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Prince mention on NPR This is a little late but in case you missed it, there was a story on NPR last week about how the sale of Warner Music Group brings a definite end to the "artist-first" philosophy that once nurtured talented music acts:
http://www.npr.org/featur...Id=1576791 Prince is mentioned as an example of an artist whose career was supported by WB. Worth a listen... | |
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hisroyalbadnessfan8485 said: "use 2 support"
-the artist But nevertheless, supported. Prince would be doing oil changes at JiffyLube without the decade-plus of support that WB gave him. They indulged him until he became a big wimpering baby that cried if he didn't get his way. This, after giving them such joys as: The no-singles policy of ATWIAD (which they overruled him on); the release of "If I Was Your Girlfriend," which killed the sales momentum they had for SOTT; The Black Album debacle; The single track of "Lovesexy;" and the joy they must have taken in releasing such Paisley Park winners as Good Question and TC Ellis. They supported making him a multi-millionaire, and he screwed them at every turn. | |
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papabeat said: hisroyalbadnessfan8485 said: "use 2 support"
-the artist But nevertheless, supported. Prince would be doing oil changes at JiffyLube without the decade-plus of support that WB gave him. They indulged him until he became a big wimpering baby that cried if he didn't get his way. This, after giving them such joys as: The no-singles policy of ATWIAD (which they overruled him on); the release of "If I Was Your Girlfriend," which killed the sales momentum they had for SOTT; The Black Album debacle; The single track of "Lovesexy;" and the joy they must have taken in releasing such Paisley Park winners as Good Question and TC Ellis. They supported making him a multi-millionaire, and he screwed them at every turn. --- Put your crack pipe down!! According to Alan Leeds in DMSR WB never really supported Paisley Park records. He said he belived it was just a carrot that they dangled in front of Prince to keep him signed to the label. In addition, he has said that the label was really only a label on paper. Funny I kind of belived it was the fans who brought all those concerts tickets and records that made Prince a millionaire. | |
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laurarichardson said: papabeat said: hisroyalbadnessfan8485 said: "use 2 support"
-the artist But nevertheless, supported. Prince would be doing oil changes at JiffyLube without the decade-plus of support that WB gave him. They indulged him until he became a big wimpering baby that cried if he didn't get his way. This, after giving them such joys as: The no-singles policy of ATWIAD (which they overruled him on); the release of "If I Was Your Girlfriend," which killed the sales momentum they had for SOTT; The Black Album debacle; The single track of "Lovesexy;" and the joy they must have taken in releasing such Paisley Park winners as Good Question and TC Ellis. They supported making him a multi-millionaire, and he screwed them at every turn. --- Put your crack pipe down!! According to Alan Leeds in DMSR WB never really supported Paisley Park records. He said he belived it was just a carrot that they dangled in front of Prince to keep him signed to the label. In addition, he has said that the label was really only a label on paper. Funny I kind of belived it was the fans who brought all those concerts tickets and records that made Prince a millionaire. Artists don't make money directly from sales. Artists make money upfront from the label. The label then makes the money back from record sales. The artist must pay for all of the crew involved on the record, the studio time, the touring costs (unless supported by a sponsor, i.e. Pepsi, Coca Cola, MTV), etc. Prince was 18 years old and given co-producer credits on his first WB record. That is support like a mothafucka! WB put up with a lot of shit, right down to giving him a vanity label with which to blow millions! Prince signed those contracts willingly and out of greed. The industry is greedy, for sure, but Prince is part of that greedy industry. Just look at his music club. Prince has always had an ego the size of Jupiter and, in the end, it has ruined his commercial career. And please, before you say "Prince doesn't care about commercial success" take a look at his attempts at commercial success in the past few years. New Year's specials, signing with majors to get more support, a music club from which to gain more cash from loyal fans, interviews wherein all he speaks of is sales, ownership, money and finances (with some God thrown in for good measure). The man wants commercial success, as much as he protests otherwise. WB was the best thing that could have ever happened to Prince. Without them, we probably wouldn't even be here discussing such a brilliant artist...because nobody would even know about him. | |
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SassyBritches said: laurarichardson said: papabeat said: hisroyalbadnessfan8485 said: "use 2 support"
