans think, simultaneously his greatest strength and his greatest weakness.



I am with you, but my guess is, like me, you are not holding your breath.

sexkitten04 said:

Not that I believe I'm having this discussion with you but, have you ever seen pics of P's mom? And let's not get into honoring any white half.

sexkitten04 said:

let us not go there, please...

sexkitten04 said:

violator said:

I love your avatar, violator!!

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

I'm not singing racism or prejude here, but have you ever seen Prince do an interview on Purple Rain. He casted a white woman as his mother for a reason! His whole life was what you seen in Purple Rain. I'm sorry, and I don't want to sound cocky, but you have a huge attitude for something you are not even clear on. I was just asking a question...

sexkitten04 said:

I have an attitude for something I'm not clear on? I am clear on the fact that Purple Rain is not an autobiography.

sexkitten04 said:

oh boooy...

sexkitten04 said:

not really