-the artist But nevertheless, supported. Prince would be doing oil changes at JiffyLube without the decade-plus of support that WB gave him. They indulged him until he became a big wimpering baby that cried if he didn't get his way. This, after giving them such joys as: The no-singles policy of ATWIAD (which they overruled him on); the release of "If I Was Your Girlfriend," which killed the sales momentum they had for SOTT; The Black Album debacle; The single track of "Lovesexy;" and the joy they must have taken in releasing such Paisley Park winners as Good Question and TC Ellis. They supported making him a multi-millionaire, and he screwed them at every turn. --- Put your crack pipe down!! According to Alan Leeds in DMSR WB never really supported Paisley Park records. He said he belived it was just a carrot that they dangled in front of Prince to keep him signed to the label. In addition, he has said that the label was really only a label on paper. Funny I kind of belived it was the fans who brought all those concerts tickets and records that made Prince a millionaire. Artists don't make money directly from sales. Artists make money upfront from the label. The label then makes the money back from record sales. The artist must pay for all of the crew involved on the record, the studio time, the touring costs (unless supported by a sponsor, i.e. Pepsi, Coca Cola, MTV), etc. Prince was 18 years old and given co-producer credits on his first WB record. That is support like a mothafucka! WB put up with a lot of shit, right down to giving him a vanity label with which to blow millions! Prince signed those contracts willingly and out of greed. The industry is greedy, for sure, but Prince is part of that greedy industry. Just look at his music club. Prince has always had an ego the size of Jupiter and, in the end, it has ruined his commercial career. And please, before you say "Prince doesn't care about commercial success" take a look at his attempts at commercial success in the past few years. New Year's specials, signing with majors to get more support, a music club from which to gain more cash from loyal fans, interviews wherein all he speaks of is sales, ownership, money and finances (with some God thrown in for good measure). The man wants commercial success, as much as he protests otherwise. WB was the best thing that could have ever happened to Prince. Without them, we probably wouldn't even be here discussing such a brilliant artist...because nobody would even know about him. --- You don't need to lecture me on how the music industry works.Artist make a lot of their money on the road. The record company does not give artist money up front. All of the money that goes into producing and promoting the record is recouped from the sales of the record. Unfortunatly, most artist will never know how many records they sold because record labels don't have to give an accounting to the artist. Use the internet to find out what Tom Petty or Courtney Love had to say about record industry contracts. Check out a book called HitMen that came out a few years ago if you want to find out how slimey the industry is. As far as support is concerning sure he received plenty until the Time/Warner merger. WB has a whole has been terriably mis-managed every since and Prince was just caught up in the business diaster. Prince doesn't care about commercial success" take a look at his attempts at commercial success in the past few years. New Year's specials, signing with majors to get more support, a music club from which to gain more cash from loyal fans, interviews wherein all he speaks of is sales, ownership, money and finances (with some God thrown in for good measure). The man wants commercial success, as much as he protests otherwise." I never said he did not want commercial success. He is a musician who would like to make a living playing music. In order to do that you need to tour and sell records. He could have stayed WB and things could have continued going downhill or he get out on own. He choose to get out on his own. I guess you would be happy if he never put a new record because he is not with a major label. | |
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laurarichardson said: SassyBritches said: laurarichardson said: papabeat said: hisroyalbadnessfan8485 said: "use 2 support"
-the artist But nevertheless, supported. Prince would be doing oil changes at JiffyLube without the decade-plus of support that WB gave him. They indulged him until he became a big wimpering baby that cried if he didn't get his way. This, after giving them such joys as: The no-singles policy of ATWIAD (which they overruled him on); the release of "If I Was Your Girlfriend," which killed the sales momentum they had for SOTT; The Black Album debacle; The single track of "Lovesexy;" and the joy they must have taken in releasing such Paisley Park winners as Good Question and TC Ellis. They supported making him a multi-millionaire, and he screwed them at every turn. --- Put your crack pipe down!! According to Alan Leeds in DMSR WB never really supported Paisley Park records. He said he belived it was just a carrot that they dangled in front of Prince to keep him signed to the label. In addition, he has said that the label was really only a label on paper. Funny I kind of belived it was the fans who brought all those concerts tickets and records that made Prince a millionaire. Artists don't make money directly from sales. Artists make money upfront from the label. The label then makes the money back from record sales. The artist must pay for all of the crew involved on the record, the studio time, the touring costs (unless supported by a sponsor, i.e. Pepsi, Coca Cola, MTV), etc. Prince was 18 years old and given co-producer credits on his first WB record. That is support like a mothafucka! WB put up with a lot of shit, right down to giving him a vanity label with which to blow millions! Prince signed those contracts willingly and out of greed. The industry is greedy, for sure, but Prince is part of that greedy industry. Just look at his music club. Prince has always had an ego the size of Jupiter and, in the end, it has ruined his commercial career. And please, before you say "Prince doesn't care about commercial success" take a look at his attempts at commercial success in the past few years. New Year's specials, signing with majors to get more support, a music club from which to gain more cash from loyal fans, interviews wherein all he speaks of is sales, ownership, money and finances (with some God thrown in for good measure). The man wants commercial success, as much as he protests otherwise. WB was the best thing that could have ever happened to Prince. Without them, we probably wouldn't even be here discussing such a brilliant artist...because nobody would even know about him. --- You don't need to lecture me on how the music industry works.Artist make a lot of their money on the road. The record company does not give artist money up front. All of the money that goes into producing and promoting the record is recouped from the sales of the record. Unfortunatly, most artist will never know how many records they sold because record labels don't have to give an accounting to the artist. Use the internet to find out what Tom Petty or Courtney Love had to say about record industry contracts. Check out a book called HitMen that came out a few years ago if you want to find out how slimey the industry is. As far as support is concerning sure he received plenty until the Time/Warner merger. WB has a whole has been terriably mis-managed every since and Prince was just caught up in the business diaster. Prince doesn't care about commercial success" take a look at his attempts at commercial success in the past few years. New Year's specials, signing with majors to get more support, a music club from which to gain more cash from loyal fans, interviews wherein all he speaks of is sales, ownership, money and finances (with some God thrown in for good measure). The man wants commercial success, as much as he protests otherwise." I never said he did not want commercial success. He is a musician who would like to make a living playing music. In order to do that you need to tour and sell records. He could have stayed WB and things could have continued going downhill or he get out on own. He choose to get out on his own. I guess you would be happy if he never put a new record because he is not with a major label. Love, I would be happy with most any Prince release, regardless of label affiliation (except for releases like NewPowerSoul). As for Time/Warner relationships...what about Madonna? They still support her. Let's see...Prince had problems with WB, he had problems with Arista...how long before he has problems with Universal Music Group? He was a millionaire with "slave" written on his face. Yeah, because all slaves had the opportunity to sign into slavery. Make bad deals, suffer the consequences. Prince needs to grow up and stop whinging about the same old tired bullocks. The music business is just that...business. All you "fams" that stick up for all he says and does should pull your heads out of your asses and recognize. A brilliant musician, yes. Anything else is up for question. | |
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SassyBritches said: The music business is just that...business.
Not any more. Through my work I have 2 deal with some of the major labels and let me tell u, they're in a shoddy state of mismanagement, inefficency, bad-budgeting and foolish policy. Under a modern day major, Prince would probably have been dropped after "For You" was not a hit and definitely dropped after "Prince" was not a smash. They constantly change staff all the time and no-one knows what is going on. I've also heard tales from a friend who worked for  for a while that the staff who worked there were taking more drugs than any of the artists, and this was in the office!
It's no wonder that so many of them are in trouble! What I think you'll see happen over the next 2 decades, is some of the present majors crash & burn (or rather simply get closed/asset stripped by their parent companies) and some of the current, succesful indies grow into majors. Some of the English indies that were born in the late 70's are not far off being major labels now. I'm thinking particularly of Mute Records and Beggars Banquet who are both doing very well. They've got very varied, very prestigous rosters and many of their acts like Depeche Mode, Moby, Basement Jaxx & The Prodigy have all been headhunted unsuccesfuly by the majors. What do you think? "You know, you're the classic example of the inverse ratio between the size of the mouth and the size of the brain" | |
